Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 395

On April 14 2025 19:55 stilt wrote:


Kwark the negationnist trying to take the morale highground is pretty ironic. Considering your constant justification of the ongoing genocide and of past israeli actions, you should keep quiet.
And GH is totally right, the scalping practice was instrumentalyzed in order to justify the genocide of the indians. Do I think scalping corpses is bad ? Or rape is bad ? Yeah but what Israel is doing (or what america did) is a whole other dimension.
Just like the shoah per bullet was presented by the nazi as anti partisan action.
No doubt at this point you would have been one of them and portrayed the soviet resistance as terrorists while million of jews get shot at.

On April 14 2025 23:22 Billyboy wrote:
Hell what Israel is doing is what some people are calling for to happen to 'Fascists". The scary sad part is how not unique it is. That they have this power imbalance and didn't do something this awful or way worse sooner is maybe unique.

On April 15 2025 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:

I don't think anyone's calling for deaths of thousands of random people which they can then lie about and pretend they were fascists tbh.

On April 14 2025 23:22 KwarK wrote:

Actually no, you would have been one of the members of the Einsatzgruppen and I would have been a super ripped guy with great hair and a sexy Canadian girlfriend making me the winner in this debate. Also you would have been ugly and dumb.

You're clearly very new at the art of debate.

"I imagine you as a Nazi which makes you in the wrong" is a strong first attempt but you forgot to imagine any positive attributes for yourself which left you open to my devastating response. There's no coming back from that, I won.

On April 14 2025 23:22 Billyboy wrote:

You didn't need justification back in that time period. Geocoding, slave trade and so on were just common practice. Bow down to power or die. What Israel has done is awful, but it is in no way unique. Look just next door in Syria and in all sorts of pockets in the middle east. Same with many spots in Africa. Same with Ukraine. What is unique is how politicized it is, and how much attention it gets.

Hell what Israel is doing is what some people are calling for to happen to 'Fascists". The scary sad part is how not unique it is. That they have this power imbalance and didn't do something this awful or way worse sooner is maybe unique.

On April 16 2025 03:58 stilt wrote:


Listen kwark the negationnist, you can't name a single scholar about this conflict, you don't know its history or colonial history.

And not only you're extremely ignorant and proud of it, but you can't even comprehend your poor logic of justification of a genocide. Tbf, considering your previous posts, you're just able to reason with "good guys, bad guys" right ? And you think I am debating with that ?

So clueless, I am just admonishing you.

On April 16 2025 04:06 KwarK wrote:

Not only are you debating with it, you're losing the debate, and badly.

On April 16 2025 04:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Looks like KwarK wins again

On April 16 2025 04:06 KwarK wrote:

Not only are you debating with it, you're losing the debate, and badly.

On April 16 2025 04:15 stilt wrote:


Dude, this is not a debate. And it can't be because you don't bring any substantial things to debate with.
I can debate with billyboy because even if I disagree with him cuz he brings some facts and can follow a reasonning but you can't.

What we're doing is just arguing.

On April 16 2025 04:13 KwarK wrote:

Nice to see you here GH. Thanks for your support. You still making up quotes and ascribing them to other people as your main form of debate? I've learned a trick or two from you.

On April 16 2025 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
I've come to see that I was wrong about everything and that my activism is a fucking joke. While the problems in America are serious the idea that anything I was doing was making any kind of difference is, in retrospect, equal parts funny and depressing.

On April 16 2025 04:05 stilt wrote:


Slavery was heavely justified, every system has his own justification. From the Valladolid debate to today, every exploitive system finds justification, the colonization was about superior race and civilization. Today hasn't change much if you're listenning vance or netanyahu.

And not that's unique indeed, the us did the same to the natives.
The french try the same in Algeria but couldn't succeed thanks to logistical reason.
And it's not about crushing fascim but people. It's not me who are saying that, but the israeli one, the people and their governents.

Among the myriad of quotes, the one by smotrich, the minister of finance, right at the announce of the truce is the most telling : "Gaza is destroyed and disintegrated, uninhabitable, and it will remain that way. Do not be impressed by the forced joy of our enemies, this is an animal society that sanctifies death and dances on the ruins of its life. Very soon, we will erase their smile again and replace it with cries of grief and the wails of those who were left with nothing."

It's not against hamas but against the whole population.

On April 16 2025 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:

You realize I didn't make up the quote that I included the full text and linked the original of, or have you completely lost touch with reality?

On April 16 2025 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:

You realize I didn't make up the quote that I included the full text and linked the original of, or have you completely lost touch with reality?

On April 16 2025 06:06 BlackJack wrote:


Except the quoted text is not what you ascribed him saying. He said "America is getting better." You said he said "Trump winning the election is a sign America is getting better." It's not even close to the same thing. He even explained your error in his next post.

This pisses me off because it's an incredibly simple point to understand. It's a "two steps forward one step back" kind of thing. An 8 year old could understand this point. It doesn't mean every step is in the right direction but in the long run you're moving in the right direction. The only reason to misunderstand this is through ignorance or malice, so take your pick.

This happens way to often on this forum (usually to me tbh). No matter how obvious the misinterpretation is more people will jump in and agree with the uncharitable interpretation just to win internet arguments, I guess. But the one person that I never see doing this is Kwark. Maybe he just grasps the English language better than most people here. We often disagree but the one thing I can be sure if I'm arguing with him is that the disagreement will be an ideological one and not because he has done a shit job at understanding my point.

On March 26 2025 08:10 KwarK wrote:
Blackjack isn’t arguing that it wasn’t a Nazi salute, he’s clear that it was. He’s arguing for the sake of arguing. His point is that it’s possible for someone, but not him, to be really bad at identifying salutes or something and for that person, who isn’t him, to be confused. You’ve got to remember that blackjack’s posts are essentially meaningless.

On April 16 2025 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:


I suspect the reason why this happens to you a lot is because people expect other people in general to post with some sort of objective in mind. Like, we're in this context in which Trump is fucking everything up, and the large majority of your posting is still about how Democrats are slightly unfair in their Trump criticism when it comes to this point of detail or that point of detail, or how there's this DEI scandal about some woke thing somewhere; the natural inclination for a lot of people is that you must be doing it for a reason, and then they search for that reason. Is it because you support this, or that; they're trying to figure it out. Drone made a good point yesterday that you were probably not doing it with an objective, that you were just nitpicking for the sake of it, and that made sense to me. I would then add that you've spent so long on team "Democrats are bad" and it feels comfortable to continue being on that team no matter what happens now. But I could be wrong too! There's no way to tell, really. Or as someone who grasps the English language better than most people once said,

On April 16 2025 07:57 BlackJack wrote:


In general, yes. If you saw an isolated comment on Reddit of someone challenging claims like "there are no upsides to tariffs" or "there is zero risk of adverse events from the COVID vaccine" then 9 times out of 10 that person is going to be someone that supports Trump's tariffs or opposes taking the COVID vaccine so you can make some assumptions about positions they hold. But surely you see how incredibly stupid it is to think that Kwark, of all people, is making the point that Trump getting elected is a sign that America is getting better. It's even more stupid when he immediately clarifies what he meant and instead of being like "oh okay" to be like "nah... bro... no take backsies." Making the faulty assumptions is one thing. Doubling down on the faulty assumptions after they've clarified their statement is a whole other ballgame.

On April 16 2025 08:07 Nebuchad wrote:


Sure yeah that makes sense (except the part about thinking that America is getting better).

The US has had some real monsters in charge. Plus that time it broke into two countries because half of them wanted to own people.

On April 16 2025 08:37 KwarK wrote:

Wait, what?

What I originally said was that America had gotten better since the days of the Confederacy. That was the specific example I used.

GH misquoted that to pretend I said that Trump was preferable to Hillary when in fact I was saying that Trump was preferable to the Confederacy.

But now that all the misquotes have been cleared up at exhausting length and it's clear that this is just an outright statement of preference between Trump and the Confederacy you're landing on team Confederacy. That's a weird take boy.