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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
On April 26 2026 01:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I hope you get better and then flood the forums with 87 bazillion posts. Thanks JJR Me too! Of course 87 bazillion is just your average small game of mafia on here. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1835 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/netanyahu-orders-israeli-army-seize-70-gaza-strip-violating-ceasefire-deal The goal, well, as always, it's stated as "squeezing Hamas", but his defense minister was a bit more explicit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/israels-defence-minister-says-large-scale-palestinian-migration-from-gaza-will-go-ahead “We committed that Hamas will not rule Gaza civilly or militarily, and so it shall be, and also the voluntary emigration plan from Gaza will be implemented,” he said in a social media post. “Everything at the right timing and in the right manner.” So, more of very explicitly ethnic cleansing rhetoric, at this point it's par for the course. I'd say "we told you so" but I'm sure that the resident fans of what Israel is doing will find ways to spin this into "Israel has the right to defend itself", somehow. | ||
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Billyboy
2599 Posts
The only one who seems to notice is Lebanons leader who has told Iran it’s not their country but Iran doesn’t care. The whole region would be better off if Israel and Iran just actually fought each other instead of proxy wars. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4457 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/20/israeli-strikes-southern-lebanon-reports-renewed-ceasefire | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12589 Posts
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Billyboy
2599 Posts
If I’m being optimistic, I’ve read Hamas was pissed that Iran included Hezbollah in their ceasefire requirements and not them. So they are pulling away from Iran. I’m not confident this will age well, even for the weekend. But it’s a good announcement I guess?!? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1835 Posts
Hamas says it has agreed to a deal aimed at fully ending Israel’s war on Gaza, including making provisions to disarm and surrender its weapons in stages. Under the agreement, Israel must withdraw its forces over a period of time. Source here. Generally, any time anything was done in stages and was sponsored by Trump it's been not really respected, by either side, with both of them blaming each other. Factually, reasons for skepticism are known, first, this is done by Trump / Board of peace which is basically a joke. Second, due to this being done in stages, any of those can be broken at any point by either side. Third, I don't see Israel retreating, to me it's pretty obvious that the end goal of Israel is expansionism and I really doubt that they will give up any territory they currently occupy. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1835 Posts
With the ongoing ceasefire in Gaza, IDF has already killed more then 1000 people. The actions of Israel in Gaza and West bank since October 7th have resulted in more then 70.000 dead Palestinians, around 30 % of which were children, and this is by very conservative estimates. For reference, in a much longer period of Russia intentionally targeting civilian infrastructure they killed way less civilians, around 16.000. I guess the only thing I want to say is that I sincerely hope Nethyanahu meets his fate in a similar way to Mladić, I know it's very unlikely but I hope that justice will prevail. | ||
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dyhb
United States817 Posts
But keep displaying the foolishness for all to see. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1835 Posts
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dyhb
United States817 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1835 Posts
The statistics also speak for themselves and no amount of pedantry over "different type of war" can justify 20.000 + dead children (and counting). | ||
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dyhb
United States817 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
Its like putting 5000 innocent people in a prison with 5 criminals and then complaining that you can't flatten it with bombs because the criminals are using the innocents as human shields. Then bombing the shit out of it anyway. | ||
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dyhb
United States817 Posts
On August 28 2026 02:37 Jockmcplop wrote: Naturally, Israel forced Palestinians to not accept peace agreements and not live with a ceasefire, since that follows the same logic as Israel forcing Gazans to live in Gaza. Almost every decade had an opportunity to live at peace with more land, but the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.It always gets my brain working when I see people defend the fact that Israel bombs the shit out of innocent families by using the 'human shield' argument when Israel are the ones who forced millions of people to live in a tiny area in the first place. Its like putting 5000 innocent people in a prison with 5 criminals and then complaining that you can't flatten it with bombs because the criminals are using the innocents as human shields. Then bombing the shit out of it anyway. The October 7th attacks and the killing, raping, and kidnapping must be freebies, because war in Gaza against Hamas would be unconscionable with the dense urban environment and predictable levels of civilian casualties. Hamas holds the trump card. Why pretend otherwise? You have great arguments for why Hamas would be stupid to start a major war with Israel. I wish that they showed a little humanity to the population they ruled, but they believe them all to be potential martyrs for the greater cause, and useful propaganda to feed to people (like you). That was the deliberate calculation behind the attacks, and the tunnels, and the lack of laying down arms and surrendering. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
On August 28 2026 02:37 Jockmcplop wrote: Its like putting 5000 innocent people in a prison with 5 criminals and then complaining that you can't flatten it with bombs because the criminals are using the innocents as human shields. Then bombing the shit out of it anyway. And then saying "Well we didn't FORCE those 5 criminals to commit their crimes" as an excuse for killing the 5000 innocent people. | ||
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dyhb
United States817 Posts
On August 28 2026 03:17 Jockmcplop wrote: The October 7th attacks and the killing, raping, and kidnapping must be freebies, because war in Gaza against Hamas would be unconscionable with the dense urban environment and predictable levels of civilian casualties. Hamas holds the trump card. Why pretend otherwise?And then saying "Well we didn't FORCE those 5 criminals to commit their crimes" as an excuse for killing the 5000 innocent people. This is a full-throated endorsement of the Hamas strategy. A bunch of Jews will die, and a bunch of Jockmcplops will say the civilian costs of counterattacking Hamas mean your hands are tied. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1835 Posts
This argument might have held up until about a year from October 7th, after they took out most of Hamas, including the architect and military leader Sinwar everything else is a mix of collective punishment and genocide. But, of course, expecting someone justifying blowing up 8 and 11 year olds for walking near an imaginary line to accept and understand that there are lines that can't be crossed without losing your humanity is probably too much. Especially an absolute raging Islamophobe who would rather have unrestrained Trump and his Republican cronies for 2 more years then cast a hypothetical vote for a Muslim. | ||
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Billyboy
2599 Posts
On August 28 2026 04:30 dyhb wrote: The October 7th attacks and the killing, raping, and kidnapping must be freebies, because war in Gaza against Hamas would be unconscionable with the dense urban environment and predictable levels of civilian casualties. Hamas holds the trump card. Why pretend otherwise? This is a full-throated endorsement of the Hamas strategy. A bunch of Jews will die, and a bunch of Jockmcplops will say the civilian costs of counterattacking Hamas mean your hands are tied. He’s right though. A bunch of Jews die, then a bunch more Palestinians die and then the cycle repeats itself. And the decision makers on both sides are aware and willing to pay that price as long as it helps them. Do you think Israel’s bombing or Hamas is going to work? I don’t. The leaders, including the ones outside of Gaza and Israel all should be held accountable. So much pointless suffering. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12589 Posts
On August 28 2026 00:05 dyhb wrote: If we just pretend that Ukraine is a super densely populated urban battlefield like the Gaza Strip, I'm sure all kinds of statistics are shocking. And also pretend that Zelensky deliberately conceals his military among and beneath civilian infrastructure, and threatens said human shields with gunfire should they try to leave. But keep displaying the foolishness for all to see. Any opinion on why the vast majority of genocide scholars and a bunch of human rights organizations and United Nations representatives agree with Jankisa and not you? | ||
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