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On September 26 2025 04:49 LightSpectra wrote: My position on right-wing violence: Let's fix this. Let's implement universal healthcare that includes therapy and psychiatry, reasonable gun control, and allocate more resources to prevent online radicalization.
If left-wing violence was more common, my position would be: Let's fix this. Let's implement universal healthcare that includes therapy and psychiatry, reasonable gun control, and allocate more resources to prevent online radicalization.
The vast majority of people of any political allegiance are not violent, so collective blame is entirely pointless.
Unless the point of collective blame was shameless political gain.
Yeah, it's honestly astonishing that we're not having a debate on how to reduce terrorism and political violence, but rather which side is worse, just because right-wingers can't deal with reality. They're the "facts, not feelings" crowd until it's very inconvenient for them to care about facts. And why is it so inconvenient? Do they condone the political violence? Or is it that they want to change the history books regarding which side is more violent? What is their motivation? The motivation doesn't seem to be to save lives, but much rather that their political reputation is at stake.
On September 26 2025 00:42 Jankisa wrote: Did you read the article?
I am all for US government trying to address the male loneliness epidemic, mental health crisis, online radicalization, social media and other issues that cause these folks to go off the rails, unfortunately, you and them aren't interested in that.
And yes, it's a pattern, it's been a pattern since at least the Christchurch shooter, these people don't have a cohesive political identity or ideas, they are agents of chaos and that's what they try to do.
To you, they are useful because you want to be violent to "others". Be it immigrants, leftists, trans people, black people because you are a fascist boot licker.
The other thing that you clearly don't understand that the left's, especially liberal ideology is almost exclusively non violent. This is not something you can understand because it's beyond your limited comprehension of the world.
Hope this explains it for you sufficiently.
You desperately need a reintroduction to politics if you believe the US government needs to address the male loneliness epidemic in Christchurch, New Zealand.
If you want to define the left as non-violent, so any violence that exists is automatically not leftist, you can. Do you think that's going to fool adults?
The truth is it needs to be quite a bit more "almost."
The last month: Kirk assassinated, attempted bombing of Fox news van,Democrat lobbyist shot up an ABC in California. Massacre of Catholic children. Another attack on ICE. "Another?" Yeah, remember the Darwin award winner a few months ago who was working with an antifa cell that threw smoke bombs fireworks to lure federal agents out and ambush them, and then got wasted? Remember the 2nd Trump assassin that just tried to stick a pen in his jugular after being found guilty? Remember the 1st assassin? Remember the mob outside Kavanaugh's house? Intimidating a judge is a federal crime. Who was charged for that? Remember the Summer of Love and attack on the White House? The mass shooting of Congresspeople? You know someone instrumental in the Capitol bombing was made a professor?
This is not like the weather, oh it's lightning striking nobody could have predicted it.
This is a pattern of stochastic terrorism driven by politicians and media figures who constantly urge it with dogwhistles, say "oops violence is bad" after it happens for plausible deniability, and then restart the whole gaslighting process. I don't care 300 or 400 public figures stamped there "violence is bad" card before saying "yeah but they're all still Nazis and it's their fault if this happens again if they don't stop being Nazis." I care about their millions of unhinged followers, some of whom are actually American residents or even citizens, who hear loud and clear and know exactly what the game is. They may need some kind of reeducation or a red flag of their gun rights before this keeps happening.
Alternative is the Yvette Clarkes and Barack Obamas of the world can switch gears and revise their statements. Instead of "Yeah I guess it's not great that Kirk was murdered during a public conversation, but we should still be able to disagree with him," come out and say "Every single one of you, calm down, grow up, stop attacking people, and we will give you a free electric car and social worker for every credible threat of violence you report." That'd be leadership.
All good points but I'd like to add that remember when the judge overseeing ghislaine maxwell's case had her entire family murdered and the assassin then offend himself and the media never talked about it? Remember when epstein totally didn't kill himself, the media said he did, and then all the footage we got was probably doctored?
Conspiracy does exist, and only for the objectives of the rich, powerful, and government. You were made to remember the name Dylan roof, but nobody remembers Stephen paddock.
On September 26 2025 00:42 Jankisa wrote: Did you read the article?
I am all for US government trying to address the male loneliness epidemic, mental health crisis, online radicalization, social media and other issues that cause these folks to go off the rails, unfortunately, you and them aren't interested in that.
And yes, it's a pattern, it's been a pattern since at least the Christchurch shooter, these people don't have a cohesive political identity or ideas, they are agents of chaos and that's what they try to do.
To you, they are useful because you want to be violent to "others". Be it immigrants, leftists, trans people, black people because you are a fascist boot licker.
The other thing that you clearly don't understand that the left's, especially liberal ideology is almost exclusively non violent. This is not something you can understand because it's beyond your limited comprehension of the world.
Hope this explains it for you sufficiently.
This is a pattern of stochastic terrorism driven by politicians and media figures who constantly urge it with dogwhistles, say "oops violence is bad" after it happens for plausible deniability, and then restart the whole gaslighting process. I don't care 300 or 400 public figures stamped there "violence is bad" card before saying "yeah but they're all still Nazis and it's their fault if this happens again if they don't stop being Nazis." I care about their millions of unhinged followers, some of whom are actually American residents or even citizens, who hear loud and clear and know exactly what the game is. They may need some kind of reeducation or a red flag of their gun rights before this keeps happening.
Alternative is the Yvette Clarkes and Barack Obamas of the world can switch gears and revise their statements. Instead of "Yeah I guess it's not great that Kirk was murdered during a public conversation, but we should still be able to disagree with him," come out and say "Every single one of you, calm down, grow up, stop attacking people, and we will give you a free electric car and social worker for every credible threat of violence you report." That'd be leadership.
Blaming the left for stochastic terrorism, when even the president of the US has refused to condemn any right wing violence is laughable. Literally all of the democratic establishment has constantly been asking for people to not do assassinations and political violence. Meanwhile republicans are cheering for civil war. The gaslighting is insane.
Notice the brazen equivocation.
"Republicans" are cheering for civil war, who? What happened to "establishment?"
The words of the "Democratic establishment" are a charade if that's all they do after radicalizing, intentionally or not, millions of people into celebrating death. Denounce isn't enough, they have to reverse what they messed up.
Why'd you say "Democratic establishment" but not "Republican establishment?" Did you erase it because you know it wouldn't be true? Then who are the Republicans? Random people, right? Republicans I see are cheering "Stop shooting people, you idiots, because Republicans always win civil wars when you push them to it." I did see Andrew Tate call for civil war. I don't know his party registration, he might be a Republican until his due deportation.
"Charlie Kirk didnt hate his enemies, i do" - Donald Trump “We will prove worthy of your time on earth. We will make you proud. We will finish the job. We will defeat the forces of darkness and evil.” - Stephen Miller
This *is* the republican establishment saying out loud they hate their enemies (the democrats) and need to fight them.
I simply forgot to write "the republican establishment" because i was focusing on other stuff while writing. But sure, keep putting words in my mouth oBlade. I see you ignored my last post responding to you, so i doin't expect an answer here either, oBlade. Did i say "oBlade" enough times for your liking, oBlade?
On September 26 2025 04:49 LightSpectra wrote: My position on right-wing violence: Let's fix this. Let's implement universal healthcare that includes therapy and psychiatry, reasonable gun control, and allocate more resources to prevent online radicalization.
If left-wing violence was more common, my position would be: Let's fix this. Let's implement universal healthcare that includes therapy and psychiatry, reasonable gun control, and allocate more resources to prevent online radicalization.
The vast majority of people of any political allegiance are not violent, so collective blame is entirely pointless.
Unless the point of collective blame was shameless political gain.
Yeah, it's honestly astonishing that we're not having a debate on how to reduce terrorism and political violence, but rather which side is worse, just because right-wingers can't deal with reality. They're the "facts, not feelings" crowd until it's very inconvenient for them to care about facts. And why is it so inconvenient? Do they condone the political violence? Or is it that they want to change the history books regarding which side is more violent? What is their motivation? The motivation doesn't seem to be to save lives, but much rather that their political reputation is at stake.
Theyve never cared about facts. Its always feelings.
I still remember Newt Gingrich on fox news talking about how the crime stats dont matter and that even though crime stats were way down people didnt feel that and the feeling of high crime was pervasive. Of fucking course people who watch fox news would think that because thats all fox would report on. Statistics be damned.
On September 26 2025 04:28 oBlade wrote: Also see other crimes, like assault and murder and vandalism. Take for example a guy who beats up a stranger for appearing Hispanic. This is obviously a racist hate crime, so we can record it as such - far right violence. Now take a graduate student who assaults an Indian wearing the wrong politics hat. Oops, don't record that one, it doesn't count. In fact, let's record it as far-right also since the victim was a racial minority, so it must be racist, and racism is right-wing.
If I'm understanding correctly you just invented this methodology which you're now upset about. It's not clear why you invented it but you've managed to be victimized by it so I guess job done.
On September 26 2025 04:28 oBlade wrote: if there's even a single instance of far-left antisemitism, etc.
This is an interesting approach to research. If I'm understanding correctly you're proposing comparing the statistics to your conclusion and if the statistics do not align with your conclusion then you're going to present that as proof that the statistics are invalid. It's certainly one way to go about it.
That's the nice thing about that method. You start with a conclusion, and then when the stats don't align with that, you have multiple ways of dealing with it.
You can, for example, fire the people doing the statistical research and attempt to replace them with ones that deliver the correct results. That seems to be the Donald Trump approach.
Or you can claim that the results are clearly fake and make up reasons why they are, then never bother to check if those things you think might be problems are actually things that are problems with the statistics. That is what you need to do when you don't have enough power to replace the people doing the statistics.
I mean this isn't even photoshopped. If you want more evidence of republicans cheering for civil war we can get that but its a deep hole to dig into. Calling for the elimination of transgenderism isn't even a surprise anymore.
I mean this isn't even photoshopped. If you want more evidence of republicans cheering for civil war we can get that but its a deep hole to dig into. Calling for the elimination of transgenderism isn't even a surprise anymore.
Trump sat in the whitehouse today with Erdogan, started going off on rigged elections as he is wont to do. Pointed at Erdogan, and said ‘this guy knows about rigged elections better than anybody.’
crazy shit. this one’s pretty hilarious though. but can you imagine? LOL. i’m baffled that nobody in that room laughed.
On September 26 2025 06:34 brian wrote: Trump sat in the whitehouse today with Erdogan, started going off on rigged elections as he is wont to do. Pointed at Erdogan, and said ‘this guy knows about rigged elections better than anybody.’
crazy shit. this one’s pretty hilarious though. but can you imagine? LOL.
Has he ever had anything nice to say about a non-autocrat? He glazed Vlad, Viktor, Erdogan, Jong-un, Modi, and more, and he's completely blasted every leader the UK, Germany, France, Canada, etc have had while he was in power. Anyone who thinks he's not going to stick around for a third term if he's still alive and healthy is kidding themselves. He openly praises these people. He would probably have high praise for the CIA-installed dictators in Central and South America if they were still in power. Sure, the average person can still say what they want, but can the media? Can anyone with reach or designs on governance or candidacy? People talk openly of redistricting to disenfranchise their ideological opponents, and none of the republicans who went to law school, have studied the constitution, or historical precedent are making a peep. He's already incited mobs to storm the capital to maintain his grip on power, and pardoned those who did, making martyrs of those who died in such a pursuit.
Future anthropologists are going to be writing dissertations on how social media and the attention economy // post-truth era favor this sort of simplistic, feel-good talk governance. An entire era defined by "my source is I made it the fuck up." I'm beyond despair.
I mean this isn't even photoshopped. If you want more evidence of republicans cheering for civil war we can get that but its a deep hole to dig into. Calling for the elimination of transgenderism isn't even a surprise anymore.
That's a real photo? Why would they write that?
The FBI was going to start taking seriously the growing phenomenon that school boards and other public officals were receiving threats against their life. It was posited that If a school board member was killed due to a threat against their life for making kids get vaccinated that it would be domestic terrorism.
Instead of telling people "hey you can disagree at school board meetings and civic engagement is good but please don't threaten the lives of politicians," they went "naw we're all domestic terrorists now everyone go forth and terrorize".
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