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On October 03 2025 01:39 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2025 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Razyda saying "conservatives are your Jews" is wild. What gets me is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is wrong with the Holocaust. They literally don't get why it is bad. The Nazis asserted that Jews were poisoning the nation and, if left unchecked, would destroy the German people. They asserted that by fighting the Jews they were really acting legitimately and legally in self defence. The critical issue with their assertion is that they made the whole thing up. Jews weren't destroying Germany, Nazis were destroying Germany and blaming Jews. It's like a guilty man insisting that his incarceration is basically the same as Nelson Mandela's. The comparison works as long as you have absolutely no understanding of why it was wrong to imprison Nelson Mandela.
I actually think the Holocaust is bad whether or not the Nazis had been right (which they thought they were) instead of having made the whole thing up.
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United States43979 Posts
On October 03 2025 01:53 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:39 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Razyda saying "conservatives are your Jews" is wild. What gets me is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is wrong with the Holocaust. They literally don't get why it is bad. The Nazis asserted that Jews were poisoning the nation and, if left unchecked, would destroy the German people. They asserted that by fighting the Jews they were really acting legitimately and legally in self defence. The critical issue with their assertion is that they made the whole thing up. Jews weren't destroying Germany, Nazis were destroying Germany and blaming Jews. It's like a guilty man insisting that his incarceration is basically the same as Nelson Mandela's. The comparison works as long as you have absolutely no understanding of why it was wrong to imprison Nelson Mandela. I actually think the Holocaust is bad whether or not the Nazis had been right (which they thought they were) instead of having made the whole thing up.
I don't think you even think it was bad bud. You're on the k-pop gesture train.
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On October 03 2025 01:40 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. I know a few right-wing LGBTQ people. Almost all of them believe in severe misinformation because they rely on youtubers for their news instead of real journalism. Some of them get genuinely distressed when they realize they're being manipulated, others double down on it and think they're smarter than everyone else. Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. If I'm understanding correctly, the moment the very first liberal said Trump was a fascist, all political violence from that point onward would forever be the left's fault? Is that right? We're going to forever escalate to more and more violence and it will always be the left's fault because we started it?
You dont, calling somebody fascist doesnt justify political violence, it does justify however being called fascist in return.
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Northern Ireland26776 Posts
On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. In other words you support minorities, unless they happen to have different political opinion than you, in which case they are drooling morons. Thats very... not surprising.
If a sizeable cohort of the population, and the media in the UK were just outright making stuff up about Polish people, to justify a position that all Polish people should be expelled from Britain, would you be alright with that?
Or would you maybe have an issue on account of people just making stuff up, and it negatively impacting you?
Which, in reality is the concern of many people who ‘hate free speech’ across numerous topics. It’s not silencing uncomfortable truths, it’s outright disinformation.
In an ideal world, ‘hey everyone says what they want and the collective figured out what is good information’, sure, have at it. I think we currently see that isn’t how it actually works. So what do you do about it?
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On October 02 2025 22:50 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:10 Uldridge wrote:
What do you think the classifier Liberal means? At this point in time I would say: Very Liberal - people who openly celebrated Kirk death, Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause, and they themselves are therefore not to blame (There is shred of sanity remaining in them, which makes them somewhat uncomfortable with saying murder is good, not enough though to admit that they may be partially responsible. End of the day they are the good guys, so cant do anything morally wrong) You’re allowed to say no bud. You don’t have to literally show us that you don’t understand what it means. I think answer displays to everyone here that this person should not be taken seriously, even if that already was more or less the case. Just lacking any substance whatsoever.
I'm not really arguing with you, but he is very representative of that group of people. Also, from what I can tell he authentically believes what he writes. So if you want to talk to someone that supports MAGA, and MAGAish things, then he's your guy. You are not going to find better, my experience (which is lengthy) is this is what you get.
On October 03 2025 01:53 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:39 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Razyda saying "conservatives are your Jews" is wild. What gets me is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is wrong with the Holocaust. They literally don't get why it is bad. The Nazis asserted that Jews were poisoning the nation and, if left unchecked, would destroy the German people. They asserted that by fighting the Jews they were really acting legitimately and legally in self defence. The critical issue with their assertion is that they made the whole thing up. Jews weren't destroying Germany, Nazis were destroying Germany and blaming Jews. It's like a guilty man insisting that his incarceration is basically the same as Nelson Mandela's. The comparison works as long as you have absolutely no understanding of why it was wrong to imprison Nelson Mandela. I actually think the Holocaust is bad whether or not the Nazis had been right (which they thought they were) instead of having made the whole thing up.
I'm guessing this is why you are so upset with the inhumane condition that the illegals ICE are rounding up are kept in. Because even if they are illegal they still deserve respect and human dignity, right?
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On October 03 2025 02:10 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:40 LightSpectra wrote:On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. I know a few right-wing LGBTQ people. Almost all of them believe in severe misinformation because they rely on youtubers for their news instead of real journalism. Some of them get genuinely distressed when they realize they're being manipulated, others double down on it and think they're smarter than everyone else. On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. If I'm understanding correctly, the moment the very first liberal said Trump was a fascist, all political violence from that point onward would forever be the left's fault? Is that right? We're going to forever escalate to more and more violence and it will always be the left's fault because we started it? You dont, calling somebody fascist doesnt justify political violence, it does justify however being called fascist in return.
Which of these 16 points do you think do not apply, and which of the ones that do not apply do you find offensive?
1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible”
leader who never admits mistakes.
2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies.
3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood.
4. White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat.
Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.
5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.
6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority
group leaders.
7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective
collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.
8. Rampant sexism.
9. Control of mass media and undermining “truth”.
10. Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.
11. Religion and government are intertwined.
12. Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed.
13. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.
14. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence.
15. Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state.
16. Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.
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On October 03 2025 02:10 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:40 LightSpectra wrote:On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. I know a few right-wing LGBTQ people. Almost all of them believe in severe misinformation because they rely on youtubers for their news instead of real journalism. Some of them get genuinely distressed when they realize they're being manipulated, others double down on it and think they're smarter than everyone else. On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. If I'm understanding correctly, the moment the very first liberal said Trump was a fascist, all political violence from that point onward would forever be the left's fault? Is that right? We're going to forever escalate to more and more violence and it will always be the left's fault because we started it? You dont, calling somebody fascist doesnt justify political violence, it does justify however being called fascist in return.
OK, so if someone said the following:
"We will demolish the deep state. We will expel the warmongers from our government. We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists and fascists. And we will throw off the sick political class that hates our country"
it would be justified to retaliate by calling them a fascist, right?
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On October 03 2025 02:22 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:10 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 01:40 LightSpectra wrote:On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. I know a few right-wing LGBTQ people. Almost all of them believe in severe misinformation because they rely on youtubers for their news instead of real journalism. Some of them get genuinely distressed when they realize they're being manipulated, others double down on it and think they're smarter than everyone else. On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. If I'm understanding correctly, the moment the very first liberal said Trump was a fascist, all political violence from that point onward would forever be the left's fault? Is that right? We're going to forever escalate to more and more violence and it will always be the left's fault because we started it? You dont, calling somebody fascist doesnt justify political violence, it does justify however being called fascist in return. Which of these 16 points do you think do not apply, and which of the ones that do not apply do you find offensive? 1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes. 2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies. 3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood. 4. White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious. 5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation. 6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders. 7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”. 8. Rampant sexism. 9. Control of mass media and undermining “truth”. 10. Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack. 11. Religion and government are intertwined. 12. Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed. 13. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative. 14. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence. 15. Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state. 16. Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.
A few weeks ago I gave the US administration a 75-81% match based on this exact list. This time around I'm arriving at 81-85%
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On October 03 2025 02:15 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. In other words you support minorities, unless they happen to have different political opinion than you, in which case they are drooling morons. Thats very... not surprising. If a sizeable cohort of the population, and the media in the UK were just outright making stuff up about Polish people, to justify a position that all Polish people should be expelled from Britain, would you be alright with that? Or would you maybe have an issue on account of people just making stuff up, and it negatively impacting you? Which, in reality is the concern of many people who ‘hate free speech’ across numerous topics. It’s not silencing uncomfortable truths, it’s outright disinformation. In an ideal world, ‘hey everyone says what they want and the collective figured out what is good information’, sure, have at it. I think we currently see that isn’t how it actually works. So what do you do about it?
No I wouldnt. What I would do however is argue their points, rather than trying to silence them. Silencing people make their views fester. Refuting their points makes them look silly.
Thing with disinformation is, that people who decide what a disinformation is, have usually interest in what information should be viewed as true.
"In an ideal world, ‘hey everyone says what they want and the collective figured out what is good information’, sure, have at it. I think we currently see that isn’t how it actually works. So what do you do about it?"
We absolutely do see how. The very reason nobody takes flat earthers seriously is because they are allowed to speak freely. Truth is, you give much more validity to misinformation by trying to supress it rather than refuting it.
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I don't think censorship is the right approach either, but "let people with objectively false opinions make fools of themselves" is obviously not working as a strategy. Flat earthism is on the rise. Holocaust denial is on the rise. Anti-vaxism is on the rise. The number of people who think chocolate milk comes from brown cows is on the rise. Disinformation is winning the war.
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Is it time for the Sartre quote yet?
I know, deep down, you all are better than this...right?
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On October 03 2025 02:39 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:15 WombaT wrote:On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. In other words you support minorities, unless they happen to have different political opinion than you, in which case they are drooling morons. Thats very... not surprising. If a sizeable cohort of the population, and the media in the UK were just outright making stuff up about Polish people, to justify a position that all Polish people should be expelled from Britain, would you be alright with that? Or would you maybe have an issue on account of people just making stuff up, and it negatively impacting you? Which, in reality is the concern of many people who ‘hate free speech’ across numerous topics. It’s not silencing uncomfortable truths, it’s outright disinformation. In an ideal world, ‘hey everyone says what they want and the collective figured out what is good information’, sure, have at it. I think we currently see that isn’t how it actually works. So what do you do about it? No I wouldnt. What I would do however is argue their points, rather than trying to silence them. Silencing people make their views fester. Refuting their points makes them look silly. Thing with disinformation is, that people who decide what a disinformation is, have usually interest in what information should be viewed as true. "In an ideal world, ‘hey everyone says what they want and the collective figured out what is good information’, sure, have at it. I think we currently see that isn’t how it actually works. So what do you do about it?" We absolutely do see how. The very reason nobody takes flat earthers seriously is because they are allowed to speak freely. Truth is, you give much more validity to misinformation by trying to supress it rather than refuting it.
The majority of people isn't right any more often than the minority. This idea that the free marketplace of ideas corrects bad information is a complete myth. This is why we give scientific researchers such high credit - they're one of the minority groups that corrects bad information spreading among the masses.
What corrects bad information is education. And education mostly doesn't take place in the free marketplace of ideas. It's limited to certain spaces such as universities, which then hopefully get the information out so it can spread.
Unfortunately racists like Trump and his supporters are extremely interested in misinterpreting that information from researchers, and they spread that misinterpretation very successfully.
And they also censor the information, as they've literally been doing lately through their governing power. The thing that you claim to oppose, that's what Trump's administration has been doing lately. Have you been paying attention to that? We've been paying attention.
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On October 03 2025 02:29 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:22 Billyboy wrote:On October 03 2025 02:10 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 01:40 LightSpectra wrote:On October 03 2025 01:01 Magic Powers wrote:On October 03 2025 00:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 Velr wrote:On October 02 2025 23:52 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:48 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:40 KwarK wrote:
The so called tolerant left always do this. Back when Antifa destroyed cities in the early and mid 40s they blamed the political violence on “Nazis”. But if you look at the numbers then in pure tonnage terms the centrist patriotic Germans who wanted to keep Germany great actually used far fewer tonnes of explosives than the violent left. Yet it’s never the fault of the radical left, no matter how many bullets Antifas fire, they always insist that it is the fault of “Nazis”. You can’t reason with these people. I am very smart. My memory is clear like Crystal. Night when antifa went on to destroy businesses, shattered windows and looted in late 30s, should get very own name (dunno maybe " Ernst vom Rath protests") . Wtf were those nazis thinking spreading typhoid (or was it measles?). The hell they should be allowed to stand in the way of antifa noble goals. Obviously antifa was justified in assassination of Elder of Zion (or evil hatemonger), and the nazis showed how evil and violent they are, when millions of them gathered in the streets to express their grief. Face it bud, conservatives are your Jews. Jew is a race and religion. Conservative is a choice, like being an asshole. You're absolutely allowed to be opposed to conservatives. If anything it is a central part of being a good person. Isn't it basically scientifically proven that conservatives are just badly educated, stupid, fearfull and insecure bitches and thats what makes them conservative? Outside of the super capitalists that are just pure egomaniacs succesfully exploiting the former. Yeesh. Link? Like, american conservatism in the last 10 years has certainly seemed fucking garbage from an outside perspective, and I'm very much not a fan of a bunch of Christian conservative outlooks, but if we look back at what Introvert was saying 10 years ago, it isn't ALL batshit and evil. There ARE conservatives that I know that aren't actively trying to hurt everyone and aren't willing to stab the gays or whatever. Surely they're not all just drooling morons? I guess the question I'm asking is 'Is US conservatism its own entity, worthy of its own valuation?' I'll refer to a significant number of gay conservatives. It makes no sense that they choose the Republican party in the Trump era, and yet. There are also transgender conservatives. Feminist conservatives. I think some individual examples among them would fall under your definition of "drooling morons". Just being conservative doesn't make them morons, perhaps misguided or something, and they choose a conservative stance somewhat reasonably (the word "somewhat" doing heavy lifting). However, I'd say if they also support Trump, that would strictly make them the drooliest of morons. I can't understand anyone from an oppressed minority supporting Trump unless they've gone down some weird rabbit hole. Curiously I've been recommended a number of YT videos lately from black people who defended Charlie Kirk and said he was taken out of context (of course he wasn't). I don't know about their political affiliation, but it was interesting seeing black people (mostly men) fall for the grift. I know a few right-wing LGBTQ people. Almost all of them believe in severe misinformation because they rely on youtubers for their news instead of real journalism. Some of them get genuinely distressed when they realize they're being manipulated, others double down on it and think they're smarter than everyone else. On October 03 2025 01:37 Razyda wrote:On October 03 2025 00:05 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:
Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause Here's a dozen cases of Stephen Miller calling Democrats fascists, is he responsible for all the MAGA mass shootings that have happened this year? Rayzda, any thoughts on this? Yeah why not. I agree with some, namely: "If the idea of free speech enrages you - the cornerstone of democratic self-government - than I regret to inform you that you are a fascist." "If the key to achieving your agenda is silencing your critics, censoring your opponents, and banishing all dissenters from the public discourse, then your ideas are wrong and you are a fascist." Rest (if he is figure of some prominence) he shouldnt have posted. Talking about prominence: Actual effing presidential candidate called Trump a fascist and so did actual president. Not to mention bunch of senators, let alone journalists. Also: if you throw a rock at someone, dont play the victim if they pick it up and throw back at you. If I'm understanding correctly, the moment the very first liberal said Trump was a fascist, all political violence from that point onward would forever be the left's fault? Is that right? We're going to forever escalate to more and more violence and it will always be the left's fault because we started it? You dont, calling somebody fascist doesnt justify political violence, it does justify however being called fascist in return. Which of these 16 points do you think do not apply, and which of the ones that do not apply do you find offensive? 1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes. 2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies. 3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood. 4. White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious. 5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation. 6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders. 7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”. 8. Rampant sexism. 9. Control of mass media and undermining “truth”. 10. Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack. 11. Religion and government are intertwined. 12. Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed. 13. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative. 14. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence. 15. Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state. 16. Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict. A few weeks ago I gave the US administration a 75-81% match based on this exact list. This time around I'm arriving at 81-85%
Ya. I'm really not sure why the MAGA folk get upset about the Fascism comparison it seems pretty spot on. I do get he anger about the Nazi, but the Fascism anger seems to be that they do not know what that means and they just think its bad.
On October 03 2025 02:47 LightSpectra wrote:
I don't think censorship is the right approach either, but "let people with objectively false opinions make fools of themselves" is obviously not working as a strategy. Flat earthism is on the rise. Holocaust denial is on the rise. Anti-vaxism is on the rise. The number of people who think chocolate milk comes from brown cows is on the rise. Disinformation is winning the war.
We really need an unbiased, non politized center of truth so that people can all agree on them and then work from them to find solutions to our problems. Those can differ based on opinions and methods, and political leanings but the facts should not.
The problem is that any center of truth is going to appear left leaning at this point because people on the right are currently believing a lot of unproven or unproveable things and no center of truth can have anything faith based.
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On October 03 2025 02:20 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2025 22:50 Uldridge wrote:On October 02 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:10 Uldridge wrote:
What do you think the classifier Liberal means? At this point in time I would say: Very Liberal - people who openly celebrated Kirk death, Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause, and they themselves are therefore not to blame (There is shred of sanity remaining in them, which makes them somewhat uncomfortable with saying murder is good, not enough though to admit that they may be partially responsible. End of the day they are the good guys, so cant do anything morally wrong) You’re allowed to say no bud. You don’t have to literally show us that you don’t understand what it means. I think answer displays to everyone here that this person should not be taken seriously, even if that already was more or less the case. Just lacking any substance whatsoever. I'm not really arguing with you, but he is very representative of that group of people. Also, from what I can tell he authentically believes what he writes. So if you want to talk to someone that supports MAGA, and MAGAish things, then he's your guy. You are not going to find better, my experience (which is lengthy) is this is what you get. Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 01:53 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2025 01:39 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Razyda saying "conservatives are your Jews" is wild. What gets me is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is wrong with the Holocaust. They literally don't get why it is bad. The Nazis asserted that Jews were poisoning the nation and, if left unchecked, would destroy the German people. They asserted that by fighting the Jews they were really acting legitimately and legally in self defence. The critical issue with their assertion is that they made the whole thing up. Jews weren't destroying Germany, Nazis were destroying Germany and blaming Jews. It's like a guilty man insisting that his incarceration is basically the same as Nelson Mandela's. The comparison works as long as you have absolutely no understanding of why it was wrong to imprison Nelson Mandela. I actually think the Holocaust is bad whether or not the Nazis had been right (which they thought they were) instead of having made the whole thing up. I'm guessing this is why you are so upset with the inhumane condition that the illegals ICE are rounding up are kept in. Because even if they are illegal they still deserve respect and human dignity, right?
Respect, no, dignity, yes. Have you ever stopped once to ponder the question why or how there are so many illegal immigrants that the US government would be space constrained in some cases with the logistics of fixing the problem?
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On October 03 2025 02:57 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:20 Billyboy wrote:On October 02 2025 22:50 Uldridge wrote:On October 02 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:10 Uldridge wrote:
What do you think the classifier Liberal means? At this point in time I would say: Very Liberal - people who openly celebrated Kirk death, Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause, and they themselves are therefore not to blame (There is shred of sanity remaining in them, which makes them somewhat uncomfortable with saying murder is good, not enough though to admit that they may be partially responsible. End of the day they are the good guys, so cant do anything morally wrong) You’re allowed to say no bud. You don’t have to literally show us that you don’t understand what it means. I think answer displays to everyone here that this person should not be taken seriously, even if that already was more or less the case. Just lacking any substance whatsoever. I'm not really arguing with you, but he is very representative of that group of people. Also, from what I can tell he authentically believes what he writes. So if you want to talk to someone that supports MAGA, and MAGAish things, then he's your guy. You are not going to find better, my experience (which is lengthy) is this is what you get. On October 03 2025 01:53 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2025 01:39 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Razyda saying "conservatives are your Jews" is wild. What gets me is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is wrong with the Holocaust. They literally don't get why it is bad. The Nazis asserted that Jews were poisoning the nation and, if left unchecked, would destroy the German people. They asserted that by fighting the Jews they were really acting legitimately and legally in self defence. The critical issue with their assertion is that they made the whole thing up. Jews weren't destroying Germany, Nazis were destroying Germany and blaming Jews. It's like a guilty man insisting that his incarceration is basically the same as Nelson Mandela's. The comparison works as long as you have absolutely no understanding of why it was wrong to imprison Nelson Mandela. I actually think the Holocaust is bad whether or not the Nazis had been right (which they thought they were) instead of having made the whole thing up. I'm guessing this is why you are so upset with the inhumane condition that the illegals ICE are rounding up are kept in. Because even if they are illegal they still deserve respect and human dignity, right? Respect, no, dignity, yes. Have you ever stopped once to ponder the question why or how there are so many illegal immigrants that the US government would be space constrained in some cases with the logistics of fixing the problem?
No, I'm confident it is because where they are from is awful and there are plenty of jobs for them that pay better in the US. I also know there are many more cost effective, and humane, ways to deal with immigration.
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On October 03 2025 02:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Is it time for the Sartre quote yet? I know, deep down, you all are better than this...right?
Better than what?
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On October 03 2025 03:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Is it time for the Sartre quote yet? I know, deep down, you all are better than this...right? Better than what?
He wants people to swap from mocking and gawking at Republicans, to mocking and gawking at democrats, like he has. Because that will bring socialism.
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On October 03 2025 02:55 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:47 LightSpectra wrote:
I don't think censorship is the right approach either, but "let people with objectively false opinions make fools of themselves" is obviously not working as a strategy. Flat earthism is on the rise. Holocaust denial is on the rise. Anti-vaxism is on the rise. The number of people who think chocolate milk comes from brown cows is on the rise. Disinformation is winning the war. We really need an unbiased, non politized center of truth so that people can all agree on them and then work from them to find solutions to our problems. Those can differ based on opinions and methods, and political leanings but the facts should not. The problem is that any center of truth is going to appear left leaning at this point because people on the right are currently believing a lot of unproven or unproveable things and no center of truth can have anything faith based.
Anyone who figures out a successful strategy to combat disinformation will genuinely be heralded as the savior of civilization.
I saw an article in Ars Technica recently that said prebunking (information campaigns before disinformation has a chance to flourish) has shown some promise against election denialism, but it's unclear how to use the same tactics to fight anti-vaxxers and whatnot.
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On October 03 2025 03:01 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2025 02:57 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2025 02:20 Billyboy wrote:On October 02 2025 22:50 Uldridge wrote:On October 02 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 22:29 Razyda wrote:On October 02 2025 22:10 Uldridge wrote:
What do you think the classifier Liberal means? At this point in time I would say: Very Liberal - people who openly celebrated Kirk death, Liberal - the ones that try to gaslight themselves and others that their nazi/fascist rhetorics is not the cause, and they themselves are therefore not to blame (There is shred of sanity remaining in them, which makes them somewhat uncomfortable with saying murder is good, not enough though to admit that they may be partially responsible. End of the day they are the good guys, so cant do anything morally wrong) You’re allowed to say no bud. You don’t have to literally show us that you don’t understand what it means. I think answer displays to everyone here that this person should not be taken seriously, even if that already was more or less the case. Just lacking any substance whatsoever. I'm not really arguing with you, but he is very representative of that group of people. Also, from what I can tell he authentically believes what he writes. So if you want to talk to someone that supports MAGA, and MAGAish things, then he's your guy. You are not going to find better, my experience (which is lengthy) is this is what you get. On October 03 2025 01:53 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2025 01:39 KwarK wrote:On October 02 2025 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Razyda saying "conservatives are your Jews" is wild. What gets me is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is wrong with the Holocaust. They literally don't get why it is bad. The Nazis asserted that Jews were poisoning the nation and, if left unchecked, would destroy the German people. They asserted that by fighting the Jews they were really acting legitimately and legally in self defence. The critical issue with their assertion is that they made the whole thing up. Jews weren't destroying Germany, Nazis were destroying Germany and blaming Jews. It's like a guilty man insisting that his incarceration is basically the same as Nelson Mandela's. The comparison works as long as you have absolutely no understanding of why it was wrong to imprison Nelson Mandela. I actually think the Holocaust is bad whether or not the Nazis had been right (which they thought they were) instead of having made the whole thing up. I'm guessing this is why you are so upset with the inhumane condition that the illegals ICE are rounding up are kept in. Because even if they are illegal they still deserve respect and human dignity, right? Respect, no, dignity, yes. Have you ever stopped once to ponder the question why or how there are so many illegal immigrants that the US government would be space constrained in some cases with the logistics of fixing the problem? No, I'm confident it is because where they are from is awful and there are plenty of jobs for them that pay better in the US. I also know there are many more cost effective, and humane, ways to deal with immigration.
That's their perspective. Why would the US government, increasingly in the hands of radical open borders free trade corporatists, have allowed them to constantly come and settle? Why let that happen? Are they really into the workers' revolution and wanted to allow more workers in to help the Americans to get that going? They really want to share the plenty of high paying jobs out of the goodness of their heart - perhaps even pay them more than native citizens - something like that?
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Are the radical open borders free trade corporatists in the room right now?
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