What happened to Blizzard's effort to buff Mech? - Page 5

On March 05 2017 03:19 Jealous wrote:
In this episode of Monthly Mech Viability Whine Thread, we have the same posters making the same complaints they've made for months, all with little to no statistical or empirical evidence! Players who reach M and GM with Mech who still think that their homogenous, uninspired, turtle-oriented style of play is getting the shaft are here to answer any logical counter-arguments you have with the same shriveled up explanations and whinefests that you've grown to expect and detest! Tune in again next month, when you will hear the same issues brought up again and again from people who lack a sense of realism when it comes to Blizzard's approach to the game, how others play and want to play, and lack the basic objectivity necessary to talk about balance!

On March 05 2017 09:30 blunderfulguy wrote:

Irrelevant units? We are talking about Mechanical units, and SH don't hard counter Hellions and Cyclones, especially in the early-mid game, they hard counter a turtling Terran player relying on Planetary Fortresses and Siege Tanks in the mid-late game who also doesn't use their army to attack into a Zerg player and get serious damage done.

On March 04 2017 06:27 StarscreamG1 wrote:
What if I tell you mech is not bad, but bio that is stronger and that's why we see bio 95% of time? ^_^

On March 05 2017 09:59 blunderfulguy wrote:
If there's still any question about the viability of mech play in the current state of LotV, I would like to present a glorious video from a Terran player by the name of Polt, with fantastically entertaining and intelligent commentary, which he played on the Korean ladder at the Grand Master (90) level and features a spectacular amount of Mechanical units, notably Hellions and Siege Tanks, a transition into Battlecruisers, as well as a large number of Swarm Hosts from his opponent throughout:

On March 05 2017 22:25 petro1987 wrote:
I've given up on Blizzard ever making mech (I'm talking about mech in the sense of BW, not mass ravens or something similar btw) viable. Let's face it, at this point, the game is almost driven on community lobby. There is no clear vision from the dev team. If Zerg and Protoss players don't want mech to be viable (which seems to be the case), it won't be viable. It doesn't matter how many times you hear from Blizzard that they want to make mech viable. For how long have they been saying this? 4 years? More? The bottomline line is most Zerg and Protoss dislike playing vs mech and they will strongly lobby against it. Hell, I've read in this thread that mech is actually viable now, because avilo is GM and polt has beaten a random player in the ladder. What kind of definition of viability is that? Just look at IEM. How many mech games have you seen? How come a strategy is viable if nobody even uses it. That's some kind of Orwellian redefinition going on.

On March 06 2017 02:22 Jealous wrote:

So you're talking about mech in the sense of BW, where besides a handful of early-game pushes that have at most 12 marines but more often 4-6 vs. Protoss and one mid-game semi-cheese, factory units are the only ones you build?

Or are you talking about the mech that starts after the first marine in TvT, and doesn't relent until late game air mass?

Or is it the mech that has become a popular late-game tool for Terrans vs. Zerg, and has been a strandard transition for years since the wane of SK Terran?

If you want mech in SC2 to be like it was in BW, you're pretty much asking for mech to become the requirement in two match-ups and the preferred option in the late game of the third. Huh, almost sounds like Bio in SC2 now that you think about it. So you want to force the Terran player pool into the Fourth Reich of Mech, just as the rest of the player base had so unfairly chained you to Bio play?

Or is it that you want to make mech as good as it is in BW without making bio any worse? That sounds reasonable!

Tune in next time when we address the true meaning of Orwellian and its application to concepts that didn't make any sense even prior to its introduction!

On March 05 2017 13:53 stuchiu wrote:
This was one of those things I was hoping would be forgotten. Mech as a viewer sucks.

On March 06 2017 03:13 avilo wrote:


I mean maybe you personally dislike it...but when mech was almost as viable as bio...the game had about 100x the viewers it currently does now.

I mean for example, this IEM...games are great sure but...

As a viewer i can tell you every single game opening build and flow of the game without having watched the games. I know 100% every Terran will open with a raven/cyclone expo into marine tank off 3 rax into a doom drop. Every. Single. Game.

Isn't it part of spectator value for the games to be unpredictable and not know 100% what will happen every single game before it starts?

When strategies are limited or players are forced to play one way, it detracts from the spectator value of the game as a whole.

Terran in LOTV is basically 100% limited to bio for tourney play, with like the odd mech game that a pro will try and throw in every now and then because mech is unviable to the point no one even practices vs it xD

Some of the most exciting/viewership games were mech versus swarmhost games. And i bet everyone here will agree that swarmhosts were and are a ridiculous unit, as are mass ravens.

Yet those games drew a huge viewership because they were often macro games of epic proportions and not just making marines and throwing medivacs to random points on the map. They were more strategic games.

SC2 definitely deserves more strategic games, instead of the current direction LOTV took which is speed/build order memorization.

On March 06 2017 03:14 Lexender wrote:


Really I just saw a bunch of games where the terran made nothing out of the factory and just floated it around for scouting.

In reality its not we ask for much, just revert SH buff from 3.8, then take it from there. Considering hydras and corruptors are getting buffed after all.

Also if anything I wish they tryied to push mech in TvP, considering again that they are nerfing WM, very important units for TvP mech.

On March 07 2017 03:15 ruypture wrote:


Let's be realistic here. Mech has nothing to do with the viewership of SC2.

Match-fixing, KeSPA dissolution, inconsistent WCS rules and schedules, player retirements, tournament/organization dissolution, other games, have things to do with viewership.

On March 07 2017 02:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:


I saw a game where liberators, siege tanks, marines, medivacs, widow mines, and maruaders were used in every single matchup for both early games and late game compositions.

I did not see one time where TY or Innovation or any of those players were floating Factories to... I guess spot for Nukes? wtf are you even talking about?