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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
On March 04 2017 21:39 Railgan wrote: Mech is definitly viable. What do you guys want? To build some tanks thors hellions and just autowin? To a certain degree, yes. We want to be able to have a chance at winning with mostly fact units with some air as support, not backwards. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
On March 04 2017 11:54 Phaenoman wrote: Actually you try to make this whole topic sound totally pathetic, but what you really do is remind everyone that Zergs and Protoss players have been asking for specific unit compositions themselves for a while now. Zerg wanted LBM in TvZ to work again. After the Lib nerf more and more LBM is being played. And since the WM has received the current shield damage, Zealot-Archon has been unplayable and Protoss players have been asking for it. So your sarcasm is actually the truth, but hey, double standards are cool. The whole community agreed that turtle until 8 amor ultra was just a bad game design, and that liberators countering everything in the air was dumb, we never asked blizzard to remove every counter to ling bane muta, as you mechers do. | ||
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Railgan
Switzerland1507 Posts
On March 05 2017 00:02 Lexender wrote: To a certain degree, yes. We want to be able to have a chance at winning with mostly fact units with some air as support, not backwards. so like when I believe Innovation won a bo5/bo7 vs dark without buillding a starport? | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:06 xTJx wrote: The whole community agreed that turtle until 8 amor ultra was just a bad game design, and that liberators countering everything in the air was dumb, we never asked blizzard to remove every counter to ling bane muta, as you mechers do. The double standard on this community is outstanding. On March 05 2017 01:07 Railgan wrote: so like when I believe Innovation won a bo5/bo7 vs dark without buillding a starport? Besides the fact that only happened in 1 series months ago? Nobody would be against nerfing stuff if it ever turns too stupid, its not like everybody and their mothers is doing hellion/cyclone as of now, its played like once every 100 games (and once every another 100 banshee mech) and if you buff hydras and corruptors even those wouldn't be played anymore. And all of this considering mech is 100% unviable vs protoss. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:06 xTJx wrote: The whole community agreed that turtle until 8 amor ultra was just a bad game design, and that liberators countering everything in the air was dumb, we never asked blizzard to remove every counter to ling bane muta, as you mechers do. Mutas were hard countered by Libs quite badly and Zergs started asking for a nerf cuz that unit was basically useless. Do not even try to sell any fairytails here. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On March 04 2017 10:59 avilo wrote: I would agree with that. And the koreans all already know, it's why they never go mech except to "surprise" someone. 99% games are bio, except the 1% where a pro does it to try to get a freewin because the opponent doesn't expect you in money games to do a strategy that's blatantly bad lol. So why don't you have 0% winrate ? Everyone knows you play mech, so if it's just about surprising the other you shouldn't win any games ? | ||
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IMplying
Germany58 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Jealous
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:11 Lexender wrote: The double standard on this community is outstanding. No double standard, no one likes a unit composition that is just amove, what mech basicaly is. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
On March 05 2017 04:00 xTJx wrote: No double standard, no one likes a unit composition that is just amove, what mech basicaly is. Yes that A-move of siege tanks, the most A-move of units because you can totally attack move with them. You just embody that double standard and I don't know if you are doing on purpose or what, but its not a funny meme. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:21 Phaenoman wrote: Mutas were hard countered by Libs quite badly and Zergs started asking for a nerf cuz that unit was basically useless. Do not even try to sell any fairytails here. Zergs asked for 1 unit to have a damage nerf. Mechers ask for nerf on: Nydus, Viper, SH, Hydra, every air unit in the game and doomdrops. Can you see just a bit of difference? We asked for a nerf so we could defend drops, mechers want to change the whole game just to sit there and build an unstoppable army. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
On March 05 2017 04:15 Lexender wrote: Yes that A-move of siege tanks, the most A-move of units because you can totally attack move with them. You just embody that double standard and I don't know if you are doing on purpose or what, but its not a funny meme. My bad, forgot to mention you have to press a button first to turn them into meat grinders that destroy every single ground unit in range, not as micro intensive as hellbats and thors. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On March 05 2017 04:17 xTJx wrote: Zergs asked for 1 unit to have a damage nerf. Mechers ask for nerf on: Nydus, Viper, SH, Hydra, every air unit in the game and doomdrops. Can you see just a bit of difference? We asked for a nerf so we could defend drops, mechers want to change the whole game just to sit there and build an unstoppable army. I can understand the Viper. And you can feel the cloud nerf influence. But neither the hydra nor the Nydus has been an issue. Almost noone is using nydus. What are you talking about? The SH is a complete design failure since it was introduced. It has not become any better. Also now suddenly you do say that Zergs asked for a nerf to make a unit viable. What are you gonna tell me next? | ||
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Psychobabas
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SCHWARZENEGGER
206 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:07 Railgan wrote: so like when I believe Innovation won a bo5/bo7 vs dark without buillding a starport? inno was first who tried mech vs dark on top level back then and it was just for the surprise effect and he stop after this even after he won lol, he also said that mech is bad, even snute said that he haven't lose a single game vs mech with swarmhosts. | ||
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
On March 05 2017 03:55 Meta wrote: You can really tell who did and did not play brood war in this thread. The people who advocate for mech buffs clearly did, and those who say it's boring or "turtle" clearly did not. Because mech in SC2 is just a sit on your arse deathball > massive cloud of ravens. It's not positional. You just turtle to victory. In brood war you needed to split your units up and move around more to defend your bases, as well as actually execute a solid push across the map at some point before the opponents could combo a huge eco with their own lategame tech. Terran has no incentive to commit to an offensive fight basically ever. Other than in early GomTvT days where people basically just tried to play like broodwar, SC2 mech has never been remotely the same as BW mech. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On March 05 2017 05:04 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote: inno was first who tried mech vs dark on top level back then and it was just for the surprise effect and he stop after this even after he won lol, he also said that mech is bad, even snute said that he haven't lose a single game vs mech with swarmhosts. He hasn't lost a single game vs mech with SH because even though it's a known counter to that style of play, mech players don't make any efforts to do anything about them aside from complain on forums. | ||
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