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On March 17 2017 05:14 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 04:08 Tyrhanius wrote:On March 15 2017 03:39 Clbull wrote:
Mech is hardly played because professional tier Koreans and Foreigners are used to playing MMMM or marine/tank.They have literally zero reason to sacrifice their tournament results by learning an entirely new playstyle from scratch when their current playstyle works effectively.
This is why the best Mech players right now are streamers like Avilo who lack the mindset to compete on the world stage.
To give David Kim some credit, Mech's received a substantial buff in the last few months. Siege Tanks now deal Brood War levels of burst damage while maintaining their superior attack speed from their Brood War counterparts. The Cyclone is now at worst a viable early game Mech counter to armoured units, and at best a lethal early game cheese machine that can devastate opponents with the right build and map. You overrate Avilo so much, he has never had any result in tournament, actually plenty of unknown players are better than him. Tip his name on Aligulac : avilo US T 0–1 Z US GAMETIME avilo US T 0–2 T US FuturE avilo US T 1–2 T US Cuddlebear avilo US T 1–2 Z BO DarKLoVeR avilo US T 0–2 P US RayReign avilo US T 0–2 T CA Drunkenboi Don't confound celebrity and skill. Overrate? I said he was the best mech player, which is more-so a testament to how underplayed Mech is in competitive leagues. Mech either isn't competitive in tournaments or is not played because Bio-Mine and Bio-Tank is straight-up better. I'd also mention Goody but he's stopped playing exclusively Mech since HSC4.
He's not even top 100 let alone the best
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On March 15 2017 04:39 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 03:39 Clbull wrote:
Mech is hardly played because professional tier Koreans and Foreigners are used to playing MMMM or marine/tank.They have literally zero reason to sacrifice their tournament results by learning an entirely new playstyle from scratch when their current playstyle works effectively.
This is why the best Mech players right now are streamers like Avilo who lack the mindset to compete on the world stage.
To give David Kim some credit, Mech's received a substantial buff in the last few months. Siege Tanks now deal Brood War levels of burst damage while maintaining their superior attack speed from their Brood War counterparts. The Cyclone is now at worst a viable early game Mech counter to armoured units, and at best a lethal early game cheese machine that can devastate opponents with the right build and map. lol there's nothing wrong with my mindset. The only legit criticism someone could have of me as a player is that i refuse to play exclusively bio for competitive play because that would honestly give me a really good chance of qualifying and winning games and matches over mech which currently is severely underpowered. My mindset is perfectly fine and i'm usually one of the players that is on the "forefront" of the metagame. It's my own personal problem that the game literally loses all value for me if i'm forced to play 16 marine drop every game, but that's honestly OK with me atm because i enjoy being the best SC2 streamer and mech player. Trust me, competing on the "world stage" would not require a "mindset shift" from me. It would just require me to grind bio games for like a month and become entirely bored of the game lol. More back on topic...blizzard has shafted mech repeatedly with terrible changes, especially ever since the swarmhost patch. If those things are fixed and addressed, as well as cyclones/mech anti-air, i think mech will be fully playable again against all three races. The issue is at this point Blizzard does not care.
i think blizzard cares but they dont see the monetary opportunity at hand, im not buying any skins and neither will most of the people who feel DUPED by the 3.8 "mech" patch, but i would buy most of the skins in a heartbeat if they made thors able to counter carriers in splash mode, that would fix mech 100% and they could roll back ravens or even remove pdd completely as thors would shoot down locust, itd fix mech completely without changing almost anything at all
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On March 17 2017 05:14 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 04:08 Tyrhanius wrote:On March 15 2017 03:39 Clbull wrote:
Mech is hardly played because professional tier Koreans and Foreigners are used to playing MMMM or marine/tank.They have literally zero reason to sacrifice their tournament results by learning an entirely new playstyle from scratch when their current playstyle works effectively.
This is why the best Mech players right now are streamers like Avilo who lack the mindset to compete on the world stage.
To give David Kim some credit, Mech's received a substantial buff in the last few months. Siege Tanks now deal Brood War levels of burst damage while maintaining their superior attack speed from their Brood War counterparts. The Cyclone is now at worst a viable early game Mech counter to armoured units, and at best a lethal early game cheese machine that can devastate opponents with the right build and map. You overrate Avilo so much, he has never had any result in tournament, actually plenty of unknown players are better than him. Tip his name on Aligulac : avilo US T 0–1 Z US GAMETIME avilo US T 0–2 T US FuturE avilo US T 1–2 T US Cuddlebear avilo US T 1–2 Z BO DarKLoVeR avilo US T 0–2 P US RayReign avilo US T 0–2 T CA Drunkenboi Don't confound celebrity and skill. Overrate? I said he was the best mech player, which is more-so a testament to how underplayed Mech is in competitive leagues. Mech either isn't competitive in tournaments or is not played because Bio-Mine and Bio-Tank is straight-up better. I'd also mention Goody but he's stopped playing exclusively Mech since HSC4.
If by "mech player" you mean a person who plays literally only mech even when he says it's bad and rages about it in a funny way on twitch, then yeah... he's the best. BTW any pro T player plays/would play mech far far far better than him with just some games of practice.
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Have not kept up with the game in some time. So mech is still not working at pro level?
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On March 31 2017 12:43 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Have not kept up with the game in some time. So mech is still not working at pro level?
No one at the pro level goes mech, and if they do, it's to throw off their opponent, nothing more. If you want to see how frustrating mech is to play atm, play it TvZ against swarm hosts. You'll just rip your hair out and wonder why you even play this game anymore. Mech is only playable in TvT, and even then, you're behind the moment you decide to go mech. The only thing that is keeping mech alive are, imo, Ravens (auto turrets are op), and BC's with their teleport and yamato.
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On March 31 2017 12:54 Phattyasmo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2017 12:43 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Have not kept up with the game in some time. So mech is still not working at pro level? No one at the pro level goes mech, and if they do, it's to throw off their opponent, nothing more. If you want to see how frustrating mech is to play atm, play it TvZ against swarm hosts. You'll just rip your hair out and wonder why you even play this game anymore. Mech is only playable in TvT, and even then, you're behind the moment you decide to go mech. The only thing that is keeping mech alive are, imo, Ravens (auto turrets are op), and BC's with their teleport and yamato.
Ryung goes mech in tvz a decent amount of the time
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The update today specifically noted that they were looking into buffing Thor AA.
Ryung goes mech in tvz a decent amount of the time
He does indeed, but I think that's more a result of his bio being crap by pro standards than mech being anything special.
Gumiho has shown a fair amount of mech as well, probably for the same reason.
None of the top Terrans use mech. I think the last time TY tried it soO slaughtered him.
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Yeah the update today shows they are still thinking of mech. Good to see.
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Ironically, every patch since they said that they wanted to make mech viable, has unintentionally nerfed mech. Even the +siege tank dmg patch was a net loss for mech.
"Let's buff hydra hp to help vs carriers" Did it help vs carriers? Nope. Did it screw over mech? Yep.
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If you want a bellwether on mech viability, keep an eye on INnoVation. He has a history of mech, and if the best TvZ player in the world abandons his bio, then he will be pretty damn confident that mech is better.
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On March 31 2017 12:58 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2017 12:54 Phattyasmo wrote:On March 31 2017 12:43 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Have not kept up with the game in some time. So mech is still not working at pro level? No one at the pro level goes mech, and if they do, it's to throw off their opponent, nothing more. If you want to see how frustrating mech is to play atm, play it TvZ against swarm hosts. You'll just rip your hair out and wonder why you even play this game anymore. Mech is only playable in TvT, and even then, you're behind the moment you decide to go mech. The only thing that is keeping mech alive are, imo, Ravens (auto turrets are op), and BC's with their teleport and yamato. Ryung goes mech in tvz a decent amount of the time
Gumiho also goes mech. Innovation and TY also sometimes does it.
For the most part it's in every pro Terran toolkit and they use it every now and then.
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They really need to address the swarm host. I'm so fed up with trying to mech and having my opponent just go swarm hosts and win the game because of that unit alone. The unit is such a hard counter to mech; I don't understand what Blizzard sees in the unit. But hey, as long as the game is "balanced" at the very top level right, where everyone goes bio. Yeah, mech can work, but it's usually because of a skill difference/playing against someone who doesn't know what to do, etc. The minute someone sees mech and starts making some swarm hosts....good luck. Only thing to do is make raven for pdd, etc.
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On April 01 2017 11:13 Phattyasmo wrote:
They really need to address the swarm host. I'm so fed up with trying to mech and having my opponent just go swarm hosts and win the game because of that unit alone. The unit is such a hard counter to mech; I don't understand what Blizzard sees in the unit. But hey, as long as the game is "balanced" at the very top level right, where everyone goes bio. Yeah, mech can work, but it's usually because of a skill difference/playing against someone who doesn't know what to do, etc. The minute someone sees mech and starts making some swarm hosts....good luck. Only thing to do is make raven for pdd, etc.
Except pdd does not work against locust. It did in HOTS but not any more.
Pdd does not protect against any damage from locust.
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Updates:
1. avilo has started saying "carrier imba" and claiming his opponents are maphackers in Brood War. Both games are officially broken, RIP StarCraft.
2. It's April already, it's time to start a new thread guys. This thread is now officially Last Month's Mech Whine Thread.
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On March 31 2017 13:05 Ketroc wrote:
"Let's buff hydra hp to help vs carriers" Did it help vs carriers? Nope. Did it screw over mech? Yep.
i dont care about mech viability but this is a depressing reality of developer skill
2 changes (hydra combat shields/turbo corruptors) in a single patch aimed at discouraging a style of play that isnt even prevalent at the highest levels that end up having effects on other matchups
edit: and they discuss changing the thor without addressing it's speed. honestly its like they dont play this game but im ure thats not a surprise 2 anyone anymore
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they made it's called SC rematsered, mech are good there, sorry but i had to make this joke it's april fool after all
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