Newbie Mini Mafia LXI

On February 16 2015 09:53 jarjarbinks wrote:


lolz dang it you caught me! lol

On February 16 2015 14:53 Hier wrote:
By the way, for the sake of pronoun consistency, as I understand it, rsoultin, The Shining, and Mimeux are women, and the rest are men. Is that right? Apologies if I am making a mistake.

On February 16 2015 15:17 Hier wrote:

I just don't know how far my lexicon can take me reiterating my own accusations, and I don't really see the point when you'll just rebuke it my saying I misinterpreted your quotes, thus creating a nucleus for a completely unnecessary discussion.

But if you really really really want I'll do so in the morning. It's getting late here too, and tomorrow is a holiday here, so I'll have time.

On February 16 2015 01:02 jarjarbinks wrote:


Could you use a quote or something to explain Trf's?

On February 16 2015 22:39 Silverarte wrote:
Sorry friends, I completely fell asleep last night ><

I'll take the sleepiness into account Trfel. Though, when you're around again, let me know what you think without all of the sleepiness there?

As far as Shining goes, I can see your point. I didn't see what made the case on Zlefin, particularly since Zle's filter looked null to me at that time. I'd say the oddest thing to me here is that you being potentially scumread for walls of text. Those make it hard to read sometimes true, but I proved my only other game then and now that I do those too.

Personally, I'd like to see more from Shining. I saw where you are coming from, but I don't feel he's a D1 lynch. And actually, I'd like to see everyone's thought here too.

@zlefin I appreciate the concern about activity and all that, but remember. I live in the US and I posted my schedule up. On Saturdays, I work for ten hours then went out for Valentines out here. While I appreciate activity might signify something, at the same time, understanding for the holiday I feel should be in there somewhere too.
Now, that said and behind us, my question for you is this. The scumread list you gave, can I ask what gives you the thoughts that Jarjar and Hier are on the lynch list. Also, if I'm reading the way you have that list right, Rsoultin is on the lynch list too, is that correct? (It's the points I'm trying to sort out).

On February 17 2015 00:26 rsoultin wrote:


I disagree with this, zle, based solely on the fact that if you read Truffle's post to JJB it was a joke in response to a joke. Unless you believe that Truffle actually meant his "town can never be wrong so you're scum" comment

On February 17 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:
Hi Tere.

On Hier, for now I am thinking that he is more likely to be town than scum. There is a definite difference between bad play and mafia, and while I don't see Hier's play as being particularly beneficial to town, I don't really see it being mafia-motivated.

On February 17 2015 01:47 Trfel wrote:

Zlefin, who do you want to lynch now? (and yes, I read your previous list, if it is the same, then that is fine... unless of course you decide to lynch me, in which case I'll be pretty annoyed)

On February 17 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:


If you believe I'm town this game, trust that I will definitely do my best to try to bring the towniness out of Hier before lynching him. I wanted you to start that counterwagon, though, since you seem so certain that Hier is not the lynch. You're not starting it. This is concerning. But apparently you have to go, so I'll just...lol, figure it out from here as best I can xP

On February 17 2015 03:01 Tere wrote:
I can try!

First off, I think this is his first game:


Then says he's a slight town read on trfel and slight scum on jarjar, null on the rest. Wants to consider policy lynching for inactivity after 12 hours, which is a little keen IMO. Says reads are mostly tonal and impressions, which I don't see as alignment indicative (given I use tone a lot myself). Townreads Hier (plan too much effort for scum) and rso (likes objections and analysis) after some clarification on WIFOM, then tries to connect you, demonstrating said WIFOM.

Still wants to policy lynch even though he thinks it's unlikely it's a scum tell - which the Shining picked up on and I do think is a bit off too, it's funny logic for town. Dislikes the banter between Trfel and jarjar saying jarjar's joking makes him look scummy (I think the opposite). Doesn't like one of Hier's thesaurus posts (nor did I). Posts up his tally system, saying jarjar, hier, silver and trfel are lynchpool, prefers trfel for most information. Asks if he should OMGUS Shining for his push on him. There's a funny question about town probability of Trfel's townread on Hier. Confirms it is his first game and settles for Hier as most probable lynch.

Ugh.

There's aspects of that logic that I don't like for town (wanting to policy lynch while recognising unlikely to be scum, disliking the banter, wanting to lynch Trfel for most info despite not finding him the most scummy for example), but I can also see that as coming from newbie town, particularly newbie town who seems to be trying to feel their way on their own without relying too much on their coaching support.

Bits look scummy but there might be a genuine reason for that in his new player status.

I appreciate that's not much help.

On February 17 2015 03:54 jarjarbinks wrote:


So is this like your strongest read of the game? Deserving of a -2 score?

On February 17 2015 04:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm adding to the counterwagon for zlefin. There definitely needs to be one, and I see zlefin as pretty scummy so far.

1. Doesn't really explain scumreads, besides my joke.
2. Is kind of scumhunting, but not really.
3. Most reads are pure tonal. Which is fine, but I can't back that.

zlefin if you answer my above question and I like it, I am willing to change my vote.

Hier, please post you still have a chance of not dying today. People switch votes all the time in this game. Answering questions helps people understand your thinking and if your town that is good for you

On February 17 2015 04:22 jarjarbinks wrote:


Got it. Can you explain your Trf flip reasoning from before?

On February 17 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:
We need a wagon. Analyzing the larger picture, unless you have something really good, is probably better suited for the night phase.

Admittedly I've been lurking for the last hour or so, to see what happens when I've stepped back from the thread. Zle is not impressing me, either. If we want a vote switch (and I'm still not sure I do, frankly) I'm willing to switch to him.

Shining's not being here at all today also isn't sitting well with me.

On February 17 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote:


Zlefin, I don't know, man. Asking who to vote for in thread is weird. It's a newbie game; you have someone to talk to if you're not sure how to play.

You just seem super reluctant about this Hier lynch. If you don't think it's right, then I don't understand what you're doing right now.

On February 17 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
Who do you really want to vote for, Zle? If you were a vigilante, had a day shot, and could take someone out without anyone else's input, who would it be and why?

On February 17 2015 07:42 jarjarbinks wrote:


It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point?

On February 17 2015 08:11 rsoultin wrote:
There are a ton of red flags appearing in zlefin's play, though, and that concerns me. This whole not wanting to vote-switch stuff among them. Townies generally don't care about consistency or perception, because townies are just trying to find scum.

On February 17 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:
Anyway, I'm tired now. I'll keep checking up on the thread, but I doubt I will seriously investigate anything else before I go to sleep. I hope you can understand. I'll get to everything else tomorrow. Be warned that I sometimes get carried away playing mafia, so it's also possible that I stay up until something like 5 AM analyzing everything to death.

Slightly unrelated, I would appreciate thoughts on the formatting of my previous post. Is that more understandable and easier to read than a wall of text version?

On February 17 2015 14:16 rsoultin wrote:


He was asking weird questions imo...about who he should be voting for even though he thought that hier was scum. for information purposes or somethin' Then went all quiet after I said just vote for his scumread since there were 2hrs left. Something else about not wanting to change votes a lot.

Seemed very concerned about perception there at the end and his vote on Hier was very half-hearted, dunnae. Yup. I think I commented on it in my filter actually.

On February 17 2015 19:21 Tere wrote:
Morning zlefin!

If you had two bullets, who would you shoot right now to kill scum?

On February 17 2015 22:43 Tere wrote:
Yup.

There's an extremely good town related reason why someone might want to get a town consensus on scum reads during the night phase, and it's not that hard to figure out. Just saying

Anyway, out to this bloody boring meeting. Back later.

On February 17 2015 23:28 Trfel wrote:
Zlefin, I hope you can understand why people are skeptical of your list. It would be extremely nice if in the future, you could keep a list of why you read people as the alignment that you do for the individual points. This is also helpful for you, because if you decide that someone is scum, you can use these lists to quickly show why they are scum.

On February 18 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
Firstly, if you're hinting at what I believe you're hinting at, Tere, use your best judgment and your coach. You don't need everyone else's reads to do it. Put on those big girl pants xP

And give your own reads, cause you know how this confirmation bias stuff works, and you're feeding into it right now.

Zlefin...let's try something, okay? Would you like to play a game with me? Lol, JJB will probably recognize this game.

On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^

Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.

Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts?

On February 18 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote:


Believe it or not, that actually does make me feel better ^^

Eh, I don't know how to explain JJB other than he's a bit of a happy clown, but the biggest points in his favor at EoD were how he kept the discussion open. I know he was pushing you, but from a mafia perspective, if you know the leading wagon is town you either just sit there and let others push it so you don't look bad when he flips town, or you say "this is a bad lynch" but do nothing to stop it. JJB doesn't really fall in either category.

On February 18 2015 09:02 Trfel wrote:
Well, I'm still alive. That's interesting. I wonder if that means I'm completely off track. Or if it means that someone on the mafia team is cruel and wants to torture me.

Rsoultin, I'll take a look at your filter and your reads. I still think that we are mostly in the same place, though.

On February 18 2015 02:05 zlefin wrote:

Do others concur with rsoultin's description of JJB?
I ask because I don't want to base any changes entirely off this in the unlikely event the two of them are mafia.
If others concur with the description, I'm going to give a positive point to JJB, based on rsoultins comments in the last page, which also help reassess JJBs early game (in particular his joke which I didn't like, more info on its normalcy for him ameliorates it).

On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.

Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.

Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch.

On February 19 2015 09:49 Trfel wrote:
A response to Tere (because zlefin asked for it, shrug)
Note that I do not require a response if you do not choose to provide one. It is spoilered because I don't see it as being very important.

+ Show Spoiler +

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Tagging this at the bottom because I'm not sure it deserves its own post. You already have my reaction, to me it seems like a town vs town argument.

On February 20 2015 01:39 ElyAs wrote:


Wow, that's what I call a scud. I think something's starting to make sense.

I'm changing my way of reading this game. Something felt off but I can narrow it down to 3 people as possible lynch for tonight imo.

On February 20 2015 04:01 ElyAs wrote:
Ok I'm gonna commit, I volontarily omitted the punchline to my scenarii post.

I'm Wendy Testaburger, town Doctor !

Which is why I can say with such confidence that the role distribution is either :
1 Godfather, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 1 Vigilante, 5 Vanilla Town or
1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 6 Vanilla Town

My point is, Tere has been breadcrumbing blue, but most importantly, she has been breadcrumbing Vigi adding to my strong townread.
Proof :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=44#874

"The two people I would shoot right now are The Shining and Silverarte."
Why is she saying this while nobody has asked her who'd she shoot ?

If this is true and Tere is Vigi, then we have a godfather that played like there could be cops around, while there are none.
If this is false... GG Tere, I got fooled and luck was on your side.

On February 20 2015 05:55 The Shining wrote:
Zlefin, you seem to be showing suspicion of Trfel. Had him listed null before. He has a very extensive filter, a lot to analyze. There have been reads, pushes, willingness to engage, quick retractions when wrong and reading the thread. This is why I town read him.

With a player with a filter this big, with valid scumhunting, are you still null on him? If so, how? If not, where are you leaning on him?

On February 20 2015 06:27 The Shining wrote:
Zlefin, I asked because you are voting with Trfel by voting Silver. Just wanted to make sure you weren't voting with a scumread. That's just bad.

Wow, Tere, that's a case. Let me get through it, shouldn't be more than 10 mins. On the surface, it looks pretty damning, as some of it echoes thoughts I had on Trfel with my early suspicions.

On February 20 2015 06:46 The Shining wrote:
K, just making sure. And honestly, upon review, I can see how plausible it is. Ugh.

Zlefin I was just explaining why I asked where you stand on Trfel. If you thought he was scum, you'd be voting with your scum read but you don't. Just wanted to make that clear.

On February 20 2015 07:19 Trfel wrote:
To those of you who townread Tere for all of the effort she put in at the start of Day 2, why doesn't that argument work for me, too? It's a good argument or it's a bad argument, you can't pick and choose.

I could make a really good case on Tere. It wouldn't be hard to do. I am fairly good at making convincing cases. The problem is, just because I see a convincing case on someone doesn't make them scum.

Maybe my problem is I am too honest. I'm supposed to lie about how strong I think my reads are. Or maybe the problem is that I'm just terrible at making reads. In that case, you are all even worse for following my reads for a day and a half.

On February 20 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone mind if I go take a nap?

On February 20 2015 07:46 Trfel wrote:
Would it help if I referenced a post or two that shows Tere seeming to enjoy playing scum?

I don't think it would, the point is useless anyway. So I see no use in it.

On February 20 2015 07:46 zlefin wrote:

I wonder who you're talking to,
by my data, trfel is townread by exactly one person, elyas;
scumread by 3 people, and one neutral with a slight scum leaning (me)
and I don't have jarjar's data yet, but hope to soon.

On February 20 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote:


With the understanding that you come back before EoD, right??

Or did you really just tell Trfel to AFK EoD because he said all he had to say.

On February 20 2015 07:57 jarjarbinks wrote:


You have a point here, but most people's cases on silver are because of the lurking which screams mislynch.

Give me time. I might end up doubting my vote and killing the lurker anyways lol

On February 20 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:



Scum slip? Only scum knows set up. Yes, you could argue the RB flip confirms it but Ely is still not confirmed Doc. He might as well be but he isn't. I'm not really sure why you posted this, since its a point we could have all made on our own. Only 2 total setups with both a role blocker and Doctor. No Vigi claim and no N1 shot.

On February 21 2015 21:39 Palmar wrote:
As a fun project, how about everyone that intends to lynch me puts together in their own words a summary as to why I must be mafia. Please demonstrate why my previous actions in this game must necessarily come from mafia.

Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes per player, there is virtually no downside in doing it, and a huge upside (you might dodge a mislynch!)

On February 22 2015 02:05 Palmar wrote:

This is such a monumentally stupid stance to take.

If you follow through with this, and you happen to be town, you will be the most to blame of everyone in the game for this mislynch. You refuse to play the game because you're terrible (or maybe mafia? in which case I'm fine with it).

On February 23 2015 08:15 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop: I really find it telling that Trfel can find better defenses for JJB than JJB can. Originally typed Trfel by mistake.

On February 23 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:


This point is bad. I am not in any danger of being mislynched at this point. Trfel seems to still be leaning strong town on me, Zlefin is very obstinate about us all being town and Palmar being scum, and you and Palmar alone cannot lynch me. And Palmar is only slightly suspicious. Also, being original in being the only one being suspicious of me. So why would he think about you voting me? Its a wasted vote, and a weird point for you to bring up.

On February 23 2015 09:56 The Shining wrote:


I'm done sparing feelings. Bad post is bad. I capitalized the word KNOW for the exact reason you made this post. The sentence is a very clear "I feel stronger about it now that I KNOW I'm right" inferring I didn't know I was right beforehand.

Thank you for paraphrasing what I said but wording it so that it reflects negatively on me.

Trfel, you casing Zlefin? You seem to think JJB isn't the lynch here. You are who I least suspect. If you stick by your hints, I assume you'll be looking into Zlefin.

On February 23 2015 09:47 The Shining wrote:


WTF is this post?! If you feel she's the best lynch, you think she's scum. By poe, you think everyone not her is town. If that's not true, you don't think she's scum. IF YOU DONT THINK SHES SCUM, WTF WERE YOU VOTING HER?!

OK. Be annoyed. I'm not here to coddle you. I'm sorry you feel I misrepresented you. I don't feel that way.

On February 23 2015 10:23 Trfel wrote:
And The Shining, I agree with jarjarbinks, I think you are tunneled on him. If I find a lynch that I think looks better, I just ask you to consider it with an open mind.

And night kills are WIFOM, it will be hard to make any conclusion at all based on it.

On February 23 2015 14:54 Trfel wrote:
This quote looks really weird with a flipped Silverarte.....
Look at these sentences (all from the same quote, stand alone, I just removed the stuff in between. If Silverarte flips, he is setting himself up for pushing Trfel, taking credit for voting scum. And if Trfel flips town, he's setting himself up to push Tere in response.
This post looks bad

Just a few random thoughts from zlefin's filter. I really think that the scum is zlefin, not jarjarbinks. Jarjarbinks has seemed more like town. There is a fair associative case between zlefin and Silverarte as well (notably how hard zlefin tried to avoid having Silverarte drag him down). Look at how zlefin's read on Silverarte changed. First he was suspicious of her for being inactive, then he gave her a cautious town read (which I feel is unwarranted), and then when suspicion picked up on Silverarte, he switched back to scum reading her.

On February 23 2015 14:54 Trfel wrote:
This quote looks really weird with a flipped Silverarte.....
Look at these sentences (all from the same quote, stand alone, I just removed the stuff in between. If Silverarte flips, he is setting himself up for pushing Trfel, taking credit for voting scum. And if Trfel flips town, he's setting himself up to push Tere in response.
This post looks bad

Just a few random thoughts from zlefin's filter. I really think that the scum is zlefin, not jarjarbinks. Jarjarbinks has seemed more like town. There is a fair associative case between zlefin and Silverarte as well (notably how hard zlefin tried to avoid having Silverarte drag him down). Look at how zlefin's read on Silverarte changed. First he was suspicious of her for being inactive, then he gave her a cautious town read (which I feel is unwarranted), and then when suspicion picked up on Silverarte, he switched back to scum reading her.

On February 23 2015 14:58 Trfel wrote:
There doesn't really need to be a case on zlefin. It's really simple.

He's being extremely cautious. His posts seem to be putting in effort to look towny. He is really cautious with his stance on Silverarte. He's always staying under the radar, seeming to scumhunt but never really memorable. One of those alone is not incriminating, but combined? I think he is scum trying to avoid being lynched at all costs.

I'm going to sleep now. Very interested to hear thoughts.

On February 23 2015 08:07 jarjarbinks wrote:


lol there won't be a tomorrow!

You are showing that you are trying, which draws confusion. After some analysis you go ahead and sheep shining's read because it is your only way out from getting lynched. And don't even think I missed that feel question from you before you decided to finally vote for me. You were definitely checking to see if I thought about voting shining, so you can change the way you are making your reads.

On February 24 2015 10:23 Trfel wrote:
Is that really what it is? I thought that the rule in question only applied if it was clear that it would be that way before the day began. Therefore, I think if we have a 1-1-1 split, whoever gets voted for first is the one who is lynched.

That said, we had better have two people on the same target.

On February 24 2015 10:24 jarjarbinks wrote:
Sorry guys, this read analysis is taking me forever. On page 6 of zlefin.

Honestly I think both NK wifom and lych WIFOM are worth more than people credit for. I don't think it's 50/50. Although some people generally have better reads than others. With no real vet exp on Shining, I would have to think that there's a better chance that he was killed for his reads than to draw confusion.

That super long case on me sure has me looking awful here lol

On February 24 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
zlefin

1. We start knowing that zlefin's play is extremely cautious. I feel that his play generally fits what would be expected from an extremely cautious scum.

2. When I read this post at this time, it almost makes me wonder if he is being too suspicious to be town. I'm not sure that a town player in his first game would even consider the possibility of two mafia working together to be town read this early in the game. Any thoughts on this?

3. This post seems to be showing some suspicion to inactivity, which coincidentally includes mafia Silverarte. Note that he says that inactivity seems weird, but is probably not a sign of being scum. This could be a mafia being sure to show some suspicion of a scum buddy, but also being sure not to go too far with it.

4. This post is more of what I referenced in the first post I linked. I don't think it means anything, but I'm still interested in thoughts.

5. I don't know what to make of zlefin's original idea to lynch me for information. It's certainly unique, and I am not sure that scum would naturally think of doing this. That said, it has a good mafia motivation of doing something unique and it can potentially be used as a small excuse to not have better reads.

6. It still seems strange that zlefin asks people what he should do. It feels as if he is trying to make sure that his actions are considered correct by everyone else.

7. If zlefin agreed with my reasons that Hier could be town, why is he not considering finding a scum lynch instead? This seems strange.

8. Zlefin gave Silverarte -1 in his table. This seems a bit suspicious, like he is making sure not to give too much town credit to his scum buddy. It's perfectly fine to leave inactives at null.

9. I don't know what to think about posts like this. Thoughts? (the last one on the page)

10. This feels a bit too self-conscious.

11. I still think that this read on Silverarte is strange, and he seems to provide an incorrect judgement of Silverarte's filter while still leaving a lot of room for interpretation. He leaves a probe for other people's thoughts here, as if he wants to see if he is right. He did not do so for the above post linked about ElyAs.

12. By the time that zlefin made this post, The Shining's filter didn't feel that great. The Shining didn't provide many original reads in this time frame. Zlefin also seems committed to making a read on everyone, which seems odd.

13. This looks like zlefin trying to see if he is too easily connected with Silverarte. And the last sentence doesn't need to be added by a town!zlefin here.

14. Zlefin moved Silverarte from weak town to scum here. Then zlefin probed everyone for scumreads, and as a result, decided to vote for Silverarte. At this point, most everyone was scumreading Silverarte, so for a cautious zlefin, going for the bus here is the safe play and it is justified. Right before this, he probed the entire thread for reads, and he didn't seem to use those reads for anything other than this vote. Zlefin didn't seem to think that I was actually in danger of being lynched, and that is why he stuck to the bus.

15. Zlefin "has to recommend" voting for Silverarte over me. Has to? Bad wording for town!zlefin.

16. This post shows just far zlefin's stance on Silverarte is falling. When he gave her a favorable read earlier.

17. This post suggests that zlefin hasn't been paying attention to flips before this one, didn't realize that vanilla townie was a role, or both. Had zlefin received a vanilla townie role PM, that might have made him more likely to realize that vanilla townie is in fact a role.

18. This wording makes it seem that not only is zlefin going ahead with a pre-day lynch, he is refusing to consider alternatives and is removing himself from blame should it go wrong.

On February 25 2015 13:05 jarjarbinks wrote:
Notes on Zlefin:
General Play: Tends to scumread the average person about 2.35 times compared to townreading them and about 1.5 times more than he defends himself. He made a total of 114 reads on people.

People: Top people he made reads on (proportionally per phase)
1. Hier
2. Silver
3. JJB
4. Tere
5. Trf
6. Rso
7. Shining
8. Ely

I find many things interesting about this. First, look at the top four people, all the lynched people. Also, look at the bottom. His top scumread (at the time before his flip) and townread (at the time before his flip) are AT THE BOTTOM.


His Scum/Townread Ratio:

1. Shining (4)
2. Trf (3.33)
3. Tere (3)
4. Ely (3)
5. Silver (2.33)
6. Me (1.14)
7. Rso (1)
8. Hier (1)

Things that Bother Me (I feel this is much stronger):

1. I generally considered Hier to be on zlefin’s “top scum” list D1 with Rso on his “top town” list D1. Why did he read them the same way?
2. Why would Ely be his top scumread when he made the least amount of reads (per phase) on him? I know Ely wasn’t an active player, but still.
3. Silver was at about the average for the Scum/Townread Ratio, despite being his #2 target for making reads. Which means that he talked about silver a lot, but didn’t really lean to far one way or another (compared to average) on making silver look bad. If I could bold this point I would. It looks like he is making sure he is talking about silver enough, but not scumming her more than he should. Yet he bussed the vote.
4. His top four people (mentioned above) are all guys he wants to lynch. This shows that he isn’t really providing too many reads outside what he absolutely has to. A prime example to follow this up is Day 3 with killing Tere/Palmer.

On February 25 2015 12:21 jarjarbinks wrote:
Posting my case on Trf. I need to go back and fix zlefin's numbers since I last posted and make his case more clear.

Zlef if you are around, please try to answer what Trf did about categories. I think I can generally make solid conclusions here, but I am prone to mistakes. Not giving you the opportunity to alleviate a mistake of mine would be biased and unfair.

On February 25 2015 20:53 zlefin wrote:

I'm unclear what you're asking for here, since you're asking it prior to your other new lengthy posts, so I'm not sure if those factored this in or not.
I'll reread the section to see if I can figure out what you're looking for.

On February 25 2015 13:35 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm off to bed. I will be back about 1-2 hours before EOD. Sorry if this puts things in a bad position, but after work I will come straight home to help answer questions and put general thoughts on Trf's cases. I can't say much to Zlef's to defend myself, so I won't unless he posts another case on me.

On February 25 2015 23:59 Trfel wrote:
Jarjarbinks, some questions for you.

Why is the case that I bused Silverarte weak?
Why does my read analysis look good? Just because of the large number of reads?

My usage of my vote is poor. I haven't been very good at using my vote to pressure, so I mostly just wait until I'm sure who I want to lynch and vote for them then.

Zlefin, in Night 3 you listed the percentages for each player being scum. With Palmar dead, I have the highest remaining percentage. Why did you not vote for me?

On February 26 2015 01:31 Trfel wrote:
Zlefin, I believe that you said that you read all of the TL mafia guides. However, these guides also say that lynching for information is almost always a terrible idea. Several times on day 1 you mentioned lynching for information.

Please explain?

On February 26 2015 09:02 Half the Sky wrote:
GGs everyone.

Credit to JJB for solo rallying.

Nice attempt at the end zflein and Truffles. A lot of analysis and deception on both ends but everyone has positives to build on and lessons learnt, that's the point of all this.

On February 26 2015 09:13 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, apologies to all townies. I tried, I really did.

On February 26 2015 09:18 Trfel wrote:
This is a formal request to all mafia teams to kill me on Night 1. I can do sort of okay on Day 1 but I don't know what to do after that XD