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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Tere is going to discount it as a wall of text. She will call me tunneling, she will call me for paranoia. She will use tone and language to be persuasive. I cannot match her there, but my argument is correct, and I know it. Therefore, read the arguments, keep an open mind, and you will know who is scum. I see no reason to defend myself at the moment. All I have is a scumread on Tere. We have an extra mislynch. For all intents or purposes, Tere or myself will be lynched tomorrow (and no, I'm not going to officially gladiate, that will be stupid). And, I don't care if I die, that will prove that my argument comes from town. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Tere, http://images.clipartpanda.com/smiley-face-with-tongue-sticking-out-jTxE4Kjec.gif | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
Look hard at Trfel's play in the last 24 hours. I'm going to bed. What I am proposing tomorrow, is that we agree to do a Gladiate. Me vs Trfel. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator night night. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
Right now, it's 1AM here and I've got work tomorrow, but I'll be there. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:05 Tere wrote: Set up is: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, 6 Vanilla Townie (from first post) Scum slip? Only scum knows set up. Yes, you could argue the RB flip confirms it but Ely is still not confirmed Doc. He might as well be but he isn't. I'm not really sure why you posted this, since its a point we could have all made on our own. Only 2 total setups with both a role blocker and Doctor. No Vigi claim and no N1 shot. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Scum slip? Only scum knows set up. Yes, you could argue the RB flip confirms it but Ely is still not confirmed Doc. He might as well be but he isn't. I'm not really sure why you posted this, since its a point we could have all made on our own. Only 2 total setups with both a role blocker and Doctor. No Vigi claim and no N1 shot. Nope, sorry but you're wrong. It is the only possible setup from my PoV. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
Tere on the other hand went after Trf randomly after people started noticing Silver was in the game. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:00 Tere wrote: If I'm obvscum, and the last one, why would you have an issue with Gladiating me? Why would I even offer it as an option. Gladiating makes no sense for scum. Because of WIFOM. It makes no sense so why would you offer it? But you're scum and offering it under the defense of thinking scum wouldn't offer it? This is N2 now. No time for WIFOM. We have vote analysis and another NK coming. And I've went from suspicious to getting some townreads today. I don't expect to live through tonight. Scum can't kill Tere, as it helps confirm Trfel. Can't kill Trfel either, as it confirms Tere. Sure, that's also WIFOM but still worth mentioning. The only other viable kill is Ely to get rid of confirmed town, but they could leave him to make us doubt his claim. Risky play though IMO. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:15 jarjarbinks wrote: Was that really a Trf bus? He seemed oddly desperate to kill his own teammate. Granted she was being scumread by a lot of people lol Tere on the other hand went after Trf randomly after people started noticing Silver was in the game. +1. I just really like this post, planned on posting one similar. | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Scum slip? Only scum knows set up. Yes, you could argue the RB flip confirms it but Ely is still not confirmed Doc. He might as well be but he isn't. I'm not really sure why you posted this, since its a point we could have all made on our own. Only 2 total setups with both a role blocker and Doctor. No Vigi claim and no N1 shot. Nah, I just believe ElyAs.  I'm going to bed right now though, worn out. | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:15 ElyAs wrote: Nope, sorry but you're wrong. It is the only possible setup from my PoV. You're the only one who can know if you're confirmed Doctor, friend. I have no reason to doubt your claim. However, I just find it funny that she was the one who pointed out setup to us. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:18 Tere wrote: You can fisticuff me tomorrow if you want, the Shining, that was invigorating It was hehehehe you singlehandedly brought me back into this game. Which I thank you for. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Scum slip? Only scum knows set up. Yes, you could argue the RB flip confirms it but Ely is still not confirmed Doc. He might as well be but he isn't. I'm not really sure why you posted this, since its a point we could have all made on our own. Only 2 total setups with both a role blocker and Doctor. No Vigi claim and no N1 shot. dangit shining, I was all set to be happy with this game and you had to go and say something like this to make me suspect you of being up to something. It's not a scum slip, because elyas is confirmed doctor. roles are revealed on death, so we know we've lost 2 VT and 1 mafia roleblocker. EVERYONE who's still alive in the game has posted after the lynch. Which means if Elyas is lying about being the doctor, then one of the other living players MUST be the blue, and all they have to do is counterclaim and town wins guaranteed by lynching them both. They've already had the opportunity to do so, and did not do so. Which makes Elyas confirmed blue (unless someone somehow didn't realize this, and is a blue, and hasn't counterclaimed yet, in which case, DO SO BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT). The only setup with roleblocker which we know to exist, AND a doctor, has no other blues. So therefore if ANY other player has ANY blue, elyas would have to be lying, which again is the counterclaim and town wins scenario. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 20 2015 09:28 zlefin wrote: dangit shining, I was all set to be happy with this game and you had to go and say something like this to make me suspect you of being up to something. It's not a scum slip, because elyas is confirmed doctor. roles are revealed on death, so we know we've lost 2 VT and 1 mafia roleblocker. EVERYONE who's still alive in the game has posted after the lynch. Which means if Elyas is lying about being the doctor, then one of the other living players MUST be the blue, and all they have to do is counterclaim and town wins guaranteed by lynching them both. They've already had the opportunity to do so, and did not do so. Which makes Elyas confirmed blue (unless someone somehow didn't realize this, and is a blue, and hasn't counterclaimed yet, in which case, DO SO BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT). The only setup with roleblocker which we know to exist, AND a doctor, has no other blues. So therefore if ANY other player has ANY blue, elyas would have to be lying, which again is the counterclaim and town wins scenario. Yes this lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 20 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: It is more than filter length. We have an hour. I'll find some examples of things that made lean town on him, VS overall play. Did you ever come up with a defense for Trf? I can't seem to find it, and I believe I changed my vote with like 20 ish minutes left. I know I did change my vote anyways, but you look more suspicious in my eyes now that you didn't really ever defend your guy lol | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Vote Analysis: On February 19 2015 21:57 Half the Sky wrote: Day 2: Counting Down ElyAs (1): zlefin Silverarte (1): Trfel Tere (1): Trfel (1): Tere Not Voting (3): Silverarte, ElyAs, jarjarbinks Currently, ElyAs is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Preliminary votes of the day. Scum Silver only has 1 vote on her. Its Trfel. That's a really bad bus. But it gets better. On February 20 2015 06:03 Half the Sky wrote: Day 2: Counting Down Trfel (2): Tere, ElyAs Silverarte (2): Trfel, zlefin Tere (1): ElyAs (0): Not Voting (3): Silverarte, jarjarbinks Currently, Trfel is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. So Tere was on Trfel. Stays on Trfel. Keeps pushing him. Continuously leaves herself an open leeway stating Silver is also scum. But really seems dead set and intent on pushing Trfel first. Now at this point, I could maybe still believe Trfel bussing Silver. Until he actively pushes Silver as an alternate lynch to himself instead of Tere. I'm sorry, I don't see scum Trfel bussing his partner AS ROLEBLOCKER WITH A CLAIMED DOC. I would expect scum Trfel to push Tere. Hard. Especially with the early case and suspicions on her. On February 20 2015 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Day 2: This Final Hour Trfel (4): Tere, ElyAs, Silverarte, jarjarbinks Silverarte (3): Trfel, zlefin, The Shining Tere (0): ElyAs (0): Currently, Trfel is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. At this point, scum Trfel IMO would've conceded. Tere got cocky and started throwing gladiating out there once more. Was probably 100% confident in the mislynch going through. What happens? 10 mins before EoD, ElyAs shows up and screws everything up for her. Switches to Silver. JJB goes through Trfels filter, compares it to Silver, she is objectively a much better lynch. Now she's the only one besides Silver on Trfel. If she stays there, the scum team looks so damn obvious they should just concede right then. So she busses Silver. But its too late. Damage is done. IMO, one of the last 2 votes on a scum flip is usually scum bussing to screw vote analysis. Unfortunately for scum Tere, the other of the last 2 votes is claimed Doc. I'm sorry this looks so bad but I'm on a tablet, getting posts out is difficult. Getting them to look pretty is hard. But this needed to be posted before the NK. If town really feels like obliging the Gladiating between Tere and Trfel, I say Tere goes first. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Meh, JJB, I could've easily voted Trfel instead of Silver. I never changed my vote, either. I was more concerned with EoD and last minute shenanies then filter diving yet again my strongest townread. And I'm very well aware of that, Zlefin. If you look, at one point in my filter, I mention that if someone is reading the post and is anything other than Vigi, CLAIM IT. THIS IS BASICALLY MY WAY OF REITERATING THAT. Call it town paranoia but the only things confirmed to me are NK and lynch flips. I've seen bad plays in which a CC that could win town the game never happens and we lose because of it. Now if you look at my vote analysis and reaction to Ely's claim in general, I'm acting and pushing on the belief he is in fact the Doctor. For exactly the reasons you just posted. | ||
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