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I'm going to push Tere. And Tere is going to push me. At the moment, I don't see any other good lynches.
Pretty sure that one of us will die. As for this "gladiating" thing, I maintain that it is stupid. If someone wants to vote for someone else, let them. That gives us more information.
Tere is clearly scum, it's just that simple.
On February 18 2015 14:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 14:23 jarjarbinks wrote:
The multiple posts that "distance" himself from Hier is what got me bent on Elyas being scum. What do you think about those? I count about 3 different distance posts.
I see this two ways:
1: Distances himself. Makes an easy but decent case on zfelin. Talks about maybe Tere being bad, but doesn't really muster an argument. Looks like he's scumhunting when isn't.
2: Actually believes what he says. Waffles on Hier. Makes an easy but decent case on Zfelin and realizes its not super strong. Moves on to Tere, but doesn't make a case due to Shining switching. This is definitely possible, my only problem with this outlook is that Elyas' case on Tere seems lacking compared to the other two cases he already made. The points ring a bit, but do you see how it has less effort? I'll attach it below this post as I still suck at formatting lol
Obviously I originally thought #1 was more likely. Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know your thoughts. I'm sorry, I'm a bit distracted because I think I found something extremely interesting. Unfortunately, it will take some time before I can share, and it's quite likely that I will be proved completely wrong, so no guarantees that you will hear about it again. I see ElyAs' play at End of Day as more like option 2. He stated early on that he was unsure about the Hier lynch. I know it can look scummy, but by no means is it a sure tell (heck, I do that every lynch, if you don't believe me rsoultin already stated that). Maybe his case on Tere took less effort, but that doesn't make him scum. I'll take another look, but I remember his reasoning being acceptable, and that's really what matters. Anyone remember this post? This was when I noticed that a Tere/Silverarte scumteam was actually a realistic possibility.
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Also wanted to point this out.
I made a play in agreeing to kill Trfel tomorrow after Silver today. I wanted to see if that would be enough for Tere to back off of her Trfel push. And it was. Which is odd because she seemed very damn adamant about pushing him first. Once she rrealized there was no way out of Silver being caught, she finally bussed on the agreement that I'd mislynch Trfel tomorrow.
Bad bad bad.
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Well! I came back to see I died.
the happy dagger pierced me true, persuading my heart to stop. =P
Just wanted to say thanks for an enjoyable game and good luck to everyone! Hope to see you all in the next one. =)
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The Shining, after this game, I'm never going to want to lynch you again XD
I'm really looking forward to making this case on Tere. And I'm really tempted to make it in a format that is as difficult to respond to as possible XD
In all seriousness, I will post the case as normal, and then I will post a second version in a format that is simple to respond to if Tere chooses to respond. Conceding is also a reasonable possibility from this position.
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This time I'm comfortable calling out the lynch from the night phase. It's Tere.
The Shining, do you think I should bother actually going through and defending myself? I personally don't want to, but you could convince me to.
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Side note, Tere, thank you very much for motivating me to play the game properly again. The Shining, I think we have something in common.
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Gg Silver, sorry you rolled scum. =P
And Trfel. Lol. At this point, I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I hammered it in with the vote analysis, willing to go more in depth if necessary. I want to see reactions to it, because AFAIC, Tere is tomorrow's lynch.
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On February 20 2015 11:27 The Shining wrote:
Gg Silver, sorry you rolled scum. =P
And Trfel. Lol. At this point, I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I hammered it in with the vote analysis, willing to go more in depth if necessary. I want to see reactions to it, because AFAIC, Tere is tomorrow's lynch. I am making the most massive wall of text in existence on Tere.
Are you going to make a case too? I think it kind of speaks for itself, so it's not actually necessary, but I'm building my case for finality's sake.
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But yeah, get that case out before EoN, if you can. JJB and Zlef both pinging on me for saying Ely isn't confirmed Doctor shows me Tere isn't as clear to them as she is to us.
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On February 20 2015 11:31 The Shining wrote:
But yeah, get that case out before EoN, if you can. JJB and Zlef both pinging on me for saying Ely isn't confirmed Doctor shows me Tere isn't as clear to them as she is to us. Oh, it's definitely coming out before End of Night. Even though me getting night killed is suicide for the mafia (and yes, I guess this is just WIFOM), I'm not taking any risks. I'll get it out as soon as I can (probably early tomorrow afternoon).
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I've been scumming Tere almost non-stop and cased her based on vote analysis.
Honestly, with the way its looking, I won't case her unless I'm asked to. I just feel my stance on her has always been pretty clear.
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On February 20 2015 11:35 The Shining wrote:
I've been scumming Tere almost non-stop and cased her based on vote analysis.
Honestly, with the way its looking, I won't case her unless I'm asked to. I just feel my stance on her has always been pretty clear. Fair enough. That's actually what I was hoping you'd say XD
It really speaks for itself.
Twenty minutes before the lynch deadline, I thought town had absolutely no chance of winning. Now, I think our chances are quite good.
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On February 20 2015 09:46 The Shining wrote:
Wow. Town. Please don't be stupid and start running off with tin foil theories when OBVIOUS SCUM IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
Meh, JJB, I could've easily voted Trfel instead of Silver. I never changed my vote, either. I was more concerned with EoD and last minute shenanies then filter diving yet again my strongest townread.
And I'm very well aware of that, Zlefin. If you look, at one point in my filter, I mention that if someone is reading the post and is anything other than Vigi, CLAIM IT. THIS IS BASICALLY MY WAY OF REITERATING THAT. Call it town paranoia but the only things confirmed to me are NK and lynch flips. I've seen bad plays in which a CC that could win town the game never happens and we lose because of it.
Now if you look at my vote analysis and reaction to Ely's claim in general, I'm acting and pushing on the belief he is in fact the Doctor. For exactly the reasons you just posted.
Got it. For some reason I thought you were set on Silver instead of Trf and wanted to help defend him more.
My bad for misinterpreting the second part there lol
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Honestly, the Silver flip gave me a straight up chub. XD hahahaha jk jk but yeah, I had a good feeling on it once I realized my strongest scumread and my strongest townread were scumming the same person.
Bus too stronk.
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I was set on Trfel and I did want to help defend him, hence why I moved to Silver and pushed for Tere of all people to move to Silver. Did what I could to save my town read. Let me clarify.
Objectively, my vote has just as much likelihood of ending up on Trfel as it did on Silver. However, Trfel was my townread. I couldn't cite a particular post at that moment for why he's giving me warm town fuzzies and it still is somewhat difficult but I'm stuck in the same boat RSo was D1. When he echoes a bunch of thoughts that I have had this game(like the case on Tere) while expanding on them with original points that I didn't make, it shows me its coming from a genuine place. And his best defense, imo, was bringing up the fact that a good majority, if not all, of the parts of Tere's case on him could be equally applied to her. Solid reasonable doubt.
But with an hour or less left at EoD, I thought it was better to be around and watching votes, shenanies, and reactions instead of wasting time being distracted diving Trfel for a "townie" post and coming back to a mislynch or a horrible wagon I couldn't fix.
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EBWOP: Last post is to JJB
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Look. The Shining is the most obvious town in the game by a mile. I have absolutely no doubt about his alignment. I'm almost as sure of it as I am my own.
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Shining, makes sense.
Reading through Tere's filter, it seems like she brings up silverarte regularly in the early game. Her reads went from slight townread to slight scum to thinking silver was in the mafia team. I could see a scum partner doing this, given the lack of posts from silver in the game.
Question in her defense: Do you think silver in her mainish and really only scumread of the game, would go after her mafia partner? If she was struggling to make reads because she mafia, I could see it. But I wouldn't think that would be the smartest strategy for the mafia team there, when I believe the votes were still relatively split.
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On February 20 2015 12:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Shining, makes sense.
Reading through Tere's filter, it seems like she brings up silverarte regularly in the early game. Her reads went from slight townread to slight scum to thinking silver was in the mafia team. I could see a scum partner doing this, given the lack of posts from silver in the game.
Question in her defense: Do you think silver in her mainish and really only scumread of the game, would go after her mafia partner? If she was struggling to make reads because she mafia, I could see it. But I wouldn't think that would be the smartest strategy for the mafia team there, when I believe the votes were still relatively split. Note that she stopped doing it when the votes started being close.
I normally wouldn't expect a mafia Silverarte to bus mafia!Tere that much, but when Silverarte started looking doomed, it stopped. Hm. And, Silverarte's cases on Tere seemed far superior to her cases on other players (though all felt a bit hollow). I will fully explain this in my complete case.
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On February 20 2015 12:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Shining, makes sense.
Reading through Tere's filter, it seems like she brings up silverarte regularly in the early game. Her reads went from slight townread to slight scum to thinking silver was in the mafia team. I could see a scum partner doing this, given the lack of posts from silver in the game.
Question in her defense: Do you think silver in her mainish and really only scumread of the game, would go after her mafia partner? If she was struggling to make reads because she mafia, I could see it. But I wouldn't think that would be the smartest strategy for the mafia team there, when I believe the votes were still relatively split.
It was a progressive read that tanked as time went on and she noticed her activity had waned, not improved. And I fully believe that scum!Tere would tell Silver to have her one made case be on her for this exact reason. Its WIFOM. In the game I scummed with Trfel, he scummed me in his last dying post. We were both scum.
Meh, like I said. Wifom. I don't wanna run myself in circles too much over it. But I do note that Tere's tone is one of confidence and aggression. I believe 100% she is proud enough to think she could win without Silver.
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