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Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 21:57 GMT
#861
I probably should say that my long post wasn't a FOS on Trfel, right now. Just, if he is town, and I think he is, he needs to accept I am doing things in a different way and just get on with it, really.

Looking at his filter, it's so markedly different from his last scum game, and so full of genuine wangst about the correct lynch, I'm finding it hard to do anything but town read him. If he is scum, well done, good game, and fuck you, basically I would be happy to lose to him, which is where I generally put my strong townreads
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 21:58 GMT
#862
Curent absentees from discussion. Silverarte (eep, BBL doesn't count as a prod dodge), Jarjarbinks, The Shining.

I think scum is in two out of three of those right now. Discuss.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 21:59 GMT
#863
[I realise I am being me and getting a bit salty, because I get passionate. I just want to say that if my language offends, please say something in thread, or if you don't feel comfortable with doing that, please say something to the GMs anonymously and they can talk to me. This is a game and nobody should feel uncomfortable or excluded due to language]
Silverarte
Profile Joined December 2014
115 Posts
February 18 2015 22:00 GMT
#864
On February 19 2015 06:58 Tere wrote:
Curent absentees from discussion. Silverarte (eep, BBL doesn't count as a prod dodge), Jarjarbinks, The Shining.

I think scum is in two out of three of those right now. Discuss.


You are wanting to discuss this with me? Or exempting me, but with everyone else? (Also...BBL?)
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 11:08:48
February 18 2015 22:01 GMT
#865
And now back to normal transmission.

It's owl time:

Dear scum:

[image loading]


Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:02 GMT
#866
On February 19 2015 07:00 Silverarte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:58 Tere wrote:
Curent absentees from discussion. Silverarte (eep, BBL doesn't count as a prod dodge), Jarjarbinks, The Shining.

I think scum is in two out of three of those right now. Discuss.


You are wanting to discuss this with me? Or exempting me, but with everyone else? (Also...BBL?)


Be Back Later.

As in, you've been gone over an hour. Get on with it. You are moving down my lynch pile.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 18 2015 22:03 GMT
#867
I've for the most part (aside from the couple posts mentioned a short while ago) liked Tere's responses of late, so I'm giving her a town point;

here's where my point totals are now:
Trfel 0/2
Shining 1/1
rsoultin 1/1 dead town N1
elyas -1/1
jarjar -1/3
tere -1/3
hier 0/2 dead town D1
silver -1/1

as a reminder, not all points area created equal, it simply means I at one time or another had a feel one way or another. Some feels are stronger than others, and I haven't yet figured out a system for letting points decay over time, or if I even should have points decay over time.

I'm going to put this in another format:

Townish: Shining
Neutral: Trfel, Jarjar, tere
Scummish: elyas, silver


Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?
If you could format it similarly to above, so it's easier to read and compare them, please do so.

Jarjar, you seem to like data and tables, would having that data from each player be helpful to you, given that they're merely statements and not votes?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ElyAs
Profile Joined December 2009
France205 Posts
February 18 2015 22:06 GMT
#868
Back for some more time in here.

I want to react to this post :
On February 19 2015 06:47 Tere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 04:15 Trfel wrote:
On February 19 2015 02:25 ElyAs wrote:
For now I see her filter is about suspicion on zlefin and Tere, and generally trying to be amiable to Trfel and rsoultin.
It could be mildly pushing easy lynch targets while being careful of townleaders.
I've been more seriously considering the possibility of Silverarte being scum as well. You beat me to it.

But please, Tere is not, never has been, and probably never will be an easy lynch target. High post count players are rarely easy lynch targets, even if they aren't as sensible and persuasive as Tere is.


Point 1)Dude, as of start of day I was the sole common denominator on everyone's scum lists. That's like the definition of lynchable right there.

Point 2)Right now I think scum are not posting, and are trying to work out what to do now their easy lynches of zlef and myself aren't looking so lynchable. That's why I want to pull back.

I love giving people rope to hang themselves



1) Yup, I was trying Tere's case from Silverarte's PoV. At that point, Tere was far from universally townread and I should check if at the time of Silver's post, Tere had a long filter already.

2) I wanted to say that ! I think they wanted us to destroy ourselves and were sitting back. If that's the case, now that their plan has backfired it could be very interesting.

Now I'm gonna follow up with the same exercise I did on Silverarte with The Shining.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:07 GMT
#869
On February 19 2015 07:02 Tere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 07:00 Silverarte wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:58 Tere wrote:
Curent absentees from discussion. Silverarte (eep, BBL doesn't count as a prod dodge), Jarjarbinks, The Shining.

I think scum is in two out of three of those right now. Discuss.


You are wanting to discuss this with me? Or exempting me, but with everyone else? (Also...BBL?)


Be Back Later.

As in, you've been gone over an hour. Get on with it. You are moving down my lynch pile.


In fairness, when I posted this, I hadn't, for whatever reason had notification of Silverarte's longer post beforehand.

I will go read that.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:17 GMT
#870
On February 19 2015 06:53 Silverarte wrote:
Ok, so I backtracked and caught up and it looks like the most pressing thing right now is to clear my name. So if I'm missing questions, please feel free to point them out and I'll get right on that.

Now first off, I see I wasn't clear about the two bullet question I had. I meant for that to be directed at Tere, who at the time, was not giving us an answer for anything when I posted that. My main hope had been that perhaps I'd be able to one answer from her if not the two. I was obviously not clear and hadn't noticed that at the time.

Now, as for the cases on Tere and Zlefin:
-You've stated it yourself Trfel. This is a newbie game. For all Tere has mountains of experience elsewhere, Zlefin does not and Tere still had more to come. Moreso, it was N1 with all of us metaphorically twiddling our thumbs to wait for the results. We had, as of then, over two more days to figure out who our next lynch was be. With D2 around the corner, my thought was we had time to figure out just what Tere was doing and where Zlefin was going to pop up as. (Speaking of, good job Zle. You stepped up the game on those explanations when you're assigning points).
Now, I agreed with your case. I could have copy/pasted it over or pull over additional information (and am more than happy to break it down), but as I said, we had more time to figure it out.
-I have asked a couple times if anyone's had questions for me. While people have interacted with me, I've not seen many questions until Tere joined us and did that odd play with the bullets. On that note, if anyone has other questions for me now, please feel free to ask.

-If we review where my votes have been. Tere pointed out the way things worked out with Hier and I've explained my thought processes with my previous scum reads. That said, I felt I've been consistent with my reads.

Is this enough to save me this round? Not sure! I'll just have to keep playing and prove I'm town.

(Also, sidenote. Tere? You so made me want to go watch the Beetlejuice movie now.)


Your contibution is noted. That is all I wish to say at this time,
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:21 GMT
#871
Jarjar, you also need to get your butt back into the thread and talk to people.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2015 22:31 GMT
#872
OK, Tere. I have a really big problem with you in that on the surface, your posts look townie, some of your reads and points are original, and you put a lot of effort into your formatting and large WOTs. However, seeing as I'm now your only lynch target, you can see why I'm a bit suspicious of you.

I have a few questions to start you with. ElyAs and myself have been at the bottom of your list for a while. Now you've suddenly bumped him up to town. You also did the same with Zlefin. So who is my latest scum partner for today? You just gonna keep throwing names out there until someone doesn't defend themselves?

And pinging on my defensiveness in my posts. I don't see how this is alignment indicative in any way. If you're saying only scum is defensive, the opposite of that is town just rolls right over and dies without putting up a fight. Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds? "Scum needs to survive, town doesn't." Really? REALLY? If town doesn't survive, how the hell does town win? I'm pretty sure dead town can't scumhunt.

You posted a vote analysis in which every voter except the lynched and JJB were on the wagon. Although I do like the analysis in and of itself, its not necessarily accurate. First off, you misrepresent my push on Zlefin as anything other than a pressure vote, which I've already stated it was. At that time, Zlefin had little to no presence in the thread. You also conveniently made it sound like I just dropped my vote and addressed Trfel's case on me. If you had actually read my defense, my vote and the reasoning for dropping it was explained in that same response to Trfel.

You also conveniently throw in a one-liner about my top townread being RSoultin, IRT the night kill, as if that has some sort of significance. Its been mentioned countless times how RSo was all but confirmed town and townread by basically everyone. Why does my read of her have any more significance than anyone else?

Meh, WOT. Honestly I've been unmotivated this game. It happens any time someone goes AFK or punks out cuz of RNG and gets replaced. Last time(and the only time on TL) it happened to me was Scott replacing a lurker scum!Gumdrop in the last Newbie Mini. Limited experiences with replacements, who all replace unwilling scum members, is giving me a really bad bias here.

If you're town, you're misguided. If you're scum, and I seem to be the only one realistically entertaining this possibility, WP. I'll go ahead and dive Silver, Zlef and ElyAs again for some insight before my mislynch today. Quite frankly, I don't even care if it happens.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:34 GMT
#873
Question I've bolded is in the quote. Read the spoilers.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 19 2015 07:03 zlefin wrote:
I've for the most part (aside from the couple posts mentioned a short while ago) liked Tere's responses of late, so I'm giving her a town point;

here's where my point totals are now:
Trfel 0/2
Shining 1/1
rsoultin 1/1 dead town N1
elyas -1/1
jarjar -1/3
tere -1/3
hier 0/2 dead town D1
silver -1/1

as a reminder, not all points area created equal, it simply means I at one time or another had a feel one way or another. Some feels are stronger than others, and I haven't yet figured out a system for letting points decay over time, or if I even should have points decay over time.

I'm going to put this in another format:

Townish: Shining
Neutral: Trfel, Jarjar, tere
Scummish: elyas, silver


Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?
If you could format it similarly to above, so it's easier to read and compare them, please do so.

Jarjar, you seem to like data and tables, would having that data from each player be helpful to you, given that they're merely statements and not votes?



So, question:
Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?

I would put a mental category above that in. if you are town, you know you are 100% town. I don't think there's any issue in reminding people of that.

Town: Tere
Townish: Trfel, Jarjar, zlefin
Neutral: ElyAs,
Scummish: Silverarte, The Shining

If you want to contrast it to my end of N1 reads, ElyAs has moved up slightly, SilverArte has moved down. I've read the two cases against her. There are other factors, I want to wait for others to post before digging in to that. I think you / zlefin are consistently trying to find his own way newbie, I feel that's a stronger townread.

I am slightly less comfy with Trfel after that weird neggy post, but I am waiting for him to respond, so I haven't moved him yet. He was my strongest townread beforehand.

Where my head currently is anyway.

Anyone got any burning questions? I need to sleep soonish
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:37 GMT
#874
On February 19 2015 07:31 The Shining wrote:
OK, Tere. I have a really big problem with you in that on the surface, your posts look townie, some of your reads and points are original, and you put a lot of effort into your formatting and large WOTs. However, seeing as I'm now your only lynch target, you can see why I'm a bit suspicious of you.

I have a few questions to start you with. ElyAs and myself have been at the bottom of your list for a while. Now you've suddenly bumped him up to town. You also did the same with Zlefin. So who is my latest scum partner for today? You just gonna keep throwing names out there until someone doesn't defend themselves?

And pinging on my defensiveness in my posts. I don't see how this is alignment indicative in any way. If you're saying only scum is defensive, the opposite of that is town just rolls right over and dies without putting up a fight. Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds? "Scum needs to survive, town doesn't." Really? REALLY? If town doesn't survive, how the hell does town win? I'm pretty sure dead town can't scumhunt.

You posted a vote analysis in which every voter except the lynched and JJB were on the wagon. Although I do like the analysis in and of itself, its not necessarily accurate. First off, you misrepresent my push on Zlefin as anything other than a pressure vote, which I've already stated it was. At that time, Zlefin had little to no presence in the thread. You also conveniently made it sound like I just dropped my vote and addressed Trfel's case on me. If you had actually read my defense, my vote and the reasoning for dropping it was explained in that same response to Trfel.

You also conveniently throw in a one-liner about my top townread being RSoultin, IRT the night kill, as if that has some sort of significance. Its been mentioned countless times how RSo was all but confirmed town and townread by basically everyone. Why does my read of her have any more significance than anyone else?

Meh, WOT. Honestly I've been unmotivated this game. It happens any time someone goes AFK or punks out cuz of RNG and gets replaced. Last time(and the only time on TL) it happened to me was Scott replacing a lurker scum!Gumdrop in the last Newbie Mini. Limited experiences with replacements, who all replace unwilling scum members, is giving me a really bad bias here.

If you're town, you're misguided. If you're scum, and I seem to be the only one realistically entertaining this possibility, WP. I'll go ahead and dive Silver, Zlef and ElyAs again for some insight before my mislynch today. Quite frankly, I don't even care if it happens.


Dear town, I could do a point by point right now, but the day is young. It's just another defensive post by The Shining as far as I'm concerned.

The rest of you have at it. I know what I want to say, but scum hate having nothing to make a case against. I'll leave them hanging for a while.

This is my strongest scumread. If you need me to explain why tomorrow, I'll do it. In the meantime, lame post is lame. Try scumhunting. Oh wait, you can't. Nighty night.

The two people I would shoot right now are The Shining and Silverarte.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2015 22:37 GMT
#875
For Zlefin:

Townish: Trfel, me.
Null:JJB, Silver, Zlef(diving these filters + Ely right now)
Scummy: Tere rescinded Ely too fast off of one post, considering it was your other strong scumread besides me. So Tere - ElyAs
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:40 GMT
#876
The Shining, if you feel that strongly, you should put a wagon on me.

Or wanna gladiate? That would be awesome.

I would be totally up for gladiating <3

Sweet dreams...
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2015 22:42 GMT
#877
Lol don't even care. 3 TL games, 2 replacements. I'm out. Never playing a newbie again.

Tere - ElyAs for endgame cred.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:43 GMT
#878
AFKing your wincon is lame and I will lynch your ass. Just saying.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2015 22:43 GMT
#879
Oh and I did. I'll afk it, too. More points for your scumread. <3
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 18 2015 22:44 GMT
#880
Also fuck you for ad hominem. There are good players here.

Double fuck yous if by some miracle you aren't scum.

If you are, apologise for that in end game.
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