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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 22:40 GMT
#1221
Also, why does the "this is a really skilled scum player, so you can ignore all of the things they do that seem towny" argument work against me but not Tere? Is it not obvious that Tere is really good at this game?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 22:44 GMT
#1222
Tere.

Current lynch aside. You have a new perspective and a new set of experiences that I don't think is similar to that of many people on this site.

Assume for a moment that I am town. Can you please tell me what I should do to improve my play for next game?

And yes, this is a serious question. I'm always looking to improve.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 22:45 GMT
#1223
It doesn't Trfel. How many times do I have to imply that I'm still torn on Tere the way I'm torn on you? Her case, albeit a good, big long one, isn't particularly spectacular in the sense that, as you've mentioned, a lot of her points could be used against her, as well. I'm not seeing any definitive proof that what makes you scummy doesn't also make her scummy.

And fwiw, simply googling "Tere Mafia Forum" pulled up a few different sites with the name Tere and active or past Mafia games. I'm not a fan of using meta in a Newbie game, since none of us really have any big meta examples to go off of, but if I could easily find games on other sites with players named Tere, I can't immediately accept Trfel is lying.

I'd have to dive these non-TL games for Tere's meta and I don't think anyone here really needs that here.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 19 2015 22:46 GMT
#1224
On February 20 2015 07:19 Trfel wrote:
To those of you who townread Tere for all of the effort she put in at the start of Day 2, why doesn't that argument work for me, too? It's a good argument or it's a bad argument, you can't pick and choose.

I could make a really good case on Tere. It wouldn't be hard to do. I am fairly good at making convincing cases. The problem is, just because I see a convincing case on someone doesn't make them scum.

Maybe my problem is I am too honest. I'm supposed to lie about how strong I think my reads are. Or maybe the problem is that I'm just terrible at making reads. In that case, you are all even worse for following my reads for a day and a half.

I wonder who you're talking to,
by my data, trfel is townread by exactly one person, elyas;
scumread by 3 people, and one neutral with a slight scum leaning (me)
and I don't have jarjar's data yet, but hope to soon.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 22:46 GMT
#1225
Would it help if I referenced a post or two that shows Tere seeming to enjoy playing scum?

I don't think it would, the point is useless anyway. So I see no use in it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 22:47 GMT
#1226
Um, ElyAs is voting for me. Zlefin, your data is wrong.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 19 2015 22:48 GMT
#1227
Here's what vanilla town me (it was a mountainous with no roles) says about my very lame scum game.

http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=215977&postcount=374

The most pertinent to this discussion is the first link:

"I am a terrible scum player and hate being scum. The only two times I've been it I was genuinely bonkers busy (should have subbed out really) and got lynched for non-contribution and then the other time I was Don and no-one bloody read me and I got vigged or something. So yeah, if I was being pushed for a list of reads as scum I'd find it hard."

Here's my flip: http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=186940&postcount=549

Trfel is lying.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 22:48 GMT
#1228
On February 20 2015 07:46 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2015 07:19 Trfel wrote:
To those of you who townread Tere for all of the effort she put in at the start of Day 2, why doesn't that argument work for me, too? It's a good argument or it's a bad argument, you can't pick and choose.

I could make a really good case on Tere. It wouldn't be hard to do. I am fairly good at making convincing cases. The problem is, just because I see a convincing case on someone doesn't make them scum.

Maybe my problem is I am too honest. I'm supposed to lie about how strong I think my reads are. Or maybe the problem is that I'm just terrible at making reads. In that case, you are all even worse for following my reads for a day and a half.

I wonder who you're talking to,
by my data, trfel is townread by exactly one person, elyas;
scumread by 3 people, and one neutral with a slight scum leaning (me)
and I don't have jarjar's data yet, but hope to soon.


Um, last thing I saw from ElyAs makes me think he's scumming Trfel, considering he believed "option 1" in his setup cases was most likely. Option 1 had Trfel as Godfather. I think I'm actually the only one towning Trfel right now...
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 19 2015 22:48 GMT
#1229
On February 20 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone mind if I go take a nap?

no, in fact I encourage you to. Getting enough sleep is very important for activites like this, and all you need to say for this thread you've already said. Go, rest, relax, recover.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 19 2015 22:50 GMT
#1230
However I am good with killing Silver or Trfel, as long as we kill the other one next.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 19 2015 22:50 GMT
#1231
Wow...

Trfel late defense is what i'd expect from scum Trfel with a chance to survive.

I need to filter dive Trfel. I still have an hour right?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 19 2015 22:51 GMT
#1232
On February 20 2015 07:46 Trfel wrote:
Would it help if I referenced a post or two that shows Tere seeming to enjoy playing scum?

I don't think it would, the point is useless anyway. So I see no use in it.

my apologies, I mistyped.
EBWOP for the post trfel was referreing to, I meant Tere, not Trfel
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 19 2015 22:52 GMT
#1233
I'm voting Trfel right now. I think I have an hour...right? lol

Shining you are really townreading Trf? Because of filter length?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 19 2015 22:52 GMT
#1234
On February 20 2015 07:46 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2015 07:19 Trfel wrote:
To those of you who townread Tere for all of the effort she put in at the start of Day 2, why doesn't that argument work for me, too? It's a good argument or it's a bad argument, you can't pick and choose.

I could make a really good case on Tere. It wouldn't be hard to do. I am fairly good at making convincing cases. The problem is, just because I see a convincing case on someone doesn't make them scum.

Maybe my problem is I am too honest. I'm supposed to lie about how strong I think my reads are. Or maybe the problem is that I'm just terrible at making reads. In that case, you are all even worse for following my reads for a day and a half.

I wonder who you're talking to,
by my data, trfel is townread by exactly one person, elyas;
scumread by 3 people, and one neutral with a slight scum leaning (me)
and I don't have jarjar's data yet, but hope to soon.

to clarify, this is the post I'm EBWOP'ing,
I meant to say tere here, not trfel, in the quoted post.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 22:52 GMT
#1235
On February 20 2015 07:48 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone mind if I go take a nap?

no, in fact I encourage you to. Getting enough sleep is very important for activites like this, and all you need to say for this thread you've already said. Go, rest, relax, recover.


With the understanding that you come back before EoD, right??

Or did you really just tell Trfel to AFK EoD because he said all he had to say.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 22:53 GMT
#1236
On February 20 2015 07:50 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow...

Trfel late defense is what i'd expect from scum Trfel with a chance to survive.

I need to filter dive Trfel. I still have an hour right?
What would you expect from Trfel who has been carrying town on his back for one and a half days, and now is getting lynched and there are townies who don't even listen to him?

Here's a hint, it would look a whole lot like my posting for the last couple of hours.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 19 2015 22:54 GMT
#1237
you have about an hour jarjar; though I have to recommend a Silver vote over Trfel.
According to Tere's theory, Trfel and Silver are the two scum.
So if she's right, silver is scum.
If she's wrong, there's viewpoints from other people that still point to Silver being scum.
So Silver is more likely to be scum than Trfel, so better to vote Silver.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 19 2015 22:54 GMT
#1238
On February 20 2015 07:50 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow...

Trfel late defense is what i'd expect from scum Trfel with a chance to survive.

I need to filter dive Trfel. I still have an hour right?


Yup, just over an hour.

I am eating but here, I will get my case out on Silver before EOD, but if I don't eat now I'll keel over.

I am also grumpy for having to take that forum off ignore. Love the people, but playing mafia with them drives me potty. Also I still have scars from that damn mountainous game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 22:54 GMT
#1239
On February 20 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2015 07:48 zlefin wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone mind if I go take a nap?

no, in fact I encourage you to. Getting enough sleep is very important for activites like this, and all you need to say for this thread you've already said. Go, rest, relax, recover.


With the understanding that you come back before EoD, right??

Or did you really just tell Trfel to AFK EoD because he said all he had to say.
As much as I want to just leave, I can't get myself to. If I went to sleep now, it would really mess with my sleep schedule, anyway.

I guess I'll just wait for Silverarte to post, and it'll probably be horrible, and I'll probably tear it apart.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 19 2015 22:55 GMT
#1240
On February 20 2015 07:53 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2015 07:50 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow...

Trfel late defense is what i'd expect from scum Trfel with a chance to survive.

I need to filter dive Trfel. I still have an hour right?
What would you expect from Trfel who has been carrying town on his back for one and a half days, and now is getting lynched and there are townies who don't even listen to him?

Here's a hint, it would look a whole lot like my posting for the last couple of hours.


lol if your town you have every right to rant much harder than you already have.

If you are scum though, you have played a very good scum game. Props on that one lol
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