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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 17 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote: Zlefin, I don't know, man. Asking who to vote for in thread is weird. It's a newbie game; you have someone to talk to if you're not sure how to play. You just seem super reluctant about this Hier lynch. If you don't think it's right, then I don't understand what you're doing right now. I tend to be a cautious person in general, so it's probably just that you're hearing. I think Hier is about 65% chance of town; so better than an RNG lynch, though hardly a great choice. When I asked who to vote for, I gave a good reason for asking, so that should be fine. I know how to play, but encouraging discussion is good, and I wanted to hear from the other players on the question. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 17 2015 07:22 zlefin wrote: I tend to be a cautious person in general, so it's probably just that you're hearing. I think Hier is about 65% chance of town; so better than an RNG lynch, though hardly a great choice. When I asked who to vote for, I gave a good reason for asking, so that should be fine. I know how to play, but encouraging discussion is good, and I wanted to hear from the other players on the question. And did you get anything from it? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
lol I am male. He. Whatever. It's something so trivial and unimportant to finding scum that I don't bother taking away from the convo trying to correct it anymore. XD Yes, early, I'm suspicious of you, Trfel. You opened the game. Last game you opened, you were scum. However, you just scumread for me for why I was "lol scumreading" myself. Looking at myself and my filter objectively, I can see where you're coming from. However, it could come from town OR a scum taking advantage of a weak case. Now to address your case: - Your first bullet. I nulled you. The fact that you could make that opening as scum or town is WIFOM, but I believe Ely leaned town on you for it. Or at least said he wouldn't lynch you for it. I was simply saying I wouldn't town you for it. It isn't so much the fact that you rolled scum last game, but the fact that you rolled scum with me last game and I watched your play D1. Before my last post, I was seeing a few similarities in play but since then(your case on me included), your thoughts and pushes seem to be coming from town Trfel. - Your second bullet. RSo is the only person here except maybe JJB that I've played more than 1 or 2 games with. Quite a few on another site and she has been in each one I've been in here. I personally haven't seen her scum game here on TL yet so everything I have on her leads to a town RSo read. A scum RSo is a lot less confident in pushes and engaging. Not to mention, the emoticons, willingness to talk and engage and think things through, reads exactly like her other town games here, at least to me. - Your third bullet. Pressure push. I very clearly stated that I would be around before EoD and that my vote was where it was at for the time being. Zlefin was not talking and posting outside of those early posts. While I don't believe my case held enough water to be an actual D1 lynch, I do believe in the points I made and really wanted to see Zlef in the thread. The less people post, the less you have to analyze. I also did this to ElyAs, without the vote. I was trying to keep the lower activity players posting. Mentioning WIFOM and game voting rules are not alignment indicative. However, posts like that are not actively trying to solve the game, which is what I want to see more of. And thank you for answering your own question. There were no Zlefin posts between those 3 posts. A lurker will ignore posts if they're uncomfortable or don't know how to answer them. A vote might put some motivation into them. A vote can also be used as an information gathering tool and pressure instead of just a "I WANT TO KILL THIS GUY" vote. But if I don't push it as if it's real, it doesn't gain any traction and the play goes nowhere. And that last part of your case. My god, take a joke. "I'd scum you if I hadn't actually read the post." I actually did read the post and found a few townie points in it. It was a joke implying all walls of texts are scum-based when they are obviously not. I myself have a WOT playstyle. Also, bringing this over from the voting thread: ##Unvote Zlefin has a presence now and I haven't caught up on anything else since I saw Trfel's case on me so I'll be doing that now. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Hier
2391 Posts
On February 17 2015 06:46 Tere wrote: Well, jarjar, this is what I've got, it's not really a question, is it. It kinda bugs me that Hier's repeatedly refused to answer questions even when reposted, that's not town helpful at all IMO. But on the basis that it might be helpful for you also, I can have a stab. I'm reaching out and trying to engage with as many people as possible. On Day 1 locked townreads are very hard but it's important for me to reach out and try to understand people and see if we can work together. I wouldn't call it town block, but a lot of my initial work goes on understanding tone and getting the feel for how people play - even more important when I have no meta and you are all unknowns IMO. I've read through the thread to catch up and I've gone through all the filters and posted my thoughts on them (I am feeling better about you BTW) I've considered whether or not I am tunnelling (I don't think I am!). I've asked Hier to come back into the thread and talk to us rather than tunnelling on my scumread. I've asked Hier for alternate evidence as to playstyle so I can triangulate with known town in case he's just rubbing me up the wrong way and it's a playstyle clash. I've considered the cases for the alternate wagons and thought of alternatives. I just don't like any of them more than where I have my vote right now. Would anything else be helpful for you? Same question for Hier? This was weak, and contradictory. The very first line of your very first game-related post was you voting to have me lynched. You did not try and "reach out to me" and "engage" with me, as you have put it. You came in as scum, saw a town player having a lot of votes, and auto-voted. It's really that simple. I have said you were a scumread for me, and, as per your request to clarify, I have explained why; it has partially to do with your case against me. To you that's tunnelling. This is at least the second time you are hiding behind the word "playstyle". Anything that seems amiss about your play you attribute to your personal playstyle, thinking it successfully defends against accusations. But, as promised, I will answer your question you wanted answered at the time of the agreement: Yes, I have always intended to use the Bridges method, after having pointed out that insubordination is part of its intentionally limiting design. Naturally, being the only person to oblige by its rules is meaningless, because the Bridges is meant to be a play method, not an explicit set of rules each individual is meant to follow. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
I think a wagon could be made for zlefin, although now I am the only vote on it. It seems like multiple people suspect him, but Hier more. I am willing to change my vote to make it mean something, I will keep it on Zle for now Shinings reads right now could be helpful. He is around it seems. Elyas, thanks for the response, if you have insight on other players that could be helpful, please share! | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
Who would you push for right now? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 17 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote: Who do you really want to vote for, Zle? If you were a vigilante, had a day shot, and could take someone out without anyone else's input, who would it be and why? I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently: Trfel 0/2 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 tere hier 0/2 silver -1/1 which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
On February 17 2015 07:25 Hier wrote: This was weak, and contradictory. The very first line of your very first game-related post was you voting to have me lynched. You did not try and "reach out to me" and "engage" with me, as you have put it. You came in as scum, saw a town player having a lot of votes, and auto-voted. It's really that simple. I have said you were a scumread for me, and, as per your request to clarify, I have explained why; it has partially to do with your case against me. To you that's tunnelling. This is at least the second time you are hiding behind the word "playstyle". Anything that seems amiss about your play you attribute to your personal playstyle, thinking it successfully defends against accusations. But, as promised, I will answer your question you wanted answered at the time of the agreement: Yes, I have always intended to use the Bridges method, after having pointed out that insubordination is part of its intentionally limiting design. Naturally, being the only person to oblige by its rules is meaningless, because the Bridges is meant to be a play method, not an explicit set of rules each individual is meant to follow. Dude, you are my scumread, and I posted first in to put thoughts down having read the 15 pages or whatever it was. It's quite clear from my post above that my motivation is to engage most with my townreads initially. If you don't like that play, I really don't care to be honest. I think you've been given ample opportunity to reach out and attempt to engage, I certainly feel I have reached out to you to bring you back in, and all I see for it is OMGUS, refusal to answer requestions, and blatent misrepresentation of other people. I see you are also claiming you are going to hang on to your method regardless of any town consensus on perceived utility. The only reason I can see for this is to get out of doing any other reads. No likey. You can try answering the other stuff now if you like. Including whether you are having fun. I asked it for a reason. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 17 2015 07:37 zlefin wrote: I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently: Trfel 0/2 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 tere hier 0/2 silver -1/1 which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on. It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point? | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 17 2015 07:42 jarjarbinks wrote: It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point? I'm not sure, I'd have to look back through my own filter, at least for trf's case. I probably did it in response to something someone said, in which case I probably said something in thread about that, at least to agree with their concern. For silver, I'm just unsatisfied with his late posting, his explanation is reasonable, and could be the case, but I still don't like it. I was waiting to hear his explanations for not posting real life day 1 before dinging him a point (especially since until he posted, I thought he was gonna get replaced). | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
If not, guess I'll work on a different method of record - beginning to see why filter skimming is the quickest route in this format. | ||
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