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Well, I'm not gonna push for a Tere lynch today.
Just saw The Shining's post. Guess we are lynching Hier.
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On February 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:
JJB, what has you so sure that Hier is town?
It isn't that I 100% believe he's town. It's that he has 6 votes on him. He IS suspicious, I give you that. I wanted to vote him if he actually meant that he's still somehow sticking to his bridges plan when no one else is doing it lol
Maybe it was that you started the wagon on him but it just seems like EVERYONE is against him, and that makes me wonder. Parts of his posts make me think he is town, and is just angry that everyone is against him.
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On February 17 2015 08:39 The Shining wrote:
Sry guys, on mobile, I had to go to my moms and its really hard to read on my phone. =/ Went and voted for Hier in voting thread, sheeping my town read honestly.
Unfortunate. Looking forward to your reads later on.
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On February 17 2015 08:44 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:
JJB, what has you so sure that Hier is town? It isn't that I 100% believe he's town. It's that he has 6 votes on him. He IS suspicious, I give you that. I wanted to vote him if he actually meant that he's still somehow sticking to his bridges plan when no one else is doing it lol Maybe it was that you started the wagon on him but it just seems like EVERYONE is against him, and that makes me wonder. Parts of his posts make me think he is town, and is just angry that everyone is against him.
Why do you think Zlefin is the better lynch? Sometimes scum does buss in these scenarios, but I'd be lying if I said I was fully comfortable with a landslide vote like this, especially on Day 1.
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On February 17 2015 08:41 ElyAs wrote:
Well, I'm not gonna push for a Tere lynch today.
Just saw The Shining's post. Guess we are lynching Hier.
Are you scumreading Tere?
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Day 1: This Final Hour
Hier (6): rsoultin, Silverarte, ElyAs, Tere, Trfel, Zlefin, The Shining
zlefin (1): The Shining, jarjarbinks
Tere (1): Hier
rsoultin (0) Hier
Currently, Hier is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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Not really, I was reading her filter and the image I get is town. I should have said "If Hier flips town, I'll read Tere's posts on a different angle to see if I find something else"
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Looks like Hier did vote Tere o.0 I didn't notice when that happened though.
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On February 17 2015 08:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 08:44 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:
JJB, what has you so sure that Hier is town? It isn't that I 100% believe he's town. It's that he has 6 votes on him. He IS suspicious, I give you that. I wanted to vote him if he actually meant that he's still somehow sticking to his bridges plan when no one else is doing it lol Maybe it was that you started the wagon on him but it just seems like EVERYONE is against him, and that makes me wonder. Parts of his posts make me think he is town, and is just angry that everyone is against him. Why do you think Zlefin is the better lynch? Sometimes scum does buss in these scenarios, but I'd be lying if I said I was fully comfortable with a landslide vote like this, especially on Day 1.
Zlefin was my top scumtarget before and I haven't exactly liked his responses lately too. Putting a point system together is something I thought of doing before (with votes instead of posts) but it seems like he is just adding and subtracting points and not informing us why he is doing it. Anyone can add and subtract points, and you don't even need to make reads to do it.
I voted for him and still have it there because:
1: Switching to Hier right now is pointless and doesn't change the game at all
2: I wanted to provide a possible counterwagon in case other people had doubts on Hier like me.
3. Other people thought zlefin's play has been suspicious
4. I think Zlefin is scum.
I hate outliers, so being alone on this is bothersome.
Rsoultin: I asked Hier a question on sticking to his bridge theory about a page ago, ill re-pull it up. What do you think he was saying there?
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On February 17 2015 07:25 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 06:46 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:55 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 05:50 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:48 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 05:42 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here. Are you going to answer my question? Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun? Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment? I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote. You voted for me in one post, and claimed that I could be a town player and that we need to look for counterwagons in your very next post. Sounds to me like even you thought your case against me was weak. That's called wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it makes you feel better, you are making me more confident on my scumread every time you post. Now are you going to answer my question? In turn, your innocence fades with each of yours. Why don't you convince me that you are town, and I will answer your question (which you'll have to repost). Well, jarjar, this is what I've got, it's not really a question, is it. It kinda bugs me that Hier's repeatedly refused to answer questions even when reposted, that's not town helpful at all IMO. But on the basis that it might be helpful for you also, I can have a stab. I'm reaching out and trying to engage with as many people as possible. On Day 1 locked townreads are very hard but it's important for me to reach out and try to understand people and see if we can work together. I wouldn't call it town block, but a lot of my initial work goes on understanding tone and getting the feel for how people play - even more important when I have no meta and you are all unknowns IMO. I've read through the thread to catch up and I've gone through all the filters and posted my thoughts on them (I am feeling better about you BTW) I've considered whether or not I am tunnelling (I don't think I am!). I've asked Hier to come back into the thread and talk to us rather than tunnelling on my scumread. I've asked Hier for alternate evidence as to playstyle so I can triangulate with known town in case he's just rubbing me up the wrong way and it's a playstyle clash. I've considered the cases for the alternate wagons and thought of alternatives. I just don't like any of them more than where I have my vote right now. Would anything else be helpful for you? Same question for Hier? This was weak, and contradictory. The very first line of your very first game-related post was you voting to have me lynched. You did not try and "reach out to me" and "engage" with me, as you have put it. You came in as scum, saw a town player having a lot of votes, and auto-voted. It's really that simple. I have said you were a scumread for me, and, as per your request to clarify, I have explained why; it has partially to do with your case against me. To you that's tunnelling. This is at least the second time you are hiding behind the word "playstyle". Anything that seems amiss about your play you attribute to your personal playstyle, thinking it successfully defends against accusations. But, as promised, I will answer your question you wanted answered at the time of the agreement: Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:56 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:17 Tere wrote:Out of interest, are you still intending to follow your Bridges strategy? (bold mine) On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it. ^ Yes, I have always intended to use the Bridges method, after having pointed out that insubordination is part of its intentionally limiting design. Naturally, being the only person to oblige by its rules is meaningless, because the Bridges is meant to be a play method, not an explicit set of rules each individual is meant to follow.
Does he mean that he is still using the method? I think his vote proves otherwise, unless he made his one-time switch.
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On February 17 2015 08:54 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 07:25 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 06:46 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:55 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 05:50 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:48 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 05:42 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here. Are you going to answer my question? Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun? Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment? I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote. You voted for me in one post, and claimed that I could be a town player and that we need to look for counterwagons in your very next post. Sounds to me like even you thought your case against me was weak. That's called wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it makes you feel better, you are making me more confident on my scumread every time you post. Now are you going to answer my question? In turn, your innocence fades with each of yours. Why don't you convince me that you are town, and I will answer your question (which you'll have to repost). Well, jarjar, this is what I've got, it's not really a question, is it. It kinda bugs me that Hier's repeatedly refused to answer questions even when reposted, that's not town helpful at all IMO. But on the basis that it might be helpful for you also, I can have a stab. I'm reaching out and trying to engage with as many people as possible. On Day 1 locked townreads are very hard but it's important for me to reach out and try to understand people and see if we can work together. I wouldn't call it town block, but a lot of my initial work goes on understanding tone and getting the feel for how people play - even more important when I have no meta and you are all unknowns IMO. I've read through the thread to catch up and I've gone through all the filters and posted my thoughts on them (I am feeling better about you BTW) I've considered whether or not I am tunnelling (I don't think I am!). I've asked Hier to come back into the thread and talk to us rather than tunnelling on my scumread. I've asked Hier for alternate evidence as to playstyle so I can triangulate with known town in case he's just rubbing me up the wrong way and it's a playstyle clash. I've considered the cases for the alternate wagons and thought of alternatives. I just don't like any of them more than where I have my vote right now. Would anything else be helpful for you? Same question for Hier? This was weak, and contradictory. The very first line of your very first game-related post was you voting to have me lynched. You did not try and "reach out to me" and "engage" with me, as you have put it. You came in as scum, saw a town player having a lot of votes, and auto-voted. It's really that simple. I have said you were a scumread for me, and, as per your request to clarify, I have explained why; it has partially to do with your case against me. To you that's tunnelling. This is at least the second time you are hiding behind the word "playstyle". Anything that seems amiss about your play you attribute to your personal playstyle, thinking it successfully defends against accusations. But, as promised, I will answer your question you wanted answered at the time of the agreement: On February 17 2015 05:56 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:17 Tere wrote:Out of interest, are you still intending to follow your Bridges strategy? (bold mine) On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it. ^ Yes, I have always intended to use the Bridges method, after having pointed out that insubordination is part of its intentionally limiting design. Naturally, being the only person to oblige by its rules is meaningless, because the Bridges is meant to be a play method, not an explicit set of rules each individual is meant to follow. Does he mean that he is still using the method? I think his vote proves otherwise, unless he made his one-time switch.
That part of his post reads both ways to me -_- and I think there's no way to tell if he plans to continue using it or not unless he's not lynched today, because it would begin with the first vote, wouldn't it? It's like a slightly more complicated form of RNG lynching.
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On February 17 2015 08:51 rsoultin wrote:
Looks like Hier did vote Tere o.0 I didn't notice when that happened though.
You posted this
On February 17 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I'm feeling the meh on Hier myself. I think he's most likely mafia based on today's play, but almost everything he's done I can see from frustrated, tunneled town.
I think the main reason I'm fine keeping the lynch where it is...is he claimed to be trying to help town (while martyring on the lynch situation), but I"m not seeing the reads or analysis that would do that. He also seems to be leaning more toward Tere as scum but isn't voting her...he should be trying to push her lynch and leading the way with it.
He posted his vote 12 mins later.
On February 17 2015 08:17 Hier wrote:
##unvote
##vote Tere
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Ah, lol >< well, that makes sense.
Is anyone down for shenannies? I just want to see if it's possible.
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I don't like shennannies, but 7 people on Hier is too much.
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On February 17 2015 08:57 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 08:51 rsoultin wrote:
Looks like Hier did vote Tere o.0 I didn't notice when that happened though. You posted this Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I'm feeling the meh on Hier myself. I think he's most likely mafia based on today's play, but almost everything he's done I can see from frustrated, tunneled town.
I think the main reason I'm fine keeping the lynch where it is...is he claimed to be trying to help town (while martyring on the lynch situation), but I"m not seeing the reads or analysis that would do that. He also seems to be leaning more toward Tere as scum but isn't voting her...he should be trying to push her lynch and leading the way with it. He posted his vote 12 mins later.
Prob why he didn't want to bring attention to it. Is it alignment indicative?
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Too late already really.
Well, Hier, if you're town, hopefully your coach will have some good feedback for you...and apologies in advance.
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I'm not shenannieing. It doesn't end well IMO.
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EPT
