EPTSilver's definitely feel more helpful, and somewhat contentful. I'd also like to hear other's reactions to this assessment.
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
Silver's definitely feel more helpful, and somewhat contentful. I'd also like to hear other's reactions to this assessment. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
 (n.b. the Student Mafia game is actually a game I read all the way through when shopping this site, so I've read both that way and filter diving. I read fast and hard when reading meta rather than obsessing and meeting a wall of information overload, so it's mainly a tonal read, which should be no surprise to anyone right now)This is where my head is at, towny to scummy. Towny Tere I'm the towniest town who ever towned, so pfft! rsoultin I am still liking her relaxed approach. Reading the other game where she is town, the filter flow is very very similar. There might be confbias there because in some ways her approach is quite similar to mine, but I am comfortable with her and happy to work with her. Trfel - I am still OK with a towny read on Trfel. I thought his push and case building on me was good, and his response to my response was also nice and relaxed. I like that he's holding back from a hard scumpush on me despite reservations and that he's still quite comfortable to reach out and engage with me. I had a read through his town and scum filters and this filter reads to me far more like his town filter than his scum one. His scum one was all about attempting to find lynch targets (read anyone else but him, lol, at least on a skim through), his conftown filter and this current filter feel much more like trying to solve the puzzle. I am happy to work with him. Leaning town, don't lynch for now Jarjarbinks. Jarjar still has a free and easy quality I like in his posts - plus to a certain extent I am giving my townread rsoultin's opinion on her brother some credence. Looking at his filter from when he was town before, there's quite a few similarities - the main difference is less emphasis on probability, which I see if anything as town positive - an attempt to change play to be more understandable to others based on given feedback. I think he could reach out a little more but overall I'm liking what I am seeing here. zlefin: As you can see, zlefin has gone up several notches in my estimation. I feel that he is trying to modify his play to make it more understandable to others and is taking care now to explain his points system. I feel he is working towards the goal of solving the game. I liked that he was comfortable stepping up to me and giving his reads, that's a relaxed stance that I would not expect from newbie scum in their first game despite the coaching support. There's lots of little tells that have made me feel better about him in the last few hours that have felt unforced. Silverarte: I feel quite a bit better about her having read her Cop first game - I feel there's enough similarities with her availability and posting style to calm any qualms about that being an excuse and skating. When she's had the opportunity to contribute I feel she has done so in a town positive way. Lynchpool for tomorrow: OK, here's where my two bullets would go: ElyAs: - I really liked what zlefin said about his filter feeling empty, I think that's a really good way to phrase it. He's focussed on what now could I think be seen as the two easy mislynch targets, but given himself room to back away if needed. Very little of what he has saying has been impactful for me. This is a filter I will be looking hard at tomorrow, if I have the chance. The Shining: If I had but one bullet, it would go here. I disliked his intro, and, while I thought there were a few positive posts day 1, I felt his defensive post looked, well, defensive. His response to Trfel's case on him looked a bit better but I wouldn't town read him for it, scum need to survive, town don't. I've seen very little else from him that has stuck in my mind. He moved his vote very late to sheep... someone? He's contributed almost nothing in the night phase. I would be looking hard at him tomorrow. Anyway, I need to take a nap, and might not be back before daybreak, but that's OK, I've concluded enough for what I need to do this evening | ||
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Trfel
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Yeah, you're going to be my filter dive before EoN, getting on that now. I'm here, questions for me? Other than who my top 2 scumreads are, which I won't divulge until after EoN? The question I did see towards me was who I was sheeping when I switched votes. That was RSoultin. And I still think she's town and believed in her case against him, as did I. Silver was the 2nd vote on him and although her posts are long and she seems active to engage, that does nothing for me alignment-wise and it doesn't escape me that vote analysis-wise, it could be scum helping push a mislynch. Not scumreading Silver but definitely want to look into her filter, too. It was an early vote that I feel came before she really had a presence in the thread. And yeah there's a LOT for me to still catch up on, I only read through everything once. Filter time. | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
Night night. Bedwards I go, it was a late night last night. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
So what exactly changed your mind about me? You say things you brought up about me are scummy. But see some real scumhunting in my filter. At that point, it seems you may have been fishing to see general thread sentiment about me. Now Tere during night phase brings up the same thing and you're unsure about her scumreading me? Are you trying to distance yourself from a 2nd mislynch? Also, you were vocally against the Hier lynch. Trying to get some deniability for the inevitable mislynch you knew was coming? And you were really defensive about how suspicious I was of you from the very beginning of the game. You also seem to think you're invincible(one of your posts mentioned you'd never be lynched due to filter size) when all townies are equally likely to die. Yeah, I'll be back with thoughts on Tere and a possible case on Truffle. Rereading your filter better be super townie to me. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 18 2015 07:36 The Shining wrote: Hm? I've stated several times, very clearly, why I am currently thinking that you are town. If I didn't, well, it's in my Word document awaiting posting one minute before Day 2. In summary, you made a good response, and most of my initial comments (I hesitate to call it a case, it really wasn't) turned out to be misinterpretations.Oh, another thing. Trfel, care to address something for me? I forgot to bring this up earlier. When you cased me, you left yourself a little disclaimer that it was late and you'd revisit it in the morning. You also asked for a sanity check on me. You also came back the next day, cased me again and once I gave you an adequate response(which I'm not seeing many others sold on it), basically left it alone. Now you're not so sure on Tere's read on me, which is your case shrunken down(don't like the opening, defensive), but the fact remains it was originally your case. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 07:36 The Shining wrote: Oh. The whole post was about me. Sorry, I took a nap and just woke up a minute ago, I'm still waking up.Oh, another thing. Trfel, care to address something for me? I forgot to bring this up earlier. When you cased me, you left yourself a little disclaimer that it was late and you'd revisit it in the morning. You also asked for a sanity check on me. You also came back the next day, cased me again and once I gave you an adequate response(which I'm not seeing many others sold on it), basically left it alone. Now you're not so sure on Tere's read on me, which is your case shrunken down(don't like the opening, defensive), but the fact remains it was originally your case. So what exactly changed your mind about me? You say things you brought up about me are scummy. But see some real scumhunting in my filter. At that point, it seems you may have been fishing to see general thread sentiment about me. Now Tere during night phase brings up the same thing and you're unsure about her scumreading me? Are you trying to distance yourself from a 2nd mislynch? Also, you were vocally against the Hier lynch. Trying to get some deniability for the inevitable mislynch you knew was coming? And you were really defensive about how suspicious I was of you from the very beginning of the game. You also seem to think you're invincible(one of your posts mentioned you'd never be lynched due to filter size) when all townies are equally likely to die. Yeah, I'll be back with thoughts on Tere and a possible case on Truffle. Rereading your filter better be super townie to me. I don't see myself as unlynchable due to filter length, I like to think that I am unlynchable because I have been consistently providing content and reads and because I know that I am town and refuse to be lynched. Filter length means nothing, as many of my posts haven't been particularly useful. That said, I do have a reasonable thread presence, and so it is silly to lynch me without good reasoning (which I strongly doubt will ever arise, since I am town). To clarify, your response to my suspicions on you was very good, in my opinion. So I dropped my suspicions. While I was against the Hier lynch, I take responsibility for my vote. It was my decision, and though I wasn't happy with it, I chose what I thought was best at the time. I also know that I am basically never happy with a lynch, even when I had created a case which basically everyone said was a slam dunk case (in fact, I switched off of the wagon that I led, which carried on without me to lynch the mafia). Rsoultin already stated that I am never sure of my vote, and that really is true. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning: On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote: I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting. Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right? So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
You have this wonderful way of conveniently being absent at key points when you're scum. Telling us you're going to read 10 pages then oops, just gonna sheep instead. Now, I know this can happen, but you really milked these sorts of things your last scum game. Are Tere and Trfel your scumreads right now? | ||
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: Is it not wrong to allow for the possibility that being sleepy could negatively affect my play? In the past, I've usually played fine while extremely tired, but in my last game I made a terrible blunder at about 4:30 AM. I don't see sleepiness as being a problem to hold back my reads for, but it would be silly to not mention it as a possibility. As for distancing myself from my scumread of you, it was NOT a scumread. I found a few things I felt were suspicious, and I wanted to hear thoughts from you and other people. Believe me, if I am scumreading someone, I will make it absolutely sure that everyone knows.Yeah but in it you posted a bit where you said I mentioned my push on Zlef was "slight" as if I were trying to distance myself from the lynch? Which is exactly what you did in that same post by saying you were sleepy and might need to revisit it. And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning: So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me. Some things you did looked scummy, some things you did looked fine. I concluded that the result didn't make me want to lynch you at that time. Is that a problem? | ||
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Trfel
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Oh well, that was why my read changed. If you would like, I can probably go back and reconstruct my thought process at the time. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 08:07 rsoultin wrote: Ah, thanks. There it is.You did, Truffle. Close to EoD I think. On February 17 2015 11:24 Trfel wrote: Ok, I definitely owe The Shining a response. Thanks very much to responding to my comments. I like that response a lot. It seems that a lot of my suspicions were just me misinterpreting something that you said. There is a reason that I wasn't pushing for your lynch, but was instead voicing some thoughts. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Maybe I'm just weary that you're towning me for points that I've addressed that Tere is now scumreading me for. I have a tendency to believe scum give out free townreads in the hopes of earning some towncred from the free townread townie. Might need to stop being so paranoid. Moving on. On February 18 2015 02:45 ElyAs wrote: I also really want to hear from The Shining, I liked his opening, but he has been missing since EOD. I get that you didn't have a lot of time before EOD to share your reads, but I'd really like to read them. Also you started the zlefin wagon and unvoted before EOD, were you looking for someone in particular outside of zlefin / Hier ? My irl schedule and timing made it difficult to do, but I mentioned before that my vote on Zlefin was because of a lack of thread presence and wanting to see more from him. It really was just a pressure vote, something Trfel even commented on, but I wasn't able to get back in time to get any shenanies done. The fact that only JJB was on him and against a Hier lynch was another reason for my vote. Was scum going to protect Zlefin as scum or push him for a mislynch as town? In my experience, scum will keep 1 vote on the main wagon(Hier) and 1 off of it to avoid the blame of the mislynch. And I'm sure JJB would've looked slightly better at voting analysis time if we were both on Zlefin, instead of just him once I unvoted. Tere, my 2 shots? Ely for lacking content and thread presence, I don't see the scumhunting really coming out of him. And you. For the same reason. Willingness to engage and post looks good on the outside, but you haven't given me anything to work with except for...me? And ElyAs. If I'm right on ElyAs, you're setting yourself up to mislynch me as scum and either back off on your partner or bus him if his push picks up some speed. Next post is post-Tere filterdive. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 18 2015 08:15 The Shining wrote: Eh. I unfortunately like your response. If there were more inconsistencies in your filter, I might be more inclined to ram you but you're also willing to admit you were wrong and misinterpreted a few things. Maybe I'm just weary that you're towning me for points that I've addressed that Tere is now scumreading me for. I have a tendency to believe scum give out free townreads in the hopes of earning some towncred from the free townread townie. Might need to stop being so paranoid. Moving on. My irl schedule and timing made it difficult to do, but I mentioned before that my vote on Zlefin was because of a lack of thread presence and wanting to see more from him. It really was just a pressure vote, something Trfel even commented on, but I wasn't able to get back in time to get any shenanies done. The fact that only JJB was on him and against a Hier lynch was another reason for my vote. Was scum going to protect Zlefin as scum or push him for a mislynch as town? In my experience, scum will keep 1 vote on the main wagon(Hier) and 1 off of it to avoid the blame of the mislynch. And I'm sure JJB would've looked slightly better at voting analysis time if we were both on Zlefin, instead of just him once I unvoted. Tere, my 2 shots? Ely for lacking content and thread presence, I don't see the scumhunting really coming out of him. And you. For the same reason. Willingness to engage and post looks good on the outside, but you haven't given me anything to work with except for...me? And ElyAs. If I'm right on ElyAs, you're setting yourself up to mislynch me as scum and either back off on your partner or bus him if his push picks up some speed. Next post is post-Tere filterdive. What are you trying to say here, Shining? -_- | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 18 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote: I actually find this quite interesting. I'll take another look at The Shining's filter. Is it possible to get a response to this from The Shining?Shining, I have a problem with you, actually ^^ You have this wonderful way of conveniently being absent at key points when you're scum. Telling us you're going to read 10 pages then oops, just gonna sheep instead. Now, I know this can happen, but you really milked these sorts of things your last scum game. Are Tere and Trfel your scumreads right now? (Note that I have not yet succeeded in actively following a game I have not been playing in and actually alive in. I barely, if ever, checked on Student Mafia V between the time where I died and the end of the game. Soon enough I hope to learn how to follow games without playing in them.) | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
RSo, in my scum game, I wasn't around. Like at all. I engaged maybe once after my back-n-forth with GB in Student Mafia. I'm not doing that here. It just never helps that EoD D1 on all these games lands on Mondays, which is the equivalent of my Saturday. Errands and family life catch up with me. Today is my Sunday, a bit slower. I can understand your bias towards me. I've been responsible for your mislynch on more than one occasion, from both alignments. Ask me something, let's talk, go for it. I like to think between other places and here, especially with last game, you can pick up on scum Shining. And no, Trfel is not my scumread. I was leaning scum, which is why I posted what I did earlier, but I also explained in my last post after why I accept and like his response. LET ME READ TERE DAMN IT. To answer you, if you can't pick it up off of my last post, my top scumreads are Tere - Ely. | ||
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Trfel
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