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On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? You townread him. Given my experience in previous games with him, I townread him too (especially given your townread). For much of the game, we have had two of the larger thread presences. We sort of brushed aside suspicions of him, so that would be our fault.
I certainly expect to see his play pick up on Day 2 (it normally does, right?). But for now, I don't think I see anything to indicate that he is any more scummy than normal.
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On February 18 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
Firstly, if you're hinting at what I believe you're hinting at, Tere, use your best judgment and your coach. You don't need everyone else's reads to do it. Put on those big girl pants xP
And give your own reads, cause you know how this confirmation bias stuff works, and you're feeding into it right now.
Zlefin...let's try something, okay? Would you like to play a game with me? Lol, JJB will probably recognize this game.
Oh, I don't need those reads, believe me. I'm very interested in people's reactions at me putting myself up as tasty Day 2 lynchbait though 
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On February 18 2015 01:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? You townread him. Given my experience in previous games with him, I townread him too (especially given your townread). For much of the game, we have had two of the larger thread presences. We sort of brushed aside suspicions of him, so that would be our fault. I certainly expect to see his play pick up on Day 2 (it normally does, right?). But for now, I don't think I see anything to indicate that he is any more scummy than normal.
Thank you for the sanity check lol. You're right; for once my opinion is dominating the thread. Which could be very bad given I'm actually not the best at reading people ><
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On February 18 2015 01:23 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
Firstly, if you're hinting at what I believe you're hinting at, Tere, use your best judgment and your coach. You don't need everyone else's reads to do it. Put on those big girl pants xP
And give your own reads, cause you know how this confirmation bias stuff works, and you're feeding into it right now.
Zlefin...let's try something, okay? Would you like to play a game with me? Lol, JJB will probably recognize this game. Oh, I don't need those reads, believe me. I'm very interested in people's reactions at me putting myself up as tasty Day 2 lynchbait though
I really don't see the purpose of your play here, Tere, from either alignment really. All joking/irony aside.
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I will explain all in Day 2 should I survive, if you wish.
You are just going to have to go with me here until then. I'm trying a thing. I saw it work quite well for someone in a recent game.
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Currently missing reactions from Jarjar, The Shining, and EyAs.
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On February 18 2015 01:30 Tere wrote:
I will explain all in Day 2 should I survive, if you wish.
You are just going to have to go with me here until then. I'm trying a thing. I saw it work quite well for someone in a recent game. I hope you understand if I refuse to play along. I will make reads, and I will make them clear, but I don't see a need to effectively quantify them and say what my two strongest scumreads are.
I play lynch by lynch, without taking into account associative reads. Stating my two strongest scumreads at this time does absolutely nothing to focus for the next lynch, for which we will have much more time to prepare and (hopefully) a bunch of new information to use.
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Mhmh. I think you just have to bear with me and assume I am doing a town orientated thing ATM.
I'll post a full will and testament before nightfall, just in case, never fear.
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Lol, if you're asking Trfel to assume you're acting scummy because you're town, you clearly don't understand the Truffle
Okay, well, this doesn't feel like it's getting anywhere. Gonna go off and do my own thing until more people show up in the thread (also got a midterm to write @.@)
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On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts?
pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all.
I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them.
As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them.
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On February 18 2015 01:55 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all. I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them. As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them.
Believe it or not, that actually does make me feel better ^^
Eh, I don't know how to explain JJB other than he's a bit of a happy clown, but the biggest points in his favor at EoD were how he kept the discussion open. I know he was pushing you, but from a mafia perspective, if you know the leading wagon is town you either just sit there and let others push it so you don't look bad when he flips town, or you say "this is a bad lynch" but do nothing to stop it. JJB doesn't really fall in either category.
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On February 18 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:55 zlefin wrote:On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all. I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them. As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them. Believe it or not, that actually does make me feel better ^^ Eh, I don't know how to explain JJB other than he's a bit of a happy clown, but the biggest points in his favor at EoD were how he kept the discussion open. I know he was pushing you, but from a mafia perspective, if you know the leading wagon is town you either just sit there and let others push it so you don't look bad when he flips town, or you say "this is a bad lynch" but do nothing to stop it. JJB doesn't really fall in either category.
Do others concur with rsoultin's description of JJB?
I ask because I don't want to base any changes entirely off this in the unlikely event the two of them are mafia.
If others concur with the description, I'm going to give a positive point to JJB, based on rsoultins comments in the last page, which also help reassess JJBs early game (in particular his joke which I didn't like, more info on its normalcy for him ameliorates it).
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rsoul or Silver or Jarjar (or whoever really), can you link me to any games Silverarte has played in? I don't see anything in the database for her?
Ta muchly.
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On February 18 2015 02:07 Tere wrote:
rsoul or Silver or Jarjar (or whoever really), can you link me to any games Silverarte has played in? I don't see anything in the database for her?
Ta muchly. The database is not updated frequently, unfortunately. It's more effective to view someone's profile to find their previous games.
It appears that her only previous game was Newbie Mini Mafia LX. She was the town cop.
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On February 18 2015 02:05 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 18 2015 01:55 zlefin wrote:On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all. I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them. As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them. Believe it or not, that actually does make me feel better ^^ Eh, I don't know how to explain JJB other than he's a bit of a happy clown, but the biggest points in his favor at EoD were how he kept the discussion open. I know he was pushing you, but from a mafia perspective, if you know the leading wagon is town you either just sit there and let others push it so you don't look bad when he flips town, or you say "this is a bad lynch" but do nothing to stop it. JJB doesn't really fall in either category. Do others concur with rsoultin's description of JJB? I ask because I don't want to base any changes entirely off this in the unlikely event the two of them are mafia. If others concur with the description, I'm going to give a positive point to JJB, based on rsoultins comments in the last page, which also help reassess JJBs early game (in particular his joke which I didn't like, more info on its normalcy for him ameliorates it). I wouldn't describe jarjarbinks as a happy clown, but rsoultin would (hopefully) know better than I would.
For the purposes of a mafia game, I see jarjarbinks as an extremely analytical player, perhaps to the point where it is detrimental to his play. There are no substitutes for old-style scumhunting. Jarjarbinks tends to focus on purely objective things like vote counts, roles, setup, and in this game, the Bridges method. As a result, jarjarbinks doesn't post an abundance of traditional reads, which does lead to him often being scumread.
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On February 18 2015 02:05 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 18 2015 01:55 zlefin wrote:On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all. I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them. As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them. Believe it or not, that actually does make me feel better ^^ Eh, I don't know how to explain JJB other than he's a bit of a happy clown, but the biggest points in his favor at EoD were how he kept the discussion open. I know he was pushing you, but from a mafia perspective, if you know the leading wagon is town you either just sit there and let others push it so you don't look bad when he flips town, or you say "this is a bad lynch" but do nothing to stop it. JJB doesn't really fall in either category. Do others concur with rsoultin's description of JJB? I ask because I don't want to base any changes entirely off this in the unlikely event the two of them are mafia. If others concur with the description, I'm going to give a positive point to JJB, based on rsoultins comments in the last page, which also help reassess JJBs early game (in particular his joke which I didn't like, more info on its normalcy for him ameliorates it).
Well, you can see how he acted pre-game? And also in the game Truffle just linked cause he was in that one, too lol. He posted a JJB death video at the end that I still find lolworthy ^^
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Got some time for this !
Reacting to the current train of thought, rsoultin, do you think jjb has started changing his playstyle to include more traditional reads and playstyle analysis ? Or is he really playing differently and more carefully than normal ?
I intend to share my gameplan, I'm reading some filters right now.
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On February 18 2015 02:23 ElyAs wrote:
Got some time for this !
Reacting to the current train of thought, rsoultin, do you think jjb has started changing his playstyle to include more traditional reads and playstyle analysis ? Or is he really playing differently and more carefully than normal ?
I intend to share my gameplan, I'm reading some filters right now.
I don't see a huge change in his play-style? His reaction to Hier's mechanism looked very him. Trying to get people to talk to him more is a little new, because I'd say his first two games were more reactive.
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Ducking in real quick (between appointments).
Tere, my only other game would be the one Trfel mentioned. This is literally my second mafia game ever. =D
Also...I agree that I'd like that "last will and testament" you're talking about. I want to know who you are eyeing, why and the like.
Zlefin, what I really am looking for is the why behind what you believe. The reasoning and/or instances that support why you think what you do. You may not want to play Rso's game, which is entirely fine! But supporting your reasoning is really what we're looking for. Trfel's explanation of what he thinks you were after clarified more than you were able to thus far (and that's if Trfel is right).
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Also, as stated above, I've only played one game with JarJar in the past, but he did get scumread for percentages in the one we did.
-And now, running off to my next appointment. >< (Good grief me.) If anyone has questions for me, feel free to pop them up. I'll get to them when I'm back. =)
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