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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 17 2015 23:30 GMT
#741
Trfel, already responded to that.

RSo, what I meant is I believe that both scum wouldn't be on the same wagon, normally. I know I am not scum. If I had stayed on the Zlefin wagon with JJB, someone could make the case that one of us was scum and JJB would look slightly better than I would, since I started the push. I even wanted to rail JJB for being the wasted vote but I liked his defense of his vote and I truly believe he believes he was right in his reasoning.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 17 2015 23:31 GMT
#742
Hey guys I just got back and read everything. I'll go back and answer questions before I filterdive. I'll do the one-two bullet thing before EON just in case mafia doesn't like starwars lol
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2015 23:33 GMT
#743
On February 18 2015 08:31 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hey guys I just got back and read everything. I'll go back and answer questions before I filterdive. I'll do the one-two bullet thing before EON just in case mafia doesn't like starwars lol
You haven't been very active in the night, have you.

That makes me a little suspicious.

I still don't see much reason to scumread you right now, but tomorrow I am expecting more from you.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 17 2015 23:36 GMT
#744
Alright, Shining, lol. I must admit that the only thing bugging me really was your behavior around EoD, so it gets a pass for now. If you keep doing that shit, though, I'll try my darndest to get you lynched

I did half-catch you last time so I can put the paranoia away for a little while longer.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 17 2015 23:39 GMT
#745
On February 18 2015 08:33 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:31 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hey guys I just got back and read everything. I'll go back and answer questions before I filterdive. I'll do the one-two bullet thing before EON just in case mafia doesn't like starwars lol
You haven't been very active in the night, have you.

That makes me a little suspicious.

I still don't see much reason to scumread you right now, but tomorrow I am expecting more from you.


It's OK i'm suspicious of you too lol

Only question I see on second glance is the two bullet thing so i'll chime in in a few minutes let me go read up a little on some filters before I narrow 4 to 2
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2015 23:42 GMT
#746
On February 18 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:33 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:31 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hey guys I just got back and read everything. I'll go back and answer questions before I filterdive. I'll do the one-two bullet thing before EON just in case mafia doesn't like starwars lol
You haven't been very active in the night, have you.

That makes me a little suspicious.

I still don't see much reason to scumread you right now, but tomorrow I am expecting more from you.


It's OK i'm suspicious of you too lol

Only question I see on second glance is the two bullet thing so i'll chime in in a few minutes let me go read up a little on some filters before I narrow 4 to 2
Who are the four you are looking at? And why?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 17 2015 23:50 GMT
#747
You Tere Elyas and Silver were my top four based on day 1 votes.

Looking through filters I'm shooting Elyas and Tere. I'll explain those first.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2015 23:57 GMT
#748
On February 18 2015 08:50 jarjarbinks wrote:
You Tere Elyas and Silver were my top four based on day 1 votes.

Looking through filters I'm shooting Elyas and Tere. I'll explain those first.
Better work quickly

In case I die:
It's been a fun Day 1/Night 1, albeit somewhat stressful and frustrating. I don't actually feel like we are completely hopeless, we have stuff to work with, we have some critical thinking and town feels to be working much, much better than in Newbie Mafia LX. I'm actually finding myself excited to see what happens next, and how people proceed. Good luck, and happy scumhunting!

Serious post will follow in a few minutes.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2015 23:59 GMT
#749
Yet Another Post from Long-Winded Trfel

This post serves as a summary of my reads and the direction that I believe that town should go in. Take note that I tend to go lynch by lynch, and try to choose the best lynch given the information at the time. So I will not tell town who to lynch, as the coming 48 hours could likely provide plenty of reasons why a different lynch is preferred. That said, here are my general thoughts and reads, I hope they are somewhat useful.

I didn't get to Silverarte, sorry. This is largely because of her late entrance to the thread, I don't feel that she has left enough to get a solid read at this point. And also because I'm tired and lazy, and the deadline is coming up.
  • Tere
    I have already posted my thoughts on Tere. My main post is here. Later additions to this would be here and here. My biggest problem with Tere's play was how she seemed to be making a lot of posts and trying to seem extremely helpful, while not actually contributing that much scumhunting behind it. Tere's recent list post has been a departure from that trend, and I like it. At the same time, the events of the next 48 or so hours should prove extremely useful in determining Tere's alignment.

  • zlefin
    I have already posted my thoughts on zlefin as well, you can find them here. I am inclined to give zlefin the benefit of the doubt, though I really hope he can show more scumhunting in the future. His recent posts on ElyAs, Silverarte, and The Shining seem to be significantly better, so I currently don't have much desire to lynch him.

  • rsoultin
    I haven't really shared my thoughts on rsoultin very much this game. Ever since she started the early push on Hier for the purposes of getting the game started (thanks a bunch for doing that btw, I'm not sure where we would be without that at this point), I have sort of accepted her as town. In addition, we have been discussing the game a bunch together, and I have not seen any indication that she is mafia. It is probably worth a reread, but for the moment I am comfortable in assuming that rsoultin is town for these things alone.

  • The Shining
    A while back, I posted some suspicions of The Shining here. However, The Shining's response was really good, so I dropped my suspicions. Upon rereading The Shining's filter while more awake, I am fine with it. While I am disappointed by The Shining's lack of posting for most of the night, it is silly to attribute this to anything other than real life business at this time. Recently, The Shining has returned with some questioning of me (Trfel). I find the nature of this push to be more towny, again, because I can understand how The Shining would think this and because mafia wouldn’t push a player with a reasonable thread presence unless there are clear reasons to do so.

    Since scumreading The Shining has recently picked up popularity, I will elaborate on a few random points. The push on zlefin makes a lot more sense as a pressure instead of a definite scumread. While the reasons for the push were still weak, as a pressure push, I am willing to accept it. This also explains why he stops with the pressure on zlefin and votes for Hier instead.

  • ElyAs
    First, I will note that ElyAs has only played one game on TL Mafia before, and it was in 2010. Thus, I would be a little more hesitant to lynch him.

    I agree with the suspicions voiced of ElyAs. Earlier in the game, his play was acceptable, but by this point I expect more from him. Instead, his play seems to have died off. That said, his early posting showed some good things, and I can see hints of scumhunting. Given his relative inexperience, I am suspicious of him, and could see myself lynching him on Day 2, but I still think he deserves leeway.

  • jarjarbinks
    Just a brief note. For now, I am fine with accepting him as town, since his response to Hier's Bridges method seemed to fit his character. In addition, rsoultin hasn't voiced any suspicions of jarjarbinks. That said, I do expect to see more scumhunting from jarjarbinks tomorrow.
In summary, at the moment I feel that the best Day 2 lynch is probably one of Tere, ElyAs, or Silverarte (maybe jarjarbinks). However, please take this very loosely, since a lot will happen between now and then. My hope is that people find my thoughts useful, not necessarily my specific reads.

Good luck, all. It's been a fun game.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 17 2015 23:59 GMT
#750
Okay, playing two games at once is bad ^^; And this will be a shitty post so sorry in advance. I'm going off impressions and feels that may or may not be entirely accurate.

If this is Truffle's scum game, he's improved by a mile. So I doubt it is. The work he's been putting in is classic town!Trfel, and he's also normally riddled with doubts. The naysayer, if you will, even on his own cases xP

JJB I'm pretty sure is town. Toneread.


Middle-of-the-roaders

Her thoughts are echoing mine a lot, but some things, like the aggressiveness and how her reads seem to sheep others', are giving me pause. Keep an eye on Tere.

Shining, if you keep disappearing at convenient times, you're probably scum. That sheep vote was terribad.

Zfelin, some red flags, but could just be newbie town, and i'm actually leaning town on you right now I think.


ElyAs is the naysayer who didn't try to derail the wagon

No more time! lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 18 2015 00:00 GMT
#751
ElyAs is my top scumread -_- that wasn't clear
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 18 2015 00:01 GMT
#752
and I forgot silver lol >< which means she's forgettable, damn
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2015 00:01 GMT
#753
My goodbye post is superior to yours, rsoultin. 1-0 me.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
February 18 2015 00:01 GMT
#754
Day 2



"Kenny?" yelled Cartman. "Kenny?"

(incomprehensible murmurs)

"Dude," muttered Cartman, "we're trying to pick a cave out of here. As long as we don't run into any creepers, we should be okay."

"Well I'm more worried about the idiots from school," replied Stan, "a lot of them said they'd be exploring this cave and I think even fucking Craig wanted a little 'privacy' with Wendy. That piece of shit..."

"Privacy," muttered Cartman. "Yeah, right, we all know what he really wants..."

"Honestly," said Stan, "I think Craig is trying to sabotage us. He and some of the other bullies from school are up to no good. And if he gets his hands on Wendy, I'm going to lose it."

"Foo foo foo foo!" exclaimed Kenny.

"Now what?" asked Cartman.

All of a sudden the four of them heard a series of cracks.

Kenny continued to pick at what appeared to be a hollow opening.

"Foo foo fooooo!!"

"Kenny?" said Kyle. Then he started to recognise the sounds.

"OH MY GOD, KENNY, GET BACK, GET BACK!!!"

It was too late. The stone wall broke down and Kenny came face to face with a creeper from an opening in the cave.

KABOOM!!

Kenny's bloodied body was sent flying backwards.

"Oh my God, they killed Kenny!" screamed Stan.

"You bastard!" screamed Kyle.

rsoultin, as Kenny McCormick (Vanilla Townie) has been killed by the Creeper explosion!



Thanks again to HTS for flavor.
Day 2 is underway.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch.
Voting is mandatory and all votes should be made in the voting thread in order for them to count.
Day 2 ends on Friday, Feb 20 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Good luck!
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2015 00:02 GMT
#755
Well, I'm still alive. That's interesting. I wonder if that means I'm completely off track. Or if it means that someone on the mafia team is cruel and wants to torture me.

Rsoultin, I'll take a look at your filter and your reads. I still think that we are mostly in the same place, though.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 18 2015 00:05 GMT
#756
>< sorry guys for that terrible goodbye post

glhf <3
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2015 00:07 GMT
#757
On February 18 2015 09:05 rsoultin wrote:
>< sorry guys for that terrible goodbye post

glhf <3
Thanks, we'll need it. To be fair, you played an absolutely killer D1/N1.

I'm going to be lonely without you here Who else would stay up until 4 AM dealing with my crazy thoughts?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2015 00:08 GMT
#758
Anyway, Tere, you've been hinting at something for quite some time. I think it's about time you clue us in.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 18 2015 00:11 GMT
#759
Elyas:

#1: Bandwagoned hard lol Of my top four (Elyas, Trf, Silver, Tere) Elyas' play on the bandwagon seemed the most scummy, although a case could be made for Trf. Elyas wasn't around EOD really, and it seemed like Elyas was like "I think this is a mislynch, but o well I guess it is what it is" Mafia can do one of two things after a successful mislynch, distance or nothing (I guess it is possible to keep scumreading them until its over to avoid looking like this). I see Elyas EOD play as slight distancing, enough to be noticed but not draw too much suspicion.

#2: Not much going on: I think somebody mentioned this earlier. Rsoultin I think. I see a lot of talking about doing something substantial in Elyas' filter but I haven't seen anything substantial. Elyas is new, so that could be the reasoning, but it could also be alignment indicative.

#3: Reads are nothing new: Scummed Hiel first, then zfelin next, then Tier. Actually, Elyas might have been the first on Tere, but that was half sheeping Hiel's vote "if he flips town". I haven't seen Elyas have any reads that would require real scumhunting. Granted again, Elyas is new.

#4: Has Elyas done anything after Day 1? I would say not really lol Made some reads, not too much backing them up. I actually think Zfelin's done a better job backing his stuff up now than Elyas.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2015 00:12 GMT
#760
Sorry for the post spam. My thoughts are coming more randomly at the moment.

Part of me is wondering if rsoultin was killed to help hide a mafia!jarjarbinks. I'm not at all confident in reading a Day 2 jarjarbinks, in the past I've just used rsoultin for that read. Still, though, rsoultin seemed pretty convinced that jarjarbinks is town, so I guess I'll work with that for now.
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