EPTThe character thing I agree with. I expect her to have about as much experience as you do, although I don't know if she can boast that 25% success rate of lynching though lol I think I originally treated her like she was on Rso's level (no offense lol) and I think I should have treated her more like on your or Shining's level.
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jarjarbinks
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The character thing I agree with. I expect her to have about as much experience as you do, although I don't know if she can boast that 25% success rate of lynching though lol I think I originally treated her like she was on Rso's level (no offense lol) and I think I should have treated her more like on your or Shining's level. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 13:19 jarjarbinks wrote: That settles it, you're getting lynched I think I originally treated her like she was on Rso's level (no offense lol) and I think I should have treated her more like on your or Shining's level.  | ||
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This is very true, and I thought your case on this was stronger than others. If she is mafia, I could definitely see her doing this to get some thread presence. From a town perspective, Hier did look very suspicious to everyone in the game and she had the least time to scumread others. Given the amount of counterwagons (1 if you count zfelin, i'm not really sure if that counted as a legitamite counter), I could see why she focused on Hier over the rest. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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lol should I keep going? | ||
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Trfel
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This part could be noteworthy, she didn't seem affected. That could be the result of anger "he deserved it as town" but it is suspicious. If I was one of the hardest, if not the hardest pusher, on a mislynch I would think I would at least be a bit bummed. I don't think she was that contradictory. I think she was the most set on a Hier lynch EOD out of us all. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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True but look around. Rso was universally townread. You were pretty townread by most if not all. You could probably say this for most of us. More experienced players play this game better and are better at appearing town. You could make an argument that her reads based on skill show a lack of effort? | ||
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 13:31 jarjarbinks wrote: That's precisely the argument. It takes no effort to say what makes sense, what sounds right. But the goal isn't to lynch the person who says incorrect things, the goal is to lynch the mafia. I didn't see that in Tere's filter on Day 1."Tere does not seem to separate player skill from her reads" True but look around. Rso was universally townread. You were pretty townread by most if not all. You could probably say this for most of us. More experienced players play this game better and are better at appearing town. You could make an argument that her reads based on skill show a lack of effort? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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You did this as well as Elyas. It is suspicious, but obviously one of you guys are town and you all did it xD While I think mafia is definitely in your group, obviously a town person did this. Thinking about it now hurts my scumreads on the three of you... lol I need to go to sleep lol I'll be on for a few more minutes if you want to keep chattin lol | ||
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Trfel
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Thanks a bunch for answering my request. I took a cursory look at your posts, I'll definitely take a more through look tomorrow. (tonight I am reading ElyAs, tomorrow on to other people) | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 18 2015 13:33 Trfel wrote: That's precisely the argument. It takes no effort to say what makes sense, what sounds right. But the goal isn't to lynch the person who says incorrect things, the goal is to lynch the mafia. I didn't see that in Tere's filter on Day 1. Agreed, and her latest reads have you two at the top again. Most effort in her latest post is on Shining which is good. Do you think that scumread took a lot of effort? | ||
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I feel like we base our play around completely different things, and we look for entirely different things. Thus, for me to get an accurate read on you, I have to do it by your standards, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to go about that. The biggest example of this is that you immediately dismissed my case on Tere because I myself am guilty of some of the things I mentioned in the case. I place a ton of value on subjective arguments and the validity of various arguments, as well as the level of critical thinking shown. Meanwhile, I'm under the impression that you look for more reasons that are purely objective, such as votes, night kills, and numbers. Is this a correct assessment? I don't know if you are town based on filter length alone. I don't know if you are town based on potentially fooling rsoultin. I have no scumgame of yours to look at for information. Therefore, the more reads you can provide, it would help a ton. I really really want to get this lynch, and it's going to require ALL townies to raise their game. I know that I'm going to try and put in a ton more effort. What is your overall conclusion on my case on Tere? Is it good or bad? How does this affect your stance on Tere and myself, and why? Thanks a ton for being willing to discuss with me. It's immensely helpful. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 18 2015 13:38 Trfel wrote: Stay up for a few more minutes please? Thanks a bunch for answering my request. I took a cursory look at your posts, I'll definitely take a more through look tomorrow. (tonight I am reading ElyAs, tomorrow on to other people) It's all good. Thoughts on Elyas so far? | ||
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 13:45 jarjarbinks wrote: I think he is probably town. For all of Day 1, I actually think that his play was not that scummy. His play for Night 1 has been lackluster, but I can overlook that for now. I'm also hoping for a lot from him on Day 2.It's all good. Thoughts on Elyas so far? Note that I still have a lot of analysis on him to do, and I am really slow, so you should probably go to bed before I finish. As to Tere's read on The Shining, I'm sorry I can't really answer that now. I think it was better, but I'm not really sure yet. I've been postponing looking closer at Tere until she finally reveals her intentions from Night 1, I hope you can understand why. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 18 2015 13:45 Trfel wrote: Jarjarbinks, I feel like getting an accurate read on you is going to be extremely difficult. Allow me to explain why. I feel like we base our play around completely different things, and we look for entirely different things. Thus, for me to get an accurate read on you, I have to do it by your standards, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to go about that. The biggest example of this is that you immediately dismissed my case on Tere because I myself am guilty of some of the things I mentioned in the case. I place a ton of value on subjective arguments and the validity of various arguments, as well as the level of critical thinking shown. Meanwhile, I'm under the impression that you look for more reasons that are purely objective, such as votes, night kills, and numbers. Is this a correct assessment? I don't know if you are town based on filter length alone. I don't know if you are town based on potentially fooling rsoultin. I have no scumgame of yours to look at for information. Therefore, the more reads you can provide, it would help a ton. I really really want to get this lynch, and it's going to require ALL townies to raise their game. I know that I'm going to try and put in a ton more effort. What is your overall conclusion on my case on Tere? Is it good or bad? How does this affect your stance on Tere and myself, and why? Thanks a ton for being willing to discuss with me. It's immensely helpful. It's cool. Yes lol I look at objective things more than subjective, because well I suck at the subjective. I'm trying to get better as these games go on but honestly this game is not my forte. I've spent more hours building a spreadsheet that most vets disapprove of lol I haven't gone a game where people besides my sister think i'm actually town. Null maybe? Town definitely not lol I actually have never played scum so I can't help you there lol The only thing I can think of doing is provide you as much information as possible. I think I was being devil's advocate when commenting on your case lol You made some points I agree on. The effort thing is something to look into. She has a pretty high filter, but effort on scumhunting is what matters. I'm not suspicious enough to lynch her at the moment, but I would favor her over zfelin for sure lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
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I'll go reread his filter. Sleep is for the weak. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 18 2015 13:55 jarjarbinks wrote: Okay, thanks. I'll have to accept the fact that you are probably town. Though I hope you understand that I still need to make a detailed check of your filter and your past games.It's cool. Yes lol I look at objective things more than subjective, because well I suck at the subjective. I'm trying to get better as these games go on but honestly this game is not my forte. I've spent more hours building a spreadsheet that most vets disapprove of lol I haven't gone a game where people besides my sister think i'm actually town. Null maybe? Town definitely not lol I actually have never played scum so I can't help you there lol The only thing I can think of doing is provide you as much information as possible. I think I was being devil's advocate when commenting on your case lol You made some points I agree on. The effort thing is something to look into. She has a pretty high filter, but effort on scumhunting is what matters. I'm not suspicious enough to lynch her at the moment, but I would favor her over zfelin for sure lol As to the last part of my question, how did this discussion and my case on Tere affect your read on me? And far more importantly, why? (note that there is no set right/wrong answer to this question, I'm interested in the explanation). Then you can go to sleep XD | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 15 2015 20:08 ElyAs wrote: Actually, I'm gonna elaborate on this. Although I don't like Trfel's opening, he is clearly trying to start discussions so I can't scumread him for that. I'm just gonna keep this in mind for later, but not gonna vote for him day 1. Shining posted a bit and disappeared, his last post was hinting towards "I'm gonna post more later", I expect you to do it. Until then nullread Rsoultin discussed with Trfel, then with jarjar, she is asking questions, which what I'd expect from town. jarjarbinks is sharing his insight on rsoultin's demand, but apart from that, not a lot of content. What do you think of Hier's plan ? Hier only posted his plan, and I've given my thoughts on that. I like this post. Makes me think he is thinking through the game relatively well. Especially his comment on me lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 18 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote: Okay, thanks. I'll have to accept the fact that you are probably town. Though I hope you understand that I still need to make a detailed check of your filter and your past games. As to the last part of my question, how did this discussion and my case on Tere affect your read on me? And far more importantly, why? (note that there is no set right/wrong answer to this question, I'm interested in the explanation). Then you can go to sleep XD Lol Despite not agreeing with a lot of things you have said, your have definitely shown the most effort in scumhunting to this point. I was there in your last scumgame and if you are scum then this is massive improvement. Like beyond massive. There were some actions you took that I disapprove of (#1 being your actions EOD on D1, but you at least were around at the end), but since then you have honestly been scumhunting and scumhunting hard. I'd be blind not to see that lol Your argument was a subset of that. Some of your reads weren't exactly strong. If you voted Tere based off your argument I wouldn't join. I want to see what her plan that she was talking about is. I also want to see her reaction to all of these scumreads. But the amount of effort you took in making it strengthen's your case for being town. | ||
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