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tikalal
48 Posts
On November 19 2010 14:55 Komsa wrote: Works against 2000+ Diamond in TvT too! OMG http://www.mediafire.com/?onmo25qj6a5s3nx lol? That was a poor example in my opinion. If green engaged the marines as they were coming up his ramp, repaired the tank with three SCVs, and sent 3 or 4 SCVs as meatshields, he would have held that off. This rush actually seems less effective than the very hard ai. | ||
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evoli
United States333 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:07 tikalal wrote: That was a poor example in my opinion. If green engaged the marines as they were coming up his ramp, repaired the tank with three SCVs, and sent 3 or 4 SCVs as meatshields, he would have held that off. This rush actually seems less effective than the very hard ai. really though it's kinda hard to say exactly if it is the build or not, until artosis fights against it again and posts the replay ~.~' also, I wonder (though kinda hard to find out) if this is affecting the lower leagues in Korea too... | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2_Rax_Orbital It's simply been adapted for 1v1. I do it all the time in 3v3s to defend or support an early rush. You can easily expo off it or get double gas to tech. I think somebody else brought it up a week or so ago as the way to pressure zerg FE and we all agreed it was the 2 rax orbital build. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:08 evoli wrote: Kanye West actually just told Tweetosis he thinks this build has been around for a while. I knew he was behind the most unbeatable rush of ALL TIME! LOL. I don't know if I should stay here because people have been making humorous comments but I sense a lot of wrath in the future | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
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Komsa
United States99 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:07 tikalal wrote: That was a poor example in my opinion. If green engaged the marines as they were coming up his ramp, repaired the tank with three SCVs, and sent 3 or 4 SCVs as meatshields, he would have held that off. This rush actually seems less effective than the very hard ai. TELL THAT TO THE 2000+ Diamonds rolf | ||
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[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:08 evoli wrote: Kanye West actually just told Tweetosis he thinks this build has been around for a while. huh this is a joke right, just have to be sure, because I actually checked his twitter when I read this and saw nothing of that sort O.O | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:21 EtherealDeath wrote: huh this is a joke right, just have to be sure, because I actually checked his twitter when I read this and saw nothing of that sort O.O ....yes this is a joke..(you can't delete tweets) | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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TempeRr
Canada18 Posts
On November 19 2010 14:25 Shikyo wrote: You don't remake anything. Imagine you make 6 Zerglings, that's 3 larvae, okay? Now imagine those are 3 drones instead. They never mined, they never were going to mine. They were intended to be combat units from the beginning, you lose no mining time at all. You lose 3 larvae and 450 minerals. You can't look at it so black-and-white, just the scan by the Terran costs over half of that cost and the fact you can safely drone for a while makes it more than worth it. Just stop posting seriously, you're terrible. I could of used those 450 minerals on 2 queens and 3 drones! Do you see the Econ lose? If you don't you save three drones plus get three more drones and two queens Seriously pisses me off when people consider spine crawlers to cost mining time. What the spines do is let you drone up, which lets you go ahead in economy. Also they are useful, they can be moved to chokepoints, strategic locations(on the side of the gold base in metal for instance), to your third base, etc. It's not only about comparing units cost-by-cost. It's an extremely cheap price to pay if building 3 crawlers shuts their attack down. I'm not sure if it does, though, and if it doesn't, then this is all irrelevant. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
I just feel like the production is necessary, but if top zergs consider it too risky then I should probably stick to pooling first. | ||
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tikalal
48 Posts
From the timings of the example posted earlier, I'd have 1 zealot and 2 stalkers when the 5 marines come up the ramp (5:30), At 5:45 I'd have another stalker, and at 6:07 I'd add 1 stalker and 1 zealot. This build cuts no probes so I'd have 30 probes to their 19 at 6:07. Even if I needed to pull probes off, think I could survive, maybe even stay ahead?. | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
btw artosis also said during gls2 finals that hatch first is instant gg for zerg (paraphrasing here)... and guess what ? + Show Spoiler + we saw 6 hatch first iirc. | ||
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ANGRYhouse
United States3 Posts
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Maguspk
United States13 Posts
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BWILLdur
United States100 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:01 tikalal wrote: I wonder if one of my regular builds would hold it off? From the timings of the example posted earlier, I'd have 1 zealot and 2 stalkers when the 5 marines come up the ramp (5:30), At 5:45 I'd have another stalker, and at 6:07 I'd add 1 stalker and 1 zealot. This build cuts no probes so I'd have 30 probes to their 19 at 6:07. Even if I needed to pull probes off, think I could survive, maybe even stay ahead?. I just messed with it some but your scv count is way off I think. At 5:00 you have 10 marines at your own ramp, 2 rax's, an orbital and 19 scvs. You also have enough energy for a scan at this point, and enough minerals in the bank (605) to expand if you don't like what you see with the scan. This is primarily an opener vs zerg because lings without speed get poop'd on by marines. I don't know enough about this build as to when it actually hits the front door of the enemy though. You could skip the first mule and use the first energy to scan too, but that will delay your expansion. | ||
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Komsa
United States99 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:16 Komsa wrote: alright just tried it against a 2200 Zerg on Lost Temple. You can scout it by keeping an overlord on the little ledge by their mineral chain. Keep a good eye on it and notice when some scv's move out. If you see that throw down a spine or two. so what if they are cross positions or like on Xel'Naga Caverns, how're you going to get your overlord to their base in time/without it dying on the way/etc? >_>...geh. | ||
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