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On June 15 2015 20:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rels just did his go through the thread and reply to every single post thing again.
And in the end, I have no idea who he thinks is scum, only numerous townreads.
I'm not replying to every post. A lot of people has expressed the feeling that I didn't answer the cases and questions about me. So I replied to every posts attacking me and asking me something.
I will repeat: I will finish answering every post attacking me or asking me, and THEN I will analyze.
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OK I feel dumb responding you like that ... 'cause I finished reading the whole thread and there is no more attack or questions to me. (=
So. If somehow I missed a case or a question, requote it. If anyone say I didn't answer something without quoting it, I will link him this post. If that person says it twice, he's probably scum.
Now it's time for some analyzis. I will read the filters of each players in the game and post an analyzis of him. For fun here is my mind before doing the filter diving:
Town
Sulfurus
Trfel
WaveofShadow
Town lean
ruxxar
Damdred
Oatsmaster
batsnacks
Scum lean
Kickstart
Scum
moosy
scott
Gonna afk 30 minutes to eat, then the analyzis will start. We'll see after that if the list has changed.
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Moose goose and Scott... That's interesting.
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I mean, it seems really convoluted, the most strategy Ive ever had as scum was to "ok try not to lynch my partners and lynch town".
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Rels back up to the stuff I said n1. You said in your response just now that sulfu voting opportunistically is a point against him, and that is the reason you would have voted sulfu over me. The whole point of the case I made is that you said twice that sulfu voting opportunistically does not make him mafia, and is not a point against him, because he did the same thing last game d1 to SL and Breshke. After saying that twice, you switched to saying that sulfu voting me was opportunistic and it is points against him.
Is it unreasonable for me to think that your defense here actually re-enforces what I said?
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On June 15 2015 21:46 batsnacks wrote:
Rels back up to the stuff I said n1. You said in your response just now that sulfu voting opportunistically is a point against him, and that is the reason you would have voted sulfu over me. The whole point of the case I made is that you said twice that sulfu voting opportunistically does not make him mafia, and is not a point against him, because he did the same thing last game d1 to SL and Breshke. After saying that twice, you switched to saying that sulfu voting me was opportunistic and it is points against him.
Is it unreasonable for me to think that your defense here actually re-enforces what I said?
I don't really understand what you are saying. I suppose you're saying that:
1- I said that one of the points against Sulfu is that his vote on you was opportunistic
2- You voted on Sulfu because his vote on you was opportunistic
3- I voted you because I felt your vote on Sulfu was bad
4- Therefore there is a contradition: I cannot be mad at you for voting Sulfu for reason X, when I admit reason X is something against Sulfu
Is that it ?
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No
I'm saying you said (twice) that sulfur's vote was not alignment indicative because he did the same thing last game to SL and breshke.
Then you went back and said it is alignment indicative and points against him.
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Yes that's true.
Before I went to sleep, I said that Sulfu's vote was townie to me 'cause it matched its meta.
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.
After I slept, I re evaluated on this and agreed that Sulfu's vote was opportunistic and could be a point against him.
On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality. I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now? Just Bats seems like the easy target so I wanted to look at him more. The two posts I quote are statements he made to defend himself, so I wanted to see if he was lying to defend. No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist But to me he's playing the same as last game I played with him. So I don't know. Two suspicious people are geript and Damdred. Reasons for Damdred are easy, he didn't anything, so it's so weak. I'm reading geript's filter right now.
Look at the timestamps if you doubt this story.
Now, I thought and still think Sulfu is town. I didn't say Sulfu's vote was opportunistic because I was suspecting him. I did so because:
I thought your reason for voting Sulfu was bad before going to sleep.
After sleeping, I realized that your reason for voting Sulfu wasn't bad.
Voilà. What you say is true, I went back to my words. I re evaluated Sulfu's vote from townie to opportunistic. Doesn't mean I don't think he's town though.
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I'll be completely honest, I cba to read Rels's 15-piece novel.
Rels I'm not voting you anyway, how about you just play the game like normal now?
I want to attempt to break a couple things down. Your suspicion on Moosy/Scott hinges on them voting for you over Sulfurus atm?
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Hehe sure. I'm still checking if new posts have come from times to times.
I'm suspicious of moosy and scott voting me over Sulfu and doing so while praising noobking's post. I'm also suspicious of them because even before reading their posts, they were the most likely mafia with kickstart in my mind.
I'm actually reading their filters right now, so I'll see if my suspicions are match by their posts.
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Kickstart
I think the guy is mafia for these reasons:
1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it.
2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game! Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around  . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx! Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like liars? Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. This goes for both sides. Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia. What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you. And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement. And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:ruXxar1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars. On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.
I'm gathering information to base my reads upon.
I can only evaluate what I've read so far.
Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.
You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments. I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case. Thoughts?
3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it.
+ Show Spoiler +First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?
5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well. On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot.
Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier. On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long.
Conclusion: Mafia
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Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.
I'll explain further when I get home.
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I'm also convinced that moosy is scum, possibly togrther with kick.
#vote moosy
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On June 15 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:KickstartI think the guy is mafia for these reasons: 1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it. 2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game! Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx! Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like liars? Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. This goes for both sides. Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia. What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you. And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement. And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:ruXxar1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars. On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.
I'm gathering information to base my reads upon.
I can only evaluate what I've read so far.
Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.
You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments. I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case. Thoughts? 3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it. + Show Spoiler +First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum? 5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well. On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot.
Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier. On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Conclusion: Mafia
What happened to moose and Scott?
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On June 16 2015 00:08 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:KickstartI think the guy is mafia for these reasons: 1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it. 2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game! Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx! Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like liars? Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. This goes for both sides. Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia. What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you. And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement. And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:ruXxar1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars. On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.
I'm gathering information to base my reads upon.
I can only evaluate what I've read so far.
Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.
You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments. I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case. Thoughts? 3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it. + Show Spoiler +First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum? 5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well. On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot.
Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier. On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Conclusion: Mafia What happened to moose and Scott?
scott's case coming very soon. (=
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scott31337
I think scott is mafia for these reasons
1. You knew it was coming (= scott's predecessor, plants, had only one post, and that post was super bad.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Show nested quote +Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot.
2. scott hoped on the "lynch Rels" train too easily for my taste. His only arguments were "Trfel's case is good" and "he didn't answer my question". Furthermore, the Trfel's case he's sheeping is not the initial one but a super bad one. Even noobking said so. See here for more info on case. In spoiler you'll find the evolution of scott's read on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. What the fuck is that thing. Say how we played differently or don't say anything at all. His next post is how he changed his reads on me. Just sheep the Trfel. Easy no effort would do again. On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! On June 15 2015 03:55 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game? That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was. (P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol) BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies. Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot. I don't know if he read the mafia QT either, but it was all a ruse to get newbtowncred. This brings up a very good point. So even in my question to rels (who has not answered yet) Sulfurus still hasn't posted anything. All there is are a couple posts on lynch Trfel (who I townread and is mostly townread at this time) so I'm doubtful this is going to happen. - so make a case or try again. I'm down for a Sulf or a Rels lynch. Where I'm at - BS looks- okay? even if we was incorrect Damdred is trying to solve the game WoS and Trfel are up there as well, I like WoS list post. Oats has a little defensive attitude, but slight town also Kickstart just feels so much more different then his last game as town which makes me wonder about him n00bking is a slight town read but a lot of wordy fluff in his posts Moosy I'm still a toss up on Ruxxar - His bluehunting was terrible. I want to smack him in the head with a trout. Donkey town? On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 13:08 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. was there any reason you didnt feel a need to post in the thread around that time? Who are your scumreads now? I did but indirectly. The flipped already happened - I went to re-evaluate. Rels / Sulf / KS - I have asked multiple questions to Rels and he could care less answering mine or the others. Sulf's filter as I've said before has a couple posts and then goes after Trfel KS would be the least of the three, but his game is so much different then last game and he was town.
3. Small filter, that can be explained by the fact that he replaced in. But in his small filters, there is a lot of fluff.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 06:22 scott31337 wrote:
I'm around if you have any questions. On June 13 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:
Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement. On June 14 2015 05:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play. In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic. It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios. I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town. A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to. I'm trying to rectify this. You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim. Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles. When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense. My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented. I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me. scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +
Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +
Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +
Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +
Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +
Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +
Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +
Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +
Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon. Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins? Please help me understand. Your first sentence is correct - "it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon." and It's usually going to be two roles and a goon, and one will probably be a roleblocker. But the hosts could have some crazy setup as well, you never know, this is just based on past TL mafia games. On June 15 2015 06:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side? In theory it's RNG. IX was all newbies until Holyflare replaced in.
4. Even more troubling than small filters with fluff posts, scott has a lot of his posts asking question. And he never did anything with the answer he got. Seriously, if scott asked you a question, look if he did anything with his answer.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:13 scott31337 wrote:
You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats) On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta? A lot of his posting recently- for an example Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia? On June 14 2015 09:49 scott31337 wrote:I want to re-read Sulf and Rels again among others. What would your reasons for this be?
5. That list post without any explanation. After I asked, he gave some one liners to explain each scum leans he has. His scum lean on ruxxar is not explained, given that he stated that he has a town lean on him before.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ? Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. Geript - Hasn't taken much of a stance - his list post wasn't that great - He's a good mafia player but really has a IDGAF mode this game so far. MoosyDoosy - pretty down the line middle - the "Sulfurus is the easiest to make a case" post, "wishy-washy" Sulfurus - has like four posts - unsure if he's legit AFK/IRL or just shitting the bed - and none of them were that great, and quick start vote. Probably leaning the most ATM RuXxar-3/4's of his thread is about liars and and the rest is pretty blah - Hopefully he'll show up tonight. Before this list post, here is the only time he gives his opinion on ruxxar: On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read
6. This post. This is such a bad post. Either you say what's different or you don't say anything at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder.
7. Voted geript 40 minutes before the deadline, without ever referencing him before. In his lynch list, Sulfu was the scummier. Two hours before EOD, he said he would lynch me over Sulfu.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! Here is his explanation for that: On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it.
8. This post were I put the theory of moosy and scott being mafia for acclaiming noobking's super play, but not following his last will. This is kinda weak on its own, but in addition to the other points that theory makes sense.
Conclusion: Mafia
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I'm leaving work in 30 minutes so I don't have the time to finish a full analysis of moosy's filter, as it is pretty enormous. Didn't think these two posts on scott and on kickstart would take me that long.
Here is what I'm going to do:
- In the time I have before going home, I'll analyse my hard town reads
- I'll do the moosy analysis when I get home, so you can expect it in 3 hours max. For the other players that will take longer as I also have to take care of my sick GF. I'll definitely do everybody before sleeping though, so I'll have posted analysis on everyone in 9 hours max.
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On June 15 2015 23:21 ruXxar wrote:
Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.
I'll explain further when I get home.
Here's my reasoning on sulfur:
1. Sulfur under pressure of getting lynched tries to accuse townread trfel of being mafia, and hard defends Rels.
This play is so bad that I don't even think a bad mafia would make this play, but still it's possible.
2. After n00bking's epitaph where he recommended to lynch sulfur as #1, moosy went of the offensive.
On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary.
Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name.
On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum?
On June 15 2015 07:47 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line.
On June 15 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:42 ruXxar wrote:
Gaaah, my head hurts real bad right now.
I can't understand sulfurs logic at all.
Why would he defend rels so hard yet make such a terrible play to not become a lynch target.
It makes no sense to me.
His actions are so inconsistent.
On one hand he hard defends rel for god knows what reason,
Then he makes a terrible play that I don't think a mafia would do.
I want some second opinions in this. Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them.
3. I then push really hard on sulfur to get his thoughts on Rels. He STILL didn't want to change his view on Rels and vote for him.
If he was mafia scum, and the #1 suspect by n00bking. Would he not also vote for rels to try to clear his name? Any sane mafia person would.
4. If I were mafia together with with sulfur, and our only chance of winning was to bus Rels as the first lynch target, would I not instruct my mafia teammate to also vote on Rels?
I can only conclude that Sulfurus is Town
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Here are some quicker analysis then KS' and scott's. Quicker 'cause I think these players are town.
Sulfurus
I think Sulfu is town for two reasons
1. Sulfu's play match his play on the newbie X game. Seriously, go read his filter on that game if you doubt that.
2. Sulfurus has been on a lot of pressure starting on the latter part of day 1. He could easily have been lynched. But he still hardefended me all game, even today where we are the two wagons. Noobking post pushed me even harder in this direction and I'm now sure Sulfu is town.
On June 15 2015 20:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
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And it's a GOOD question. If Sulfurus is scum and trying to avoid the noose, why is he protecting this new potential target (Rels)? Well, one explanation that would make sense is: If Rels is ALSO scum.
[...]
But this is convincing me that Sulfu is town even more. If Sulfu is mafia, there is no way he's defending me so hard, when, as noobking said, I'm a easy train de hop on and we're two likely candidates for lynch.
Conclusion : Town
Trfel
Wow. His filter is so good. Every action is backed up by reasons.
I'm not gonna quote or list reasons 'cause it's going to be quick.
Initially, I thought the only suspicious thing about him was how he changed his scumreads so many times during the end of day 1. But reading his filter, every change of opinion is clearly explicated. From me, then batsnacks mafia, then batsnacks town, then geript mafia ... the way he thinks is very clear.
I would very much like that he stopped on confirmation bias on me though. His initial reasons and BS reasons for suspecting me were good at the time, but then he went to evaluate a lot of my posts as mafia when there was no good reasons to. Talking about this and this.
Conclusion: Town
WaveofShadow
This guy is so universally read as town that that's going to be super quick too.
To be short:
- we can see his train of thought super easily
- he's pressuring people with good questions
- he's not jumping on my train even though it was so easy to do so at the start of day 2
Conclusion: Town
ruxxar
I think he's town because:
1. Post his thought very clearly on the thread.
2. I cannot see a mafia making this post.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town.
3. Tried to solve the game with arguments I understand and post questions.
+ Show Spoiler +I'll leave this post as example of solving. On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus.
BUT one point against him: I find extremely weird that he spends so many post wondering about blues, cops, if moosy is doctor, setups. It creates length of filter for no info at all
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side?
I think this guy is town. But the enormous amount of posts him discussing setups, blues, mafia teams ... is offsetting me a little bit. I rushed to finish this case so I didn't quote every post where he does that in the spoiler, but there is more.
Conclusion: Town lean
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