• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:21
CEST 04:21
KST 11:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash2[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy9ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10177 users

[SSL Autumn] Ro4 Preview: Plate Up!

Forum Index > BW General
10 CommentsPost a Reply

[SSL Autumn] Ro4 Preview: Plate Up!

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byv1
October 21st, 2024 03:40 GMT
ASL11 Main Image
We’re almost there, the Semi Finals are upon us, one side is a rematch from last season and the other side holds a chance for both players to finally return to the Grand Finals after a long time.

Liquipedia
Group A Preview

Salt & Pepper


Once again (P)Snow and (Z)Soulkey meet each other in the semifinals. Last season(ASL 17) Soulkey managed to ultimately claim victory after losing the first two sets to Snow. Will Soulkey come out more dominant this time or will Snow actually overcome Soulkey?

Soulkey boasts a monstrous 28-15(65.1)% winrate since the start of august in ZvP in daily proleagues and this series against Snow will be the first time this season he will be facing someone who is not Terran(which is his best matchup right now, so should he beat Snow and Sharp succeeds on his side we’re looking at a real chance of a 3-peat, something only Flash has accomplished).

Snow is also playing his first PvZ of the season boasting his own 15-10(60%) winrate since the start of august in daily proleagues.

Map 1: (Wiki)Minstrel - (P)Snow’s Pick
PZ: 74 wins, 58 losses (56.1%)
There have only been 7 PvZ all season and none of them were on Minstrel. Online stats puts it as a protoss favored map due to expansion patterns and how hard it is for zergs in particular to hold bases on the map, with the corridor bases in particular being so susceptible to early game reaver harassment especially with the current meta. This was always going to be Snow’s first choice.

Map 2: (Wiki)Monty Hall - (Z)Soulkey’s Pick
PZ: 17 wins, 58 losses (22.7%)
Monty hall is a game of rock paper scissors in pvz, scout right and the protoss might survive, scout poorly and they die to the first round of zerglings.There’s a reason we haven’t seen a single PvZ on the map this season. No-brainer for Soulkey.

Map 3: (Wiki)Pantheon - (P)Snow’s Pick
PZ: 69 wins, 71 losses (49.3%)
Normally for zerg their 3rd bases going against protoss is usually another natural so while the normal 3rds do suck for both races, zerg don’t have to deal with that until the mid-late game when they can hold bases more effectively, however pantheon is also really good for hiding proxies for protoss anyway so I think Snow can end things super quickly.

Map 4: (Wiki)KICK BACK - (Z)Soulkey’s Pick
PZ: 67 wins, 65 losses (50.8%)
Much like colosseum this map is meant to be a PvZ heaven, I don’t expect either player to be able to finish the match quick but if it happens its because snow walled poorly and lost to zerglings in the early game again which is something Soulkey has done before on this map. Failing that, a good hydra bust.

Map 5: (Wiki)Dominator - (P)Snow’s Pick
PZ: 77 wins, 88 losses (46.7%)
The season so far has only seen on PvZ on the map with hero beating Bisu in a solid game, now picking Dominator here is certainly a choice, maybe he thought Soulkey would have picked it himself already, the map just has more options for zerg. My suspicion is that Snow has a particular build in mind just for the map, likely involving proxy DTs and the like.

Map 6: (Wiki)Deja Vu - (Z)Soulkey’s Pick
PZ: 64 wins, 64 losses (50.0%)
No surprise for the online clean split for the map, its not a very gimmicky map either and might be well on its way to replace Radeon as the repeat map next season for how standard it has been on all the matchups, the middle highground being as connected between the natural and 3rd is means that its pretty hard to break out of a 3 base contain especially if its setup properly.

Map 7: (Wiki)Radeon - Decider
PZ: 351 wins, 369 losses (48.8%)
Its only fair to end on Radeon after a full series of maps that involve some form of gimmick for one player to exploit, but also being game 7 means that both players are going to be particularly desperate to win. If Snow tries to play a standard game, its very likely Soulkey will go hydra bust, on the other hand for Snow just as likely to go proxy 2 gate or any other strong cheese/all in. Hopefully by this point we'll see both try to pull something on each other.

Overall, the edge definitely goes to Soulkey and right now giving him an edge is just going to be him taking it to a mile, the idea of a back to back to back finals and even championship is not even a mere consideration but the expectation. Soulkey is just that good. Snow did not hope for this match again, but the fact that he knew this was what it would be coming down to means that he should have prepared something for Soulkey. This won’t be easy, it wasn’t easy last time, but I still don’t think Soulkey can be stopped by Snow.

(Z)Soulkey Advances to the Finals 4-2!

Group B Preview

Vacuum Sealed



(P)Rain makes his first semifinal appearance since his ASL 13 run to the finals, while (T)Sharp makes his back to back appearance in the semifinals. Will Rain be able to put on one last hurrah before he becomes a full time variety streamer? (Kidding). Or will Sharp finally make it back to the finals which has eluded him since the very first ASL? Read more to find out!

(P)Rain

Ever since Rain lost his opening match to Barracks, many thought that he would once again just be another meme player who is too busy being focused on League of Legends. But this hasn’t been the case at all, as Rain has gone undefeated ever since, knocking off the likes of ZerO, Mini, Speed, and Rush. In fact, it’s his two series against both Speed and Rush which I feel like Rain is actually going to end up taking this series. He completely nullified anything that either player was trying to execute against him, and it never felt like Rain was under any sort of pressure in each of those 6 games. His PvT isn’t his signature by any means, with his main matchup being PvP, but with some of these maps like Minstrel, he’s potentially figured out how to better play the matchup. Sweeping Rush 4-0 on the way that the semifinals is sure to boost his spirits and he’s been practicing on the eloboards. Although his current month has been a bit rough, only going 10-10 against Terran, I do expect that Rain is going to be able to take down Sharp.

(T)Sharp

Sharp held off hero 4-2 on his way to the semis in what was a pretty exciting series. He also took down the likes of Stork and Royal to make it out of the Ro16. And even last season, he took down BeSt in the quarterfinals. To me, Sharp has always been a TvT specialist, with reasonable winrates in his other matchups. He hasn’t been the most consistent against Protoss in his ASL career, but then again, almost no Terran is consistent against Protoss. However, there are some nice Terran maps in the pool, like Pantheon, which can help bolster Sharp’s chances of winning in this series. It’ll be an uphill fight for him, but Sharp has always been a very cool and collected player and has ways to get through a series.

Maps:
(P)Rain Picked (Wiki)Minstel(Set 1), (Wiki)KICK BACK(set 3), (Wiki)Monty Hall(Set 5)

No surprises here for map picks its the exact same ones he did against Rush, Minstrel will always be protoss's first choice its got good bases, great harrass potential and a great carrier map.

KICK BACK has its solid 3 base options and for a player like Rain who loves going the more templar route rather than robotics, having access to an easy 3rd gas means faster storms, Sharp is most certainly going to try to end the game quick so Rain should be actively scouting for it.

Monty Hall is an interesting final pick and we didn't get the chance to see it in his series against Rush, so whatever build he had for that managed to get saved for this match and since he doesn't have to worry about facing Terran after this, he can go ahead and use it openly.

(T)Sharp Picked (Wiki)Pantheon(Set 2), (Wiki)Radeon(Set 4), (Wiki)Deja Vu(Set 6)

Unlike Rush, Sharp wants to play Pantheon as early as possible just to break whatever momentum Rain could possibly generate should Rain win on Minstrel(which is the more likely outcome), Pantheon is hard for protoss to expand on, on top of Sharp being one of the best Vulture users and has won games with ihs harassment tactics.

I don't think Sharp should have picked Radeon at all, but it is the best map in the pool for him and one which every day Terran is pulling ahead from the other races as it gets more figured out.

Deja Vu is a solid map for TvP because of how well it supports the 2/1 timing and in general the mech push being able to approach into and contain bases from the high ground. Which means that tanks are absolute kings on the map, especially with little coverage.

Decider on (Wiki)Dominator(Set 7)
Sharp should have picked Dominator over Radeon when he had the chance, but so far in the season the map has been exactly 50-50 with 6 wins and 6 losses each as long as Sharp doesn't sit and let Rain take the rest of the map its not going to be hard, Sharp has a chance at the series if it comes to this point if he's able to survive the early game on the map.

All in all historically Sharp has beaten Rain 3 times all in ASL Wildcard matches, but lost to Rain in KSL season 3 where it mattered. Its hard to beat Rain when he's locked in and the one thing you cannot deny about Rain's performance this season is that he is completely Locked in.

(P)Rain to Advance to the Finals 4-1!


Writers: BLinD-RawR, FlashFTW
Graphics: v1
Editors: BLinD-RawR

Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50696 Posts
October 21 2024 03:44 GMT
#2
Sorry for the late post, real life happened to pretty much everyone on the team this week.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1110 Posts
October 21 2024 04:05 GMT
#3
Rain and Sharp had 2 great series in KSL history.
Iirc, Sharp won the first one and Rain won the 2nd one.

Both series were very entertaining, and i certainly hope this one will deliver as well
namkraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2021
539 Posts
October 21 2024 04:21 GMT
#4
Can't imagine Flash beating any of these 4 players atm.
Broodwar Forever
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5278 Posts
October 21 2024 08:24 GMT
#5
Nice read. I surely hope and think Sharp will not succumb 4-1 to Rain.

I saw Sharp as one of the first Terrans to very effectively push shuttle/reaver, so if Rain is trying this style, Sharp should be much tougher to hold back than Rush. Sharp generally doesn't back down from a fight and Rain doesn't have hot pick ups like Snow and Mini. I don't see Rain getting much success with reavers unless it's bombing SCVs.
FBH #1!
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey769 Posts
October 21 2024 11:48 GMT
#6
Rain vs Sharp should be close.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2106 Posts
October 21 2024 15:28 GMT
#7
Would be nice if we could get at least one close series...
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
October 21 2024 15:51 GMT
#8
interesting tidbit about match prep, I watched a tiny bit of Flash's stream where he said he helped Rain practice for his match vs. Sharp

Flash then said he wasn't sure if his practice was that helpful since Sharp's playstyle is so unique that Flash has a hard time imitating it

Contrast that to Sharp, who most likely practiced with Mini. Mini has said (bragged?) on stream in the past that he is the ideal practice partner because he is so good at imitating other Protoss players' playstyles. Mini even said that he was the reason other Protosses didn't reach far in prior ASLs lol
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2106 Posts
October 21 2024 21:08 GMT
#9
On October 22 2024 00:51 redknights wrote:
interesting tidbit about match prep, I watched a tiny bit of Flash's stream where he said he helped Rain practice for his match vs. Sharp

Flash then said he wasn't sure if his practice was that helpful since Sharp's playstyle is so unique that Flash has a hard time imitating it

Contrast that to Sharp, who most likely practiced with Mini. Mini has said (bragged?) on stream in the past that he is the ideal practice partner because he is so good at imitating other Protoss players' playstyles. Mini even said that he was the reason other Protosses didn't reach far in prior ASLs lol

Mini is a traitor!1
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
October 26 2024 15:45 GMT
#10
I'm glad Sharp advanced to the finals. Looking how well Soulkey dominated Snow it's hard to believe that any Protoss has even a small chance of beating him in a BO7 in his current form. Looking forward to the finals
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
118 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-26 22:14:27
October 26 2024 16:12 GMT
#11
On October 27 2024 00:45 Figgy wrote:
I'm glad Sharp advanced to the finals. Looking how well Soulkey dominated Snow it's hard to believe that any Protoss has even a small chance of beating him in a BO7 in his current form. Looking forward to the finals

Wishful thinking, SK in the current form is unstoppable, much less by Sharp, whose TvZ is among the weakest in top Terrans.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 166
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5509
Artosis 691
NaDa 14
Bale 12
Dota 2
monkeys_forever399
Other Games
summit1g11629
Grubby917
JimRising 520
WinterStarcraft370
Maynarde109
Mew2King58
ViBE52
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH255
• davetesta22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra995
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 39m
Afreeca Starleague
7h 39m
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
8h 39m
Monday Night Weeklies
13h 39m
Replay Cast
21h 39m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 7h
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
PiGosaur Cup
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
OSC
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.