EPTThe sc2 community and gay bashing - Page 5
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KwarK
United States42270 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:12 Audemed wrote: Well, yeah, I'm not saying I have no sympathy for people who ARE in distress (you have to be pretty cold), but once they DO commit the act, that sympathy disappears. Well I sure don't think this thread is about doing favors for the deceased, so I don't see how that matters here =p Edit: I'm editing this in because it directly responds to Kwark's post even though it's buried above. The problem lies in prejudice and not in nomenclature. "Gay" used as a pejorative basically carries all the prejudices about gay men with it. At its most removed from sexuality/gender concepts, it still means "cheap", "inferior", or "worthless." And it's also applied to things that are colorful, gaudy, or emotional in non-traditionally-masculine ways. The term as a pejorative encapsulates all the harmful prejudices we have about gay men, and that's why it's best left unsaid. This is why I don't think the meanings should share the word. I don't think the pejorative meaning is separate enough from the primary meaning, when the prejudices still exist and the very words "gay" and "faggot" are used by some to perpetuate them. | ||
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KwarK
United States42270 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:09 Apollo_Shards wrote: Wow, an internet community having people who are anti gay or use "gay" slurs? What a unique phenomena. Spare us your sarcasm. If tl were any more pro gay I couldn't type cause of all the handjobs I'd be giving men. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:09 TheToast wrote: Sorry I wasn't clear. When I say that blocking the chat won't fix the problem, the problem I am referring to is the culture of bullying that exists among the young adults in the US. It's not just an issue that affects the LGBT community either, but rather one that affects millions of young adults every year. That's the real problem, usage of this kind of language on TL, within SC, or where ever else is simply a symptom of the larger problem. Where did this sudden bullying obsession in America come from? Bullying has been going on for decades. Hell, it's probably been going on since the people developed language. It happens. Don't let your fucking kids have a Facebook account to prevent the online harassment. They can deal with it the same way we all did. I'm not just being a dick either. I mean, I AM being a dick, but I seriously don't understand this new obsession. | ||
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:16 KwarK wrote: Spare us your sarcasm. If tl were any more pro gay I couldn't type cause of all the handjobs I'd be giving men. Thats the point. This community isnt even anywhere near anti gay. THIS is what actually happens to reasonable communities. People claim offence about something and draw tons of unnecessary attention to it (we already have a thread about gay sc players). It is used as a common adjective (gay) when it isn't meant to be derogatory. Same thing happens with the word retard. People need to grow skin, ESPECIALLY on the internet. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:19 ayaz2810 wrote: Where did this sudden bullying obsession in America come from? Bullying has been going on for decades. Hell, it's probably been going on since the people developed language. It happens. Don't let your fucking kids have a Facebook account to prevent the online harassment. They can deal with it the same way we all did. I'm not just being a dick either. I mean, I AM being a dick, but I seriously don't understand this new obsession. You'd think, right? But evidently some people "deal with it" by killing themselves. Life is just funny that way. | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
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spree
United States86 Posts
But in a criminal case, intent plays a different role, because it establishes legal responsibility and stuff like that. And then in the more general sense, if you commit a crime mistakenly, intent does remove your liability from the crime but mostly explains or justifies your actions. In the end, time will be the solution. I think people will just move on to different words. After retard I'm not sure what will be left HA ha hd uR Du r. | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:12 Zandar wrote: I'm all for a gay progamers to come out of the closet, because it will give gay nerds an example, someone who proves your sexual orientation shouldn't be an obstacle to achieve your goals. Like the color of your skin, your gender, things you cannot change yourself. That being said, I'm with Destiny/Debo on the offensive language department: It's words. a few letters. You should ask yourself, why does "gay" or "faggot" offend me? Instead be proud of it, of who you are, not ashamed of it. Oh and a side note, everytime I see gl hf <3, or gl hf :D, gl hf  I assume cheese and 90% of the times it's the case. Maybe that's a part of the reason people react like that too  I agree with you. When I think about this, it occurs to me that offending actually starts at the person being OFFENDED. Like you have so eloquently said, they are just words essentially. I mean, I think obviously there's a certain tone that people have when referring to other people in a derogatory way, and there's not just one. This thread talks a lot about people of the homosexual nature, and I'm sure other famous references have been made such as nigger, wetback, chink, etc etc (lol, c wat i did ther?) But something I've noticed is that even without these words, offense can still be taken. Some people refer to these people as snobs, because they have this attitude that they are smarter than you, and they do know more - You could say it was their tone. But can it really be the tone? Or is there something more? You see, the tone itself can sound offensive but couldn't we defend this with "this is how they always talk?" People use to say to me all the time that I SOUNDED like I was assuming they were dumb, but what was happening was this was just my normal tone. I've come to hear it sometimes now, and can change it for fear of doing that, but I didn't know that people thought it sounded like I thought I was smarter than them. These thoughts lead me to the conclusion that perhaps offense is not created necessarily by the offender, but can also be created by the offended. Look at people's attachments to words in general - marriage? The Christian religion (I've specifically heard the LDS Church say this, and a few of my christian friends) wants to protect the idea of marriage, because their beliefs say that only a man and a woman should be married. Or the word pwned? I can't tell you how many of me and my gamer friends were disgusted when we heard people using that word. That was our word, and we didn't like that those who we didn't think truly as gamers should use it. This isn't uncommon - Names of teams, countries, languages, even specifying someone's else language as "symbols" is offensive to some because of their attachment to the idea that it's an "alphabet." The point that I am trying to arrive to is that taking offense is still done on the part of the offended, but not always. However, it's important to recognize the differences when someone is using a word in a different way (not to offend) and when someone is using it on purpose to offend. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Whatever. I'll continue to use gay loosely and rarely imply anything about sexuality when I use it. If we were to start a language crusade raped would be more pertinent to stop the use of rather than gay or faggot. However- Fuck that. Language in all its colorful and often times cruel manifestations is what makes conversation interesting. Unless someone is physically threatening another person over their sexuality I don't think the language they casually use in a game is very important. Just my opinion. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
As I explained in a post somewhere on this page, to me it's basically a synthesis of unfortunate stereotypes and prejudices about gay men, but applied to things other than men. Cheapness, inferior quality, gaudiness, showiness, effeminacy, display of emotion, etc. I think that the word's pejorative use smacks of prejudice even if you're not using to stir up prejudice, or even thinking about it. But not thinking about something doesn't make it go away. Edit: @ Probe1: For what it's worth, I think "raped" is in pretty bad taste as well. And I don't bother crusading about it either; I don't recall talking about this before this thread, but it's what the thread is about, so it's what I think. | ||
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
This is not including how gay we'd all go for MKP. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:33 turdburgler wrote: im a happy person, im offended that people are using the word gay to talk about penis's going up bums. gay means happy and it offends happy people to have our word stolen like this Those terms are standard English words... but some people use it as slang and altered the meaning of the words... from its true meaning... faggot 1. a bundle of sticks or twigs, esp when bound together and used as fuel 2. a bundle of iron bars, esp a box formed by four pieces of wrought iron and filled with scrap to be forged into wrought iron 3. a ball of chopped meat, usually pork liver, bound with herbs and bread and eaten fried 4. a bundle of anything gay year 1178, "full of joy or mirth," Synonyms 3. gleeful, jovial, glad, joyous, happy, cheerful, sprightly, blithe, airy, light-hearted; vivacious, frolicsome, sportive, hilarious. Gay, jolly, joyful, merry describe a happy or light-hearted mood. Gay suggests a lightness of heart or liveliness of mood that is openly manifested: when hearts were young and gay. Jolly indicates a good-humored, natural, expansive gaiety of mood or disposition: a jolly crowd at a party. Joyful suggests gladness, happiness, rejoicing: joyful over the good news. Merry is often interchangeable with gay: a merry disposition; a merry party; it suggests, even more than the latter, convivial animated enjoyment. 4. brilliant. | ||
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Bango
United States106 Posts
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chaK
Canada34 Posts
Also, protip: people who you think are "gaybashing" aren't. For example, the word "faggot" is not usually used as a derogatory term for a homosexual. It's most often used as a synonym for "scrub", "idiot", "dickhead", or what have you. Language evolves, get used to it. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Zirith
Canada403 Posts
When I say that cheesers are gay, I mean they suck dicks, and when I say they suck dicks, I mean they are heterosexuals that are forced to suck dicks because they cheese. They don't enjoy it and that is why it is an insult. I'm not bashing homosexuals, I've been friends with 2 for over 10 years, I use the phrase "that was so gay" almost all the time. Not because it was gay but because that it is culturally understood that gay means perverse, and perverse means something I don't want to see. Bigots gave the word a negative connotation and now I use it... wait wtf, some ignorant faggot created a hurtful word out of a word that means happy, and now I use it whenever I am uncomfortable... whatinthefuckinthefuck. I guess I'll stop. | ||
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Starcraft2Radio
United States132 Posts
Don't get me wrong, I get mad on the ladder just like anybody else, but I think the essence of name-calling at all means you're a poor communicator and I guarantee you wouldn't ever say stuff like that to somebody's face, because you know if you did you'd probably get your ass kicked. So, just be aware that the next time you go spouting off name-calling words, you sound like a child that shouldn't be allowed on mommy and daddy's computer. Even if you are a smart person in reality, that's how you come across to me, and do you want to go around parading that image to people you don't know? Secondly, people say stupid stuff on the internet all the time. Taking offense to it is something you choose to do, whether you consciously believe it. You can choose to ignore it and move on, or you can choose to dwell on it and be angry. Ultimately, they don't know you as a person, so their comments toward your sexuality, intelligence or whatever mean absolutely nothing. Treat it as nothing, and it won't bother you. Frankly, I don't know that it's really important to know the gender, race, sexual orientation or whatever about another person that I don't know. Even if I know them, why should I care if they are black, white, straight, gay, whatever? It has no pertinence to my relationship with them as a person, so I don't see why it's important. I'm all for equal rights and think it's quite ridiculous that, legally, people can't recognize a civil union (or marriage or whatever word you want to use to describe it) among two same-gendered people. I don't see what the point of restricting it is, the same as I don't see what the point of knowing whether somebody is gay or not. It really doesn't matter. What people do in their personal lives doesn't hurt me or anybody else, so who gives a shit? | ||
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