EPTThe sc2 community and gay bashing - Page 6
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
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Wuiph
Austria28 Posts
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berserkboar
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Brazil71 Posts
I don't like gay people, I see no problem with that. I don't like douches as well. If someone is gay I'll call him "gay". If someone is a douche I'll call him "douche". Afterall, you are the one that should assume being gay :D User was warned for this post | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
I do take offense to the argument that people are allowing themselves to be offended by it though. I imagine the majority of people playing SC2 are straight caucasian males who generally aren't classified as a minority and don't have any particularly hateful words directed towards them. Without being in a minority and knowing first hand what effect a word can have, I don't think you have a place to tell someone whether they should or shouldn't be offended by it. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
Keep trying to fight abusive behavior. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:56 R1CH wrote: I'm pretty sure it's not intentional, no one sets out to "gay bash" when they throw around these words. It sucks that it happens and yes it's not a very mature way of expressing yourself, but with the Internet and anonymity people don't really take other peoples feelings into account as nearly as much as they should. I do take offense to the argument that people are allowing themselves to be offended by it though. I imagine the majority of people playing SC2 are straight caucasian males who generally aren't classified as a minority and don't have any particularly hateful words directed towards them. Without being in a minority and knowing first hand what effect a word can have, I don't think you have a place to tell someone whether they should or shouldn't be offended by it. Maybe, but all the same, best to be cautious and be polite. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:56 R1CH wrote: I'm pretty sure it's not intentional, no one sets out to "gay bash" when they throw around these words. It sucks that it happens and yes it's not a very mature way of expressing yourself, but with the Internet and anonymity people don't really take other peoples feelings into account as nearly as much as they should. I do take offense to the argument that people are allowing themselves to be offended by it though. I imagine the majority of people playing SC2 are straight caucasian males who generally aren't classified as a minority and don't have any particularly hateful words directed towards them. Without being in a minority and knowing first hand what effect a word can have, I don't think you have a place to tell someone whether they should or shouldn't be offended by it. why do you need to be the minority to be the 'victim' of hateful words? im a young white male, but im also short. ive had people take the piss out of me all my life for it. i dont take any special offence to height jokes or jibes than i do any other kind of rude language. i dont feel offended when the word short is used in a normal sentence or when its used to describe someone, even when that description is rude too them. maybe being gay is different, being black is different. but for me there are 100s of things for people to be the minority of. being male is a minority, being short being fat. and yet there seems to be this spectrum of which is more serious. people should stop trying to argue that their minority is more important or needs defending, and argue that all rude things are bad, seperating yourself from the crowd by being a supporter of gay rights or whatever just comes across (to me) as a self serving attitude, people should campaign for human rights, not just the rights of people like them. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:56 R1CH wrote: I do take offense to the argument that people are allowing themselves to be offended by it though. I imagine the majority of people playing SC2 are straight caucasian males who generally aren't classified as a minority and don't have any particularly hateful words directed towards them. Without being in a minority and knowing first hand what effect a word can have, I don't think you have a place to tell someone whether they should or shouldn't be offended by it. I imagine the majority of people playing SC2 are classified as a minority called nerds  But joking aside, I really do think there is a choice, you always have the option to grow a though skin and choose not to be offended. | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
http://vorpalbunnyranch.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/this-gaymers-story/ | ||
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sotmh
United States41 Posts
why do you need to be the minority to be the 'victim' of hateful words? im a young white male, but im also short. ive had people take the piss out of me all my life for it. i dont take any special offence to height jokes or jibes than i do any other kind of rude language. i dont feel offended when the word short is used in a normal sentence or when its used to describe someone, even when that description is rude too them. maybe being gay is different, being black is different. but for me there are 100s of things for people to be the minority of. being male is a minority, being short being fat. and yet there seems to be this spectrum of which is more serious. people should stop trying to argue that their minority is more important or needs defending, and argue that all rude things are bad, seperating yourself from the crowd by being a supporter of gay rights or whatever just comes across (to me) as a self serving attitude, people should campaign for human rights, not just the rights of people like them. Except that being black or gay is different from being short or fat or some other arbitrary condition. Groups that have been historically victimized or oppressed are likely to take offense at the use of words that have been historically used to victimize and oppress them, setting up a false equivalency does your argument no justice. | ||
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WinByDefault
Australia19 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:01 turdburgler wrote: why do you need to be the minority to be the 'victim' of hateful words? im a young white male, but im also short. ive had people take the piss out of me all my life for it. i dont take any special offence to height jokes or jibes than i do any other kind of rude language. i dont feel offended when the word short is used in a normal sentence or when its used to describe someone, even when that description is rude too them. The problem isn't with the word "gay", it's with the context it is used in. I have yet to meet a homosexual that had a problem being called gay. The problem arises with using "gay" as an insult. This implies that being gay is something that you should be ashamed of, that it is a bad thing. This is where the homophobia arises, not simply in the use of the term. maybe being gay is different, being black is different. but for me there are 100s of things for people to be the minority of. being male is a minority, being short being fat. and yet there seems to be this spectrum of which is more serious. people should stop trying to argue that their minority is more important or needs defending, and argue that all rude things are bad, seperating yourself from the crowd by being a supporter of gay rights or whatever just comes across (to me) as a self serving attitude, people should campaign for human rights, not just the rights of people like them. And saying that being a supporter of gay rights is self serving is wrong for two reasons. Firstly, its not just gay people that are in support of it, and secondly, that's like saying that the whole civil rights movement was just self serving. And even if it is "self-serving", why is this a bad thing? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:01 turdburgler wrote: why do you need to be the minority to be the 'victim' of hateful words? im a young white male, but im also short. ive had people take the piss out of me all my life for it. i dont take any special offence to height jokes or jibes than i do any other kind of rude language. i dont feel offended when the word short is used in a normal sentence or when its used to describe someone, even when that description is rude too them. maybe being gay is different, being black is different. but for me there are 100s of things for people to be the minority of. being male is a minority, being short being fat. and yet there seems to be this spectrum of which is more serious. people should stop trying to argue that their minority is more important or needs defending, and argue that all rude things are bad, seperating yourself from the crowd by being a supporter of gay rights or whatever just comes across (to me) as a self serving attitude, people should campaign for human rights, not just the rights of people like them. Being male is not a minority in the same way as being homosexual or female or african american or any number of other things are. (Being short and fat aren't either, especially given the obesity problem in America). When you walk down the street at night you don't have to be afraid of random men giving you cat calls and getting raped. According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[20] 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape. (according to Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault) You don't have to be afraid to getting killed because some guys think you're gay and decide a fun way to spend the night is to bash your head in. You don't have to worry about being disowned by your own family for being "Short" or a "Nerd". You don't have to worry about having a hide an essential part of you in fear of extreme alienation and judgement by your peers (by this I don't mean typical "bullying" as there are many worse things). Self-hate and depression are huge problems due to feeling "not normal". Being nerdy and being short isn't "not normal" in the same sense as being homosexual is by any measure. Teens faced harassment, threats, and violence. In the US, students heard anti-gay slurs such as “homo”, “faggot” and “sissy” about 26 times a day on average, or once every 14 minutes, according to a 1998 study by Mental Health America.[4] About two-thirds of gay and lesbian students in Britain’s schools have suffered from gay bullying, a survey by the Schools Health Education Unit found. Almost all that had been bullied had experience verbal attacks, 41 percent had been physically attacked, and 17 percent had received death threats.[5] There is a high rate of suicide among gay men and lesbian women. According to a 1979 Jay and Young study, 40 percent of gay men and 39 percent of gay women in the US had attempted or seriously thought about suicide.[6] In 1985, F. Paris estimated that suicides by gay youth may comprise up to 30 percent of all youth suicides in the US.[6] The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention has found that gay, lesbian and bisexual youth attempt suicide at a rate three to six times that of similar-age heterosexual youth.[7] I'm not even going to GET into the issue of race. Being a white male is basically fucking awesome in America. Everyone else gets it way worse. | ||
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mister.bubbles
Canada171 Posts
The whole point of the article isn't to prove that the use of homophobic language on the internet is gaybashing in action, the point is that for gay people hearing homophobic slang used around them all the time causes massive amounts of stress, anxiety and even feelings of inferiority. I can't even imagine what must be going through people's heads to think that living your life hearing people using language that demeans you and that your characteristics are so negative that they make a suitable insult would't make you feel worse, that hearing people insult you your whole life would be fine because they were just kidding. You people who say "toughen up" absolutely disgust me. How can you tell someone to toughen up? When was the last time someone on the internet insulted you because of your race or your heritage or your sexual orientation? Do you actually believe that gay people who feel the desire to not be insulted for their sexual orientation don't deserve to be on the internet? Do you actually think that just because the person flaming doesn't actually know if that the person they are calling fa**** is homosexual makes it not hurt at all to hear it? Bottom line for me is that if you expect a black person to just sit there while you call him a ni**** then you are a racist, and if you expect a gay person to just sit there and let you call him fa****, even on the internet then you are homophobic, and if they called you on it and you would feel the need to apologize then why the hell are you calling people that in the first place? I don't understand how it isn't completely obvious and a no brainer, but homophobic language is hurtful maybe even more so when it is a joke and should be avoided. I think less of people for using homophobic language and I am proud to do so. The SC2 scene is full of great people and has every reason to be able to transcend the problems that make the rest of the internet a horrible place. | ||
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GloryOfAiur
United States127 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On October 28 2011 03:54 Rubber wrote: Except "faggot" is still the insult of choice for bullies looking to pick on gay kids. I don't understand how you can argue that this isn't the most widely used and deeply ingrained meaning of the word in the United States. Well, words more often than not have multiple meanings. For example, gay can mean happy, or it can mean homosexual. These days, faggot can be a homophobic slur, or it can just mean that you're an idiot or a dick. Remember that South Park episode with the biker gang? When they all roll through town on their big loud motorcycles looking for attention they are being faggots. It's not because they are acting like homosexuals, but because they are being idiots/dicks. I think that, as with many words with multiple definitions, the definition we choose to interpret from it ultimately comes down to context. Another example would be the word "bitch." This word can be interpreted as "female dog" or a slur against women. When we hear someone refer to a female dog as a bitch, we never think of it as a slur against women. The same can be said about "faggot." If somebody pours a class of water over his friends head, and in response his friend calls him a "faggot", he is not using the word to compare his water-dumping friend to a homosexual. He is just saying that is friend is being a moron or a dick. | ||
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Chernobyl
Brazil143 Posts
Play and dont try to find bulling everywhere. | ||
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:22 sotmh wrote: Except that being black or gay is different from being short or fat or some other arbitrary condition. Groups that have been historically victimized or oppressed are likely to take offense at the use of words that have been historically used to victimize and oppress them, setting up a false equivalency does your argument no justice. historically people of the 'wrong weight' have been victimised too. people have been laughing at midgets for 100s of years, i dont see your point. | ||
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Akamu
United States309 Posts
That being said. I frequently use the word gay and faggot in place of the word stupid and i'm not gonna stop. Same reason as why i'm not going to NOT say rape in reference to gaming. Different contexts. I would never say faggot or rape in front of a gay person or rape victim same as how i wouldn't say "damn that bitch is faaaawwking hawt" in front of my mom even if i would in front of my friends. Context matters. This is a silly issue imo. Move on. | ||
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