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On March 01 2012 05:22 besteady wrote:Absolutely disgusting, you are a sad human being. And so are the rest of you that are doing some mental gymnastics to try to make it seem like you are being attacked, and are mocking the op because he feels that people do not deserve to have to face prejudice in their daily lives. Think of it this way, how much harm does it do to you to not use homophobic slurs? and how much harm is done to those whom the slurs are used against? The second can have much, much bigger consequences. And the argument that "this is the internet, get used to it or dont come on in the first place" is a very bad one because being white males (as most of you are) you know nothing of prejudice in the first place, and the internet is tailored to you because you are the dominate force on it.
Yea as a white nerdy male i have never faced prejudices in my entire life. /sarcasm
Well i don't really get it. If i get called a nerd (as an insult) be it on the internet or IRL im like "whatever, so what?"
If someone throws words like gay as an insult towards you why would you be upset? If THEY see being gay as bad how does that influence you? Why do you value their opinion at all if they are obviously that childish about something not that rare (in todays society).
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On March 01 2012 07:29 sofakng wrote:
I call my friends faggot or say somethings gay. It's just part of my vocabulary now/ I know gay people have gay cousins friends. Doesn't really bother me and they'll make jokes about like dick or what have you. Some people just need to learn to grow up and understand words are words. If you let them hurt you they will. I was bullied quite harshly for much of my life up until the middle of highschool so it's not like I havent been on both sides. It honestly has made me a bit more defensive when people say things but we all do it now in good fun. You're just going to have to deal with it as it wont stop anytime soon.
I just don't understand this attitude.
What is to stop YOU from not using those words? Just because other people will not take a stand, doesn't mean YOU can't.
Just because this is the internet does not mean we all have to become the lowest common denominator. It's such a very very small thing to change a couple of words so as to not hurt other people.
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On March 01 2012 09:19 DR.Ham wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 07:29 sofakng wrote:
I call my friends faggot or say somethings gay. It's just part of my vocabulary now/ I know gay people have gay cousins friends. Doesn't really bother me and they'll make jokes about like dick or what have you. Some people just need to learn to grow up and understand words are words. If you let them hurt you they will. I was bullied quite harshly for much of my life up until the middle of highschool so it's not like I havent been on both sides. It honestly has made me a bit more defensive when people say things but we all do it now in good fun. You're just going to have to deal with it as it wont stop anytime soon. I just don't understand this attitude. What is to stop YOU from not using those words? Just because other people will not take a stand, doesn't mean YOU can't. Just because this is the internet does not mean we all have to become the lowest common denominator. It's such a very very small thing to change a couple of words so as to not hurt other people.
I really think people over exaggerate the whole thing. Hell I'm bi myself and way more homo then hetero and I still throw faggot/fag/gay around like its common place. Words don't get to me and shouldn't get to anyone. The people that let the words get to them are attention whores and if you ignore them they start to disappear. I honestly can't understand where people come from when they get offended over the modern day usage of the word gay/fag/faggot etc...
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On March 01 2012 09:26 Troxle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 09:19 DR.Ham wrote:On March 01 2012 07:29 sofakng wrote:
I call my friends faggot or say somethings gay. It's just part of my vocabulary now/ I know gay people have gay cousins friends. Doesn't really bother me and they'll make jokes about like dick or what have you. Some people just need to learn to grow up and understand words are words. If you let them hurt you they will. I was bullied quite harshly for much of my life up until the middle of highschool so it's not like I havent been on both sides. It honestly has made me a bit more defensive when people say things but we all do it now in good fun. You're just going to have to deal with it as it wont stop anytime soon. I just don't understand this attitude. What is to stop YOU from not using those words? Just because other people will not take a stand, doesn't mean YOU can't. Just because this is the internet does not mean we all have to become the lowest common denominator. It's such a very very small thing to change a couple of words so as to not hurt other people. I really think people over exaggerate the whole thing. Hell I'm bi myself and way more homo then hetero and I still throw faggot/fag/gay around like its common place. Words don't get to me and shouldn't get to anyone. The people that let the words get to them are attention whores and if you ignore them they start to disappear. I honestly can't understand where people come from when they get offended over the modern day usage of the word gay/fag/faggot etc...
It's about intent. If someone calls you a faggot and specifically targets your homosexuality it's something different from calling someone a faggot because he's being a douche.
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On March 01 2012 09:26 Troxle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 09:19 DR.Ham wrote:On March 01 2012 07:29 sofakng wrote:
I call my friends faggot or say somethings gay. It's just part of my vocabulary now/ I know gay people have gay cousins friends. Doesn't really bother me and they'll make jokes about like dick or what have you. Some people just need to learn to grow up and understand words are words. If you let them hurt you they will. I was bullied quite harshly for much of my life up until the middle of highschool so it's not like I havent been on both sides. It honestly has made me a bit more defensive when people say things but we all do it now in good fun. You're just going to have to deal with it as it wont stop anytime soon. I just don't understand this attitude. What is to stop YOU from not using those words? Just because other people will not take a stand, doesn't mean YOU can't. Just because this is the internet does not mean we all have to become the lowest common denominator. It's such a very very small thing to change a couple of words so as to not hurt other people. I really think people over exaggerate the whole thing. Hell I'm bi myself and way more homo then hetero and I still throw faggot/fag/gay around like its common place. Words don't get to me and shouldn't get to anyone. The people that let the words get to them are attention whores and if you ignore them they start to disappear. I honestly can't understand where people come from when they get offended over the modern day usage of the word gay/fag/faggot etc...
Surely the reverse is true too? If people stop using those words, then the problem goes away. I find the idea that we should just get rid of the people who are offended quite amazing. Are there any other groups of people you would like to see disappear?
For me it shows a distinct lack of intellect for people to say that they are not racist/homophobic/sexist, but continue to vehemently defend their right to use racist/homophobic/sexist language.
Maybe I'm being simplistic, but if you're not racist/homophobic/sexist just don't use the language, if you are, then admit it and stop using straw man arguments.
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In the words of Louis C.K. – I wouldn't call someone a faggot for being homosexual. I would only call someone a faggot for being... well... a faggot.
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In the latest researches gay people are apparently about four percent of the population
I would like to point out your research is from 2004. Since then, more research have come out suggesting as many as 10-15% of the world population is gay/lesbian/bisexual with about 5% transgendered. Also, these stats could STILL be wrong dude to fear of coming out or others knowing. So as many as 15 out of 100 of YOUR division could be gay.
But OP is right. The likelihood of there being several gay pros is VERY high. Most of them are likely scared to come out due to being boo'd away. Id say most of this community is gay friendly, but there are still some of use that still spew hate. It's fucking 2012 guys. Get over it!
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On February 29 2012 13:21 Bagration wrote:
4% of the population is gay? Well, first off, I think you need to specify there. I was under the impression that there was a spectrum, rather than a black and white distinction, since a person can be bi-sexual but favor hetero relationships, or vice versa.
You wouldn't by any chance be referring to the Kinsey Scale would you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale
There you go.
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If you are gay, embrace it. Most gay bashers are just people who can't come to grips with their own sexuality, and they take out there internal frustrations on you for having the courage to not give a shit about it.
As a straight man, I have no problem with gay people, alot of them are cool, and they have a ton of chick friends.
Its a win-win in my mind, 1 less man going after the hottest chicks, and the unique insight into life you get from talking to them.
As with most things in life, most of the things people hate on are just things they are insecure about.
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I think the fact that people are throwing around derogatory terms so easily in response to this thread, battle net, and most importantly the internet displays a concerning social issue.
How have we become so desensitized to this matter? Where we merely say it's ok to use derogatory terms over the internet just to convey a sense of anger.
Is it really easier to become mad with someone over the internet and insult them, which in the end achieves nothing, or to merely exit out, calm your self down, and proceed with another activity or move on to another game.
I find that in the same way the friends you choose reflect who you are. The way you act in the community reflects who you are, and the way the community around a game acts can as the OP said in paraphrase: make the game stronger or bring it down.
This is just a personal opinion, I'm new to Team Liquid so I don't even know if this kind of posting that I'm doing is applauded or looked down upon. I feel like the OP did a good job calling attention to the subject matter, especially with what the social stigma is doing to our growing homosexual orientation. All I can say is that coming from an extremely conservative family I have grown to accept, with the help of the internet oddly enough, that people are born differently and allowed to choose whatever orientation they prefer and should be free from judgement.
Sorry for making this nearly as long as the original post, hope every one who has taken the time to read this until the end has a wonderful day.
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I could see if someone walked straight up to your face and called you a faggot or gay or something (and they know you to be so) then that is terrible. Someone calling you that over the internet or sc2, they have absolutely no idea of your sexual preference and there is virtually no way you could know. I would not get offended from someone insulting me that knows absolutely nothing about me. There are probly more heterosexual people that get called these terms then there are homosexual.
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Faggot == Nigger. If one is not okay, then the other is definitely the fuck not. Both have been, and are used to oppress and hurt large minorities. Nobody has that right.
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