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sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said.
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On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say.
"While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says.
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While I totally understand and forgive Axiom for not showing at ATC finals (GL to CranK btw), I don't get the "misunderstood 1,500 $" reason. Since the beginning of the cup, it has been clear that the 1,500 $ were for the whole team. I can't believe that me, random SC2 fan, knew about this and not the owners of one of the team participating in the event.
As a Millenium fan now, I appreciate the fact that the admins decided to fill the missing spot but I won't rejoice that Axiom can't attend. Not being able to attend an event you qualified for must be one of the most painful situation for a player/team. It's not the way I wanted Millenium to "qualify".
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On August 15 2013 01:15 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:01 DJHelium wrote:
Team MVP had this whole fundraiser thingie knowing that they would only be getting $1500. There is no way that TB/Genna didn't know about it as the fundraiser got announced, so there has been quite som time to do something (forfeit league or start their own fundraiser). Yeah, but the fundraiser was really badly organised. It was short term and at a bad time.
My point is that Axiom would know how much money they're getting from that point at least.
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There is no one to blame here, if TakeTV had to pay the whole bill for shipping axiom from korea to europe it would probably cost about $6000 if not even more. It's really to bad Axiom won't make the commitment but it is understandable that they want to try to have a team that breaks even money wise in the end, it shows serious management and that they want to be sustainable for years to come.
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On August 15 2013 01:47 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say. "While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says.
I disagree and think teams should be responsable and make sure they don't spend money they don't have. It the price of attending is to high, then you have to cut your losses and focus on what you can focus on. Their players rely on them not wasting money or failing to balance the books. And I think blaming people for being responsable is a dick thing to do.
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On August 15 2013 01:47 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say. "While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says.
401K is the name of a common savings plan (a rough definition at least). She's not saying she has 401,000$.
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Find our official News and Statement about Axiom not attending at the Acer TeamStoryCup Final powered by Intel and also that Millenium will replace them below. We are very sad to announce that and hope to see Axiom back in our next possible season who did a great job. Also thank you to the managment of Axiom who tried to find a solution until the very end.
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On August 15 2013 01:47 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say. "While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says.
Just to clarify that number: a 401k is an American term for a special savings/pension plan (they do not have pension insurances backed by the state like most european nations do), it does not mean that she has 401k$ as a reserve.
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On August 15 2013 01:54 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:47 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say. "While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says. 401K is the name of a common savings plan (a rough definition at least). She's not saying she has 401,000$.
i didnt know that either. a lot of ppl will be confused by this. i was also wondering why she would disclose here personal savings in public
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On August 15 2013 01:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:47 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say. "While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says. I disagree and think teams should be responsable and make sure they don't spend money they don't have. It the price of attending is to high, then you have to cut your losses and focus on what you can focus on. Their players rely on them not wasting money or failing to balance the books. And I think blaming people for being responsable is a dick thing to do.
is it responsible or responsable? curious and would like to maybe learn a new thing.
besides that i disagree with your posting cuz its a chain of mistakes that lead to your conclusion and those mistakes should never happen in the first place. your statement alone would be accurate but with all the circumstances axiom surely is to blame, even if only partly cuz i dont know all the facts.
^_^ thanks acrow
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On August 15 2013 02:03 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:54 Ansinjunger wrote:On August 15 2013 01:47 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 grs wrote:On August 15 2013 01:34 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 01:32 xsnac wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Yhamm wrote:(Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.) yeah, let's prepare for a future event in case you get the offline event, and skip the offline event you already have really really bad move why you read only what you want ? Well all that info wasn't up there when he posted. Still kind of a dick thing to say. It is super sad to see that Axiom is having such problems with cash flow. I really want them to do well, but getting an ROI must be really hard. Glad they are making the tough choices and being honest about it. Clearly it time to sell us all some T-shirts. Why is that a dick thing to say? One of the reasons given does state exactly that. That and their budget is so tight that the owner has been dipping into her 401K to fund the team. That really sucks and clearly they are struggling to make their budget go. If he thinks its a bad move to be responsable and not spend money the team might not have, I guess he can think that. However, I am going to say it sort of a dickish thing to say. "While our team is not in any kind of financial distress (if it were, I have my primary accounts and 401K to dip into)" --> does in my mind not mean "I have spent much of my personal 401k", but "I have 401k I am not dipping into". Whatever that number is supposed to mean but, "look how rich I am, I am so legit". Anyways, I agree that this is a bad move and Yhamm is quite right on what he says. 401K is the name of a common savings plan (a rough definition at least). She's not saying she has 401,000$. i didnt know that either. a lot of ppl will be confused by this. i was also wondering why she would disclose here personal savings in public
Yes, and dipping into one early comes with massive fees, so it is not a good thing to do if you can avoid it.
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On August 15 2013 01:58 TaKeTV wrote:Find our official News and Statement about Axiom not attending at the Acer TeamStoryCup Final powered by Intel and also that Millenium will replace them below. We are very sad to announce that and hope to see Axiom back in our next possible season who did a great job. Also thank you to the managment of Axiom who tried to find a solution until the very end. TaKeTV News
So Mill indeed is taking the spot - that's great news amidst all this unfortunate hickup. Best outcome possible imho.
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Lol are they serious? That's pretty unfair to all the other teams in ATC. And to the sponsors of ATC as well as the viewers.
I understand they don't want to use their personal savings, but I feel that there should be a better way to handle this.
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On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote:
sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said.
And they could not have foreseen this before because...?
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On August 15 2013 01:51 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:15 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 01:01 DJHelium wrote:
Team MVP had this whole fundraiser thingie knowing that they would only be getting $1500. There is no way that TB/Genna didn't know about it as the fundraiser got announced, so there has been quite som time to do something (forfeit league or start their own fundraiser). Yeah, but the fundraiser was really badly organised. It was short term and at a bad time. My point is that Axiom would know how much money they're getting from that point at least.
Ah, nevermind. I read your post as MVP making a fundraiser and only getting 1500$ through it. My fault.
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On August 15 2013 02:06 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote:
sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said. And they could not have foreseen this before because...?
It does not seem like that was the case and they tried to find a solution(according to TakeTV). I am sure with 20/20 hindsight it is clear now, but who knows at the time. Mistakes happen and its looks like they took the time to fix them before comming out and saying they would be unable to attend.
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On August 15 2013 02:05 geokilla wrote:
Lol are they serious? That's pretty unfair to all the other teams in ATC. And to the sponsors of ATC as well as the viewers.
I understand they don't want to use their personal savings, but I feel that there should be a better way to handle this.
Which one ? Playing online ?
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On August 15 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:49 DJHelium wrote:A entry fee like SPL has is great for these kind of situations. Having one out of four qualified teams not attend really ruins the tournament. Hope Millenium gets Axiom's spot. Genna posted their reasons on reddit: After WCS NA, we felt that CranK needed to focus on recovering from his injury.
There is not much time left to prepare for DreamHack Bucharest and we want to be in top condition. (Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.)
We were not directly made aware that teams would only receive $1500 for the entire team to travel from Korea to Germany until flights were ridiculously overpriced. ($1500 per team is comped by ATC, not per person) Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kcp39/axiomesports_we_will_be_unable_to_compete_in_the/cbnl6wv That is completely stupid by ATC if they want teams form several regions to attend. There is no reason to fly your team out if you are only reimbursed $1,500. It just doesn’t make sense for a team attempting to make a profit. The costs of flights is murder on smaller teams and it’s the reason a lot of Dota 2 events are held online. If ATC isn’t willing to put up the full value for travel, they might as well be upfront and clear about it. I don't think this is something folks would just assume.
It's not stupid by ATC,and the part abouot not beind directly informed about the travel cost help only bein 1,5k is so dumb I can't believe she even wrote that. If even I knew long before the league started that they'd get $1.500 for traveling if they qualified, how could they not? ATC made it clear from the beginning and it's the team manager's job to get all the necessary information before they sign up for the leage.
Also here is the TakeTV news with Take's statement.
http://taketv.net/news/-12-08-13-7387
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On August 15 2013 02:06 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote:
sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said. And they could not have foreseen this before because...?
Things we could not have foreseen
1) WCS. Acer Teamstory Cup began before WCS even existed
2) CranKs injury getting to the point where he would have to do some serious recoup prior to Season 2 GSTL.
3) Having 4 players instead of 5 after Miya retired and being unable to hire another Zerg
4) Travelocity and Kayak fucking us out of several thousand dollars to the point where our travel budget was depleted way before it should have been.
5) The start date of GSTL Season 2.
If even I knew long before the league started that they'd get $1.500 for traveling if they qualified, how could they not? ATC made it clear from the beginning and it's the team manager's job to get all the necessary information before they sign up for the leage.
This is bollocks. Don't pretend to know more than you really do. You literally have no idea what's been going on behind the scenes, stop fucking pretending.
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