Axiom not able to participate in ATC Finals, Millenium to…

On August 15 2013 10:25 SCkad wrote:
can i clarify that as a British person "tossing out the begging bowl" should not be seen as "OMG they are literally hitler for asking for this" but rather as "it's a shame they've got to ask for this" maybe just a culture thing :/ but i didn't see the remark as particularly offensive

On August 15 2013 19:22 -Celestial- wrote:


Yeah I know what you mean here...the vitriol being thrown around over a simple turn of phrase seems rather over the top...

Cultural differences perhaps.

On August 15 2013 19:35 Lonyo wrote:

So the subsequent comments about MVP having more sponsors/money, or that he thought it would be unacceptable should be ignored?

Can you really say it should be seen as "it's a shame they've got to ask for this" when he then says "they have loads of sponsors/money and I thought begging would be unacceptable".
He clearly doesn't think they have need to ask for it, based on his detailed knowledge of the team MVP financial situation which he has yet to substantiate, and thinks that doing it should harm reputations.

On August 15 2013 20:07 -Celestial- wrote:



No they shouldn't be ignored but, as with the original comment, you and many others are misinterpreting the implications. The point he was making wasn't "MVP is rich" it was that MVP as an organisation has more money than Axiom.

Even without actually seeing their accounts its pretty damn obvious that this has to be the case. Axiom has been supporting five players (until Miya retired recently), largely out of TB's own income it would seem although the source is inconsequential. MVP on the other hand is supporting three times that many players for Starcraft 2 alone. They also involve themselves in League of Legends. To be able to do all of that then their income must be higher than Axiom's otherwise they'd have closed down by now, you can't run a team on a net loss for long.

And I'm pretty sure you're completely missing TB's point. Unless I'm overlooking something he's not saying that its "wrong" for them to ask for it. He's surprised that they have to and is trying to highlight that if even MVP has to ask for money for this then what chance does Axiom have of covering it themselves? And that he felt that asking for money wouldn't go down well in this notoriously fickle community. THAT is why he said "I thought begging would be unacceptable"...because of the reactions of people in the SC2 community.

And I have to say I agree with that assessment. Surely you remember the controversy over ROOT asking for money for a teamhouse? Lots of people throw a fit in this community for teams having the "audacity" to ask for money for something. It was a PR decision between the possible bad press resulting from asking for money and the possible bad press resulting from dropping out of the tournament. They made their decision not to ask, MVP made the opposite decision.