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I can almost hear the calls for blood by angry Millenium fans from here.
On August 15 2013 00:52 AyaaLa wrote:
Tbh this is really unprofessional of TB and his team. If they can't participate don't join. You dont see Barcelona cancelling their match in Champions League.
lol, someones trying hard to summon TB. Normally I wouldn't bother as I'm 75% sure you're a troll, but Axiom were recently screwed over by the booking agency which ended in them having to buy last minute plane tickets 30 minutes before the gates closed and costing them an additional $2000+ then what they'd originally planned. No doubt they tried everything they could to make this work, how about giving someone the benefit of the doubt before instantly assuming the worst about someone.
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On August 15 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:49 DJHelium wrote:A entry fee like SPL has is great for these kind of situations. Having one out of four qualified teams not attend really ruins the tournament. Hope Millenium gets Axiom's spot. Genna posted their reasons on reddit: After WCS NA, we felt that CranK needed to focus on recovering from his injury.
There is not much time left to prepare for DreamHack Bucharest and we want to be in top condition. (Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.)
We were not directly made aware that teams would only receive $1500 for the entire team to travel from Korea to Germany until flights were ridiculously overpriced. ($1500 per team is comped by ATC, not per person) Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kcp39/axiomesports_we_will_be_unable_to_compete_in_the/cbnl6wv That is completely stupid by ATC if they want teams form several regions to attend. There is no reason to fly your team out if you are only reimbursed $1,500. It just doesn’t make sense for a team attempting to make a profit. The costs of flights is murder on smaller teams and it’s the reason a lot of Dota 2 events are held online. If ATC isn’t willing to put up the full value for travel, they might as well be upfront and clear about it. I don't think this is something folks would just assume.
This is extremely unprofessional of Axiom; not ATCs problem.
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On August 15 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:
That is completely stupid by ATC if they want teams form several regions to attend. There is no reason to fly your team out if you are only reimbursed $1,500. It just doesn’t make sense for a team attempting to make a profit.
The costs of flights is murder on smaller teams and it’s the reason a lot of Dota 2 events are held online. If ATC isn’t willing to put up the full value for travel, they might as well be upfront about it.
They don't get any travel expenses paid for Dreamhack HSC etc. afaik (MLG is special). Also they get $1.5k + at least $2k for 4th place. Flights for 5 people cost $6k. source swoodoo
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Millenium is going since they'll be casting the games. I'm not sure it's been announced officially though.
It feels a bit wierd after Totalbiscuit posted his face everywhere in the thread where Axiom had qualified. But why has Take invited Axiom and had a Korean qualifier if it was so expensive to fly to Germany ? I hope the final provides great games and that the next Teamstory cup is more tightly organized (rules not changing mid season and only made for European teams or higher prize pool).
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Team MVP had this whole fundraiser thingie knowing that they would only be getting $1500. There is no way that TB/Genna didn't know about it as the fundraiser got announced, so there has been quite som time to do something (forfeit league or start their own fundraiser).
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On August 15 2013 00:57 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 00:49 DJHelium wrote:A entry fee like SPL has is great for these kind of situations. Having one out of four qualified teams not attend really ruins the tournament. Hope Millenium gets Axiom's spot. Genna posted their reasons on reddit: After WCS NA, we felt that CranK needed to focus on recovering from his injury.
There is not much time left to prepare for DreamHack Bucharest and we want to be in top condition. (Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.)
We were not directly made aware that teams would only receive $1500 for the entire team to travel from Korea to Germany until flights were ridiculously overpriced. ($1500 per team is comped by ATC, not per person) Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kcp39/axiomesports_we_will_be_unable_to_compete_in_the/cbnl6wv That is completely stupid by ATC if they want teams form several regions to attend. There is no reason to fly your team out if you are only reimbursed $1,500. It just doesn’t make sense for a team attempting to make a profit. The costs of flights is murder on smaller teams and it’s the reason a lot of Dota 2 events are held online. If ATC isn’t willing to put up the full value for travel, they might as well be upfront about it. Err, wasn't it common knowledge that they would only reimburse 1500$ in total...? I mean, a lot of random users on TL seem to know about it, so I don't think it is presumptuous to expect the manager of an attending team to know it as well.
That is the real question. I don’t know if it was unclear the amount that they would cover or if TB overlooked it. I know TB and the team got screwed on travel costs in the past week or so and that might be a factor as well. They might just have a super tight budget and were forced to cancel.
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I'm sure Genna has valid reasons for cancelling, but I can't help but feel really annoyed at Axiom. I understand they have a very busy schedule inbetween GSTL, WCS America, all the foreign leagues, ATC and SC2L, but it resulted in their games (as well as TL's often being delayed for weeks if not longer during the ATC. If you have too many tournaments to play in, it's okay to refuse an invite to one of them, but do so at the beginning of the event, not just before the offline playoffs. This way, not only do you disrupt the flow of the tournament (as the legitimate team to have that place in the playoffs), but you also create huge problems for TaKe and his crew who have been running this event for months, and create a lot of hassle to the team that will (hopefully) replace you.
I appreciate all that you do and what you invest in the livelihood of those four great players, but please, next time think ahead, and plan better.
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I much prefer seeing Millenium, but that is one shitty move, Axiom.
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since i like millenium more than axiom im ok with it 
shady move by axiom anyways
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Woah... someone redid the OP. and it looks like 5000% better. thanks mystery person!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Awww T_T too bad
PS. I want CSS powers
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On August 15 2013 01:01 DJHelium wrote:
Team MVP had this whole fundraiser thingie knowing that they would only be getting $1500. There is no way that TB/Genna didn't know about it as the fundraiser got announced, so there has been quite som time to do something (forfeit league or start their own fundraiser).
All right then, it must be other issues or their budget changed due to something we are not aware of. I am willing to give TB and his wife the benefit of the doubt that it is an honest mistake. Another team can fill in, so ATC should have a full event.
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Well, on the other hand, better Millenium than Axiom.
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On August 15 2013 01:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:57 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 00:49 DJHelium wrote:A entry fee like SPL has is great for these kind of situations. Having one out of four qualified teams not attend really ruins the tournament. Hope Millenium gets Axiom's spot. Genna posted their reasons on reddit: After WCS NA, we felt that CranK needed to focus on recovering from his injury.
There is not much time left to prepare for DreamHack Bucharest and we want to be in top condition. (Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.)
We were not directly made aware that teams would only receive $1500 for the entire team to travel from Korea to Germany until flights were ridiculously overpriced. ($1500 per team is comped by ATC, not per person) Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kcp39/axiomesports_we_will_be_unable_to_compete_in_the/cbnl6wv That is completely stupid by ATC if they want teams form several regions to attend. There is no reason to fly your team out if you are only reimbursed $1,500. It just doesn’t make sense for a team attempting to make a profit. The costs of flights is murder on smaller teams and it’s the reason a lot of Dota 2 events are held online. If ATC isn’t willing to put up the full value for travel, they might as well be upfront about it. Err, wasn't it common knowledge that they would only reimburse 1500$ in total...? I mean, a lot of random users on TL seem to know about it, so I don't think it is presumptuous to expect the manager of an attending team to know it as well. That is the real question. I don’t know if it was unclear the amount that they would cover or if TB overlooked it. I know TB and the team got screwed on travel costs in the past week or so and that might be a factor as well. They might just have a super tight budget and were forced to cancel.
While I am 100% sure that it (the 1500$ per team) was noted at the very beginning (if not in the first few announcements of the league), I don't think the team is run by TB...
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i expect tb to come anytime in this thread :D
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not attending because of other tournaments is just a dick move. cant understand such reasons. maybe there is more to it but the reason that they want to be in good shape for other tournaments is ridicoulous.
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On August 15 2013 01:06 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:02 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 00:57 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:On August 15 2013 00:49 DJHelium wrote:A entry fee like SPL has is great for these kind of situations. Having one out of four qualified teams not attend really ruins the tournament. Hope Millenium gets Axiom's spot. Genna posted their reasons on reddit: After WCS NA, we felt that CranK needed to focus on recovering from his injury.
There is not much time left to prepare for DreamHack Bucharest and we want to be in top condition. (Also in the event we make it to the SC2L offline portion, we wanted to be prepared for that as well.)
We were not directly made aware that teams would only receive $1500 for the entire team to travel from Korea to Germany until flights were ridiculously overpriced. ($1500 per team is comped by ATC, not per person) Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kcp39/axiomesports_we_will_be_unable_to_compete_in_the/cbnl6wv That is completely stupid by ATC if they want teams form several regions to attend. There is no reason to fly your team out if you are only reimbursed $1,500. It just doesn’t make sense for a team attempting to make a profit. The costs of flights is murder on smaller teams and it’s the reason a lot of Dota 2 events are held online. If ATC isn’t willing to put up the full value for travel, they might as well be upfront about it. Err, wasn't it common knowledge that they would only reimburse 1500$ in total...? I mean, a lot of random users on TL seem to know about it, so I don't think it is presumptuous to expect the manager of an attending team to know it as well. That is the real question. I don’t know if it was unclear the amount that they would cover or if TB overlooked it. I know TB and the team got screwed on travel costs in the past week or so and that might be a factor as well. They might just have a super tight budget and were forced to cancel. While I am 100% sure that it (the 1500$ per team) was noted at the very beginning (if not in the first few announcements of the league), I don't think the team is run by TB...
It is him and his wife. I feel safe is saying that they both work together on running the team. He talks about it on his podcast enough. And it sounds like something happened and they can’t afford to send them. That stuff happens sometimes and I am sure they would like to send the team, but can’t.
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On August 15 2013 01:05 lichter wrote:
Awww T_T too bad
PS. I want CSS powers
me too man me too
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United States33492 Posts
Can we summon TotalBiscuit already? I think we all know how to perform the spell.
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