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On August 15 2013 02:26 chuky500 wrote: A bit wierd to see Millenium get the 2nd seed after finishing 5th. I would have put them against MVP, not Acer. I'm pretty sure Milenium will get the 4th seed.
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On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:14 Yhamm wrote:On August 15 2013 02:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:06 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote: sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said. And they could not have foreseen this before because...? 5) The start date of GSTL Season 2. this topic is now about the next GSTL Can we make it about people that pretend to have inside knowledge of the scene and use it to criticise people that work in eSports? Because this thread is full of that. I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. If people didn't feel like they were part of the team they wouldn't purchase shirts follow religiously and all the other things you want to attract sponsers. So you love this and expect it when things go right. Then things go wrong (you pull out of a event 3 days notice) And you are just so mad that people don't understand. IF you didn't expect some negative backlash from this then you are just not that bright. You should have taken that into account when you were deciding on whether to go or not. So get over it, When you a run a team some are going to like you and others are going to hate you.Because they will like your competitors. It's actually a great things if tons of people hate you because they will watch to hopefully see you lose. Heck Floyd Mayweather figured this out and became a villan on purpose and now he's the highest earning Boxer, same with Chael Sonnen in MMA, The yankee's in baseball are eitehr loved or hated but always watched. And there is a ton more examples. Get some thicker skin, or at least be interesting with your responses. The Passive aggresive BS is just annoynig and whiney.
There's no reason for him to expect people to be critical of him when he didn't do anything wrong. And there's no reason to assume axiom did something wrong just because its only 3 days notice. You need to actually have a good reason for your criticism is read of just saying "hey you should expect it just because."
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On August 15 2013 02:30 {ToT}ColmA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:27 Doodsmack wrote:On August 15 2013 02:23 Kitai wrote:Yeah, it would be nice if announcements were accompanied by reasons. When the reasons are delayed, even by a little bit, that's when people speculate and assume the worst.  Edit: No, that isn't criticism, just wishful thinking. Do you think that speculation is justified? that is in the nature of people, if something isnt certain people will talk about it and speculate, thats not exclusive to esports, that most likely in all things out there. oh btw, classy tb stays classy with his second paragraph about mvp. and people are surprised there are people who dont like u ^_^
So negative speculation is justified because people like to be dramatic. That's a really well thought-out argument you got there bro.
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On August 15 2013 02:32 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:14 Yhamm wrote:On August 15 2013 02:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:06 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote: sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said. And they could not have foreseen this before because...? 5) The start date of GSTL Season 2. this topic is now about the next GSTL Can we make it about people that pretend to have inside knowledge of the scene and use it to criticise people that work in eSports? Because this thread is full of that. I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. If people didn't feel like they were part of the team they wouldn't purchase shirts follow religiously and all the other things you want to attract sponsers. So you love this and expect it when things go right. Then things go wrong (you pull out of a event 3 days notice) And you are just so mad that people don't understand. IF you didn't expect some negative backlash from this then you are just not that bright. You should have taken that into account when you were deciding on whether to go or not. So get over it, When you a run a team some are going to like you and others are going to hate you.Because they will like your competitors. It's actually a great things if tons of people hate you because they will watch to hopefully see you lose. Heck Floyd Mayweather figured this out and became a villan on purpose and now he's the highest earning Boxer, same with Chael Sonnen in MMA, The yankee's in baseball are eitehr loved or hated but always watched. And there is a ton more examples. Get some thicker skin, or at least be interesting with your responses. The Passive aggresive BS is just annoynig and whiney. There's no reason for him to expect people to be critical of him when he didn't do anything wrong. And there's no reason to assume axiom did something wrong just because its only 3 days notice. You need to actually have a good reason for your criticism is read of just saying "hey you should expect it just because." Exactly. Axiom has never given us reason to think they were anything less than honest and upfront about this stuff. If they said there was a good reason and they couldn't help it, there is good reason. I mean, their travel budget got fucked by third party vendors, thats not their fault.
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On August 15 2013 02:34 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:30 {ToT}ColmA wrote:On August 15 2013 02:27 Doodsmack wrote:On August 15 2013 02:23 Kitai wrote:Yeah, it would be nice if announcements were accompanied by reasons. When the reasons are delayed, even by a little bit, that's when people speculate and assume the worst.  Edit: No, that isn't criticism, just wishful thinking. Do you think that speculation is justified? that is in the nature of people, if something isnt certain people will talk about it and speculate, thats not exclusive to esports, that most likely in all things out there. oh btw, classy tb stays classy with his second paragraph about mvp. and people are surprised there are people who dont like u ^_^ So negative speculation is justified because people like to be dramatic. That's a really well thought-out argument you got there bro.
thats not an argument and was not only for this occasion but in general, u will always have speculation about stuff people are not certain about, positive and negative.
thanks for calling me bro, that makes me feel young again ^_^ (duh)
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On August 15 2013 00:27 Noocta wrote: I don't blame them. After their incident with Travelocity, they probably don't want to fly their players again so soon.
What'd the gnome do?
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On August 15 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:23 Kitai wrote:Yeah, it would be nice if announcements were accompanied by reasons. When the reasons are delayed, even by a little bit, that's when people speculate and assume the worst.  Edit: No, that isn't criticism, just wishful thinking. This all happened during my lunch break. I mean, how fast do you want this stuff when it comes off Twitter and no one really looks at team's webpages.
Eh, I wasn't calling anyone out. I was just making an observation. This sort of thing happens all the time. It's frustrating when people on both sides of the issue pretend to know what they're talking about and post their ideas as facts before any truthful explanations are given firsthand by the parties involved. Then everyone's misinformation gets spread because their made-up BS is convincing enough to sound like fact and people's reputations are smeared.
If an official explanation accompanies the announcement, none of this happens and nobody has to get upset or feel unjustly targeted =X
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On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans.
I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans.
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On August 15 2013 02:38 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:27 Noocta wrote: I don't blame them. After their incident with Travelocity, they probably don't want to fly their players again so soon. What'd the gnome do? Stole 6K and canceled their flights. But kept the 6K and said they could have it back later...maybe.
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On August 15 2013 02:42 JimmiC wrote:
If you read my post I said "things go wrong" not Genna did something wrong. You actually assumed I thought they did something wrong I never said that.
I said it wass wrong for him to expect everyone, including fans of his rivals, to not assume that tehy did something wrong.
When you are a part of a competitive team you would be silly and naive to think that everyone is going to love you and accept your explanations. Its not going to happen. And when making a decision that people can easily find fault in (esspecially people who root against you) you need to take that into account when making decisions. Its not as simple as, it cost us 6000k and we ony get 1.5k and we might only win 2k. so we could lose money. You have to take into account the public relations. And it's clear that TB should not be in charge of those.
I guess you could always take the extremely professional and responsible action of doing exactly what you are mad at other people are doing and making assumptions based onn another teams actions without any inside knowledge fo there situationa nd finances. and then throw them under the bus, in a passive aggressive manner hoping to take heat off yourself.
You know what's awesome? Watching community members try and explain away any and all responsibility they have to be reasonable and not outright attack teams and scene contributors while simultaneously having the gall to claim that those people should be "professional" and have good "public relations".
Guess what, the community doesn't get to eschew all blame just because it's not financial invested in the scene. If you post bullshit, expect people that know what they're talking about to call you on it.
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I agree, unless you have more information about MVP's situation which you are willing to divulge, the comments about them and their fundraiser is uncalled for, and frankly quite rude.
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On August 15 2013 02:34 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:30 {ToT}ColmA wrote:On August 15 2013 02:27 Doodsmack wrote:On August 15 2013 02:23 Kitai wrote:Yeah, it would be nice if announcements were accompanied by reasons. When the reasons are delayed, even by a little bit, that's when people speculate and assume the worst.  Edit: No, that isn't criticism, just wishful thinking. Do you think that speculation is justified? that is in the nature of people, if something isnt certain people will talk about it and speculate, thats not exclusive to esports, that most likely in all things out there. oh btw, classy tb stays classy with his second paragraph about mvp. and people are surprised there are people who dont like u ^_^ So negative speculation is justified because people like to be dramatic. That's a really well thought-out argument you got there bro.
Isn't that what you do when hunting for "hackers"?
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Luckily for Take they found a replacement. Guess this is a good reason to have deposits in team leagues (like proleague), to prevent teams bailing out at the last second. Imagine if they would've only had 3 teams at the finals, that would've sucked. In my opinion this is very unprofessional of Axiom, if you start in a teamleague you've got to finish it.
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On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked.
I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills.
No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills.
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This JimmiC kid getting destroyed by tb.
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I like Axiom to bad it's not going to participate. Though the rules of this ATC still baffle me with the "buy back" players that lost there series etc.
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