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On August 15 2013 02:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:
This JimmiC kid getting destroyed by tb.
Its fun to watch. I like his excuses of “OMG TB your such a passive aggressive(TB is mostly aggressive) drama queen. You should EXPECT me to jump on the hate train when you make an announcement I don’t like. This is the internet and hating on people is what we do. I man, seriously, why would you disrespect your fans(the fans are watching TB rip him apart and feel totally respected) by posting this crap. Your so fake famous.”
Its pretty funny, though I bet the guy doesn’t even know its funny.
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makes sense, no reason to spend more money if their team has injuries, on top of having to pay out the ass for travel expenses
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It would have been nice to have Axiom compete on LAN. I wonder is M is really taking 2nd seed, is there any more info on this?
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On August 15 2013 02:52 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked. I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills. No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills. Again to quote my self, since you seem to have trouble reading "help pay your bills" Are you argueing that people who watch your team do not help you at all financially? If so my bad. Also, I never claimed I paid your bills. I support team Liquid and cheer against everyone else. I never claimed they pay for everything. You love to jump to conclusions and get all preachy. Starting a team and funding it is a great thing, good job on you. I love esports and want more teams (for liquid to stomp). This doesn't mean everyone is going to love you all the time. People are going to write negative things, get over it. And further more if you want to help esports don't throw other teams jut trying to make it, like you, under the bus. It's really too bad you come off like such a dink whenever you post because many of your actions have been so positive.
The only reason I'm coming off as a dick to you is because I'm calling you out for posting bullshit on a forum about our team. It's all fun and games until someone comes along and tells you that you're wrong isn't it?
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On August 15 2013 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked. I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills. No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills. Again to quote my self, since you seem to have trouble reading "help pay your bills" Are you argueing that people who watch your team do not help you at all financially? If so my bad. Also, I never claimed I paid your bills. I support team Liquid and cheer against everyone else. I never claimed they pay for everything. You love to jump to conclusions and get all preachy. Starting a team and funding it is a great thing, good job on you. I love esports and want more teams (for liquid to stomp). This doesn't mean everyone is going to love you all the time. People are going to write negative things, get over it. And further more if you want to help esports don't throw other teams jut trying to make it, like you, under the bus. It's really too bad you come off like such a dink whenever you post because many of your actions have been so positive. The only reason I'm coming off as a dick to you is because I'm calling you out for posting bullshit on a forum about our team. It's all fun and games until someone comes along and tells you that you're wrong isn't it?
Checkmate.
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yes i WILL blame them ... i was so happy and now this shit ... they could ask before how much they get lol, if they cant get replaced the finals are rly worse now ... i hate axiom for that sry but thats just destroying a league
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On August 15 2013 02:52 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked. I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills. No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills. Again to quote my self, since you seem to have trouble reading "help pay your bills" Are you argueing that people who watch your team do not help you at all financially? If so my bad. Also, I never claimed I paid your bills. I support team Liquid and cheer against everyone else. I never claimed they pay for everything. You love to jump to conclusions and get all preachy. Starting a team and funding it is a great thing, good job on you. I love esports and want more teams (for liquid to stomp). This doesn't mean everyone is going to love you all the time. People are going to write negative things, get over it. And further more if you want to help esports don't throw other teams jut trying to make it, like you, under the bus. It's really too bad you come off like such a dink whenever you post because many of your actions have been so positive.
So if you don’t support them and you are not a fan, why does he care what you have to say about this? Also, why would they be wrong in dropping out if their team in injured, down a man and unable to play? I mean, that’s a pretty good reason to drop out, unless you just want to injure your team more and like losing money.
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On August 15 2013 02:56 Drake wrote:
yes i WILL blame them ... i was so happy and now this shit ... they could ask before how much they get lol, if they cant get replaced the finals are rly worse now ... i hate axiom for that sry but thats just destroying a league
err thats alot of crap you are posting, read the opener and better the reddit thread because the OP lacks some info
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Ok after reading Take's and TB's view i will change my opinion on this subject..
Axiom did everything they could, they got fucked up by unfortunate circustances and tried to solve it the right way...
BUT.. you didn't communicate it very well.. your first words didn't explain the situation properly and people (like me jumped to conclusions), if take accepts it and in view of all the circustances.. it couldn't be helped!
GL ATC and Axiom.. and get better Crank!
PS: get some more players 
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On August 15 2013 02:56 Drake wrote:
yes i WILL blame them ... i was so happy and now this shit ... they could ask before how much they get lol, if they cant get replaced the finals are rly worse now ... i hate axiom for that sry but thats just destroying a league
I can't tell if your serious or not....well done?
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On August 15 2013 02:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:19 mikkmagro wrote:On August 15 2013 02:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:14 Yhamm wrote:On August 15 2013 02:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:06 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote:
sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said. And they could not have foreseen this before because...? 5) The start date of GSTL Season 2. this topic is now about the next GSTL Can we make it about people that pretend to have inside knowledge of the scene and use it to criticise people that work in eSports? Because this thread is full of that. You can't expect people not to be disappointed, and most of the time, people start 'pretending to have inside knowledge', because they have to resort to speculation because the PR is poor. Same reason why the lack of SC2 at MLG Colombus blew up. You can be disappointed all you please but there's a difference between that and flat out attacking the organisation for perceived incompetence, dishonesty or whatever. Frankly if we'd known it was acceptable to toss out the begging bowl like MVP, who evidently needed to do it despite having way more sponsors than we do, then maybe we'd have done that, but that wouldn't have solved the fact that 1/4 of our lineup is physically unfit to compete.
Come on son thats a cheap shot and you know it. They also have a shit ton more players than you do as well.
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On August 15 2013 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked. I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills. No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills. Again to quote my self, since you seem to have trouble reading "help pay your bills" Are you argueing that people who watch your team do not help you at all financially? If so my bad. Also, I never claimed I paid your bills. I support team Liquid and cheer against everyone else. I never claimed they pay for everything. You love to jump to conclusions and get all preachy. Starting a team and funding it is a great thing, good job on you. I love esports and want more teams (for liquid to stomp). This doesn't mean everyone is going to love you all the time. People are going to write negative things, get over it. And further more if you want to help esports don't throw other teams jut trying to make it, like you, under the bus. It's really too bad you come off like such a dink whenever you post because many of your actions have been so positive. The only reason I'm coming off as a dick to you is because I'm calling you out for posting bullshit on a forum about our team. It's all fun and games until someone comes along and tells you that you're wrong isn't it?
is it normal that i read all of your posts with your voice? i try to read it normally, but i just can't
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On August 15 2013 02:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:19 mikkmagro wrote:On August 15 2013 02:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:14 Yhamm wrote:On August 15 2013 02:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:06 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 15 2013 01:46 FFGenerations wrote:
sounds like 1) they make a loss of several $1000 by attending , and 2) that their player/s don't particularly feel comfortable with going/feel shitty . which is what the post said. And they could not have foreseen this before because...? 5) The start date of GSTL Season 2. this topic is now about the next GSTL Can we make it about people that pretend to have inside knowledge of the scene and use it to criticise people that work in eSports? Because this thread is full of that. You can't expect people not to be disappointed, and most of the time, people start 'pretending to have inside knowledge', because they have to resort to speculation because the PR is poor. Same reason why the lack of SC2 at MLG Colombus blew up. You can be disappointed all you please but there's a difference between that and flat out attacking the organisation for perceived incompetence, dishonesty or whatever. Frankly if we'd known it was acceptable to toss out the begging bowl like MVP, who evidently needed to do it despite having way more sponsors than we do, then maybe we'd have done that, but that wouldn't have solved the fact that 1/4 of our lineup is physically unfit to compete.
Wow you just lost all my respect, firing shots at MVP like that. However I will still support the players.
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Top 4 play in Krefeld !
So Millenium gets from 5th to 4th.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Acer_TeamStory_Cup
I guess the whole thing (ATC) was handled pretty bad by a lot of people.
1. Karont3 disq. They wanted to go on with Alternate.Socke, but were not allowed to do, also Vortix & Lucifron got in for Mouse ASAP, thats like swapping shirts in half-time superbowl.
2. It´s a worldwide Tournament, US/EU/KR. 1st prize is 11.500$ , 4th gets 3,500 (2000+1500)
Pretty much of what I expect of 5 Tickets Korea - Germany and back + Hotel and Transport.
So they could say, if we win, we will go out even and have a good time, if not we lose 6,5K for the lulz.
The work of Genna and TB is great. I love their effort to make a team.
There might be miscommunication between ATC and Axiom, but I am pretty sure it could have been solved by a single E-Mail asking 5x1500 or 1x1500 for travel to finals. Also considering the AxiomAcer GSTL run.
Sad thing to say, SC2 is not generating enough interest to make ATC happen properly atm. (Bigger Pricepool, more money from sponsors more money for travel.) qq
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On August 15 2013 03:04 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked. I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills. No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills. Again to quote my self, since you seem to have trouble reading "help pay your bills" Are you argueing that people who watch your team do not help you at all financially? If so my bad. Also, I never claimed I paid your bills. I support team Liquid and cheer against everyone else. I never claimed they pay for everything. You love to jump to conclusions and get all preachy. Starting a team and funding it is a great thing, good job on you. I love esports and want more teams (for liquid to stomp). This doesn't mean everyone is going to love you all the time. People are going to write negative things, get over it. And further more if you want to help esports don't throw other teams jut trying to make it, like you, under the bus. It's really too bad you come off like such a dink whenever you post because many of your actions have been so positive. The only reason I'm coming off as a dick to you is because I'm calling you out for posting bullshit on a forum about our team. It's all fun and games until someone comes along and tells you that you're wrong isn't it? Your comming off as a dick cause your insulting people and throwing other teams under the bus. Filter my comments I never insulted your team, I said you were crazy to react so hurt to the expected response.
I(and a couple other people in the thread) just think he is coming off as really funny and only really being a dick to you. And the way you are posting, you are kinda asking for it a bit
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Alright, I'm gonna wrap this up with my opinion on how ridiculous the hate Axiom is getting is.
My view on this is frankly pragmatic. Take and ATC are not suffering in any way. Millenium was confirmed as our replacement some time ago in private, which has been announced today. The roster has not suffered and the tournament will happen as normal, just like any other tournament that has a cancellation and has to find substitutes. Millenium are popular and will no doubt bring in the French crowd that otherwise might not have watched the event, balancing out the lost numbers from Axiom players not participating. The net cost to Take and ATC is zero, who are still paying out the same regardless, they are just paying it out to a different team. The tournament will go ahead as planned with a roster change, there is no disruption to the event.
On Axioms side, we have provided the following. 14 weeks of competition at unholy hours of the night for our players with no prize money. Our players have essentially worked hard for something they will no longer receive. Our sponsors will not receive exposure in the finals as we had hoped, so they are losing out. The team in general suffers, the tournament does not. ATC also received many hours of free casting from myself and the sponsors benefited from that significantly, with views 3-5x higher on average than the other English streams and an additional 20-30,000 views per series from VoDs hosted on the TotalBiscuit Starcraft Youtube channel, giving exceptional sponsor ROI Acer and Intel that would otherwise not have existed. Teams also received sponsor ROI due to use of the virtual jersey in all matches, software we developed specifically to help everyone.
So, after all that, my opinion of this is that the backlash on Axiom is unwarranted and makes little logical sense, when Axiom are the ones who put a lot into this tournament and are suffering due to a combination of unforeseen and unfortunate circumstances. If anything I would have hoped for support from the community in a difficult time for the team, but for the most part it seems that will not be happening. As always, we will endure that and push on regardless.
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On August 15 2013 03:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Alright, I'm gonna wrap this up with my opinion on how ridiculous the hate Axiom is getting is.
My view on this is frankly pragmatic. Take and ATC are not suffering in any way. Millenium was confirmed as our replacement some time ago in private, which has been announced today. The roster has not suffered and the tournament will happen as normal, just like any other tournament that has a cancellation and has to find substitutes. Millenium are popular and will no doubt bring in the French crowd that otherwise might not have watched the event, balancing out the lost numbers from Axiom players not participating. The net cost to Take and ATC is zero, who are still paying out the same regardless, they are just paying it out to a different team. The tournament will go ahead as planned with a roster change, there is no disruption to the event.
On Axioms side, we have provided the following. 14 weeks of competition at unholy hours of the night for our players with no prize money. Our players have essentially worked hard for something they will no longer receive. Our sponsors will not receive exposure in the finals as we had hoped, so they are losing out. The team in general suffers, the tournament does not. ATC also received many hours of free casting from myself and the sponsors benefited from that significantly, with views 3-5x higher on average than the other English streams and an additional 20-30,000 views per series from VoDs hosted on the TotalBiscuit Starcraft Youtube channel, giving exceptional sponsor ROI Acer and Intel that would otherwise not have existed. Teams also received sponsor ROI due to use of the virtual jersey in all matches, software we developed specifically to help everyone.
So, after all that, my opinion of this is that the backlash on Axiom is unwarranted and makes little logical sense, when Axiom are the ones who put a lot into this tournament and are suffering due to a combination of unforeseen and unfortunate circumstances. If anything I would have hoped for support from the community in a difficult time for the team, but for the most part it seems that will not be happening. As always, we will endure that and push on regardless.
I like Axiom a lot more after reading this thread.
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On August 15 2013 03:01 partydude89 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 15 2013 02:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 JimmiC wrote:
I find it funny how even quazi internet celeberities get so mad at there fans. I like how random forum posters pretend that people shitting on Axiom are somehow our fans. I like how you can take one line from an entire post and try to twist it in your favor. Maybe you are new to entertainment, but whether people cheer for your team or cheer against it there eyeballs help you pay your bills. From most of your posts, however, I feel like you are more interested in having your ego stroked. I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when I pay more for the team every month than all our sponsors put together. Oh man, you have the audacity to claim somehow that you guys are the ones paying the bills. No see, I'm looking at my bank account right now and it's pretty clear who is paying the bills. Again to quote my self, since you seem to have trouble reading "help pay your bills" Are you argueing that people who watch your team do not help you at all financially? If so my bad. Also, I never claimed I paid your bills. I support team Liquid and cheer against everyone else. I never claimed they pay for everything. You love to jump to conclusions and get all preachy. Starting a team and funding it is a great thing, good job on you. I love esports and want more teams (for liquid to stomp). This doesn't mean everyone is going to love you all the time. People are going to write negative things, get over it. And further more if you want to help esports don't throw other teams jut trying to make it, like you, under the bus. It's really too bad you come off like such a dink whenever you post because many of your actions have been so positive. The only reason I'm coming off as a dick to you is because I'm calling you out for posting bullshit on a forum about our team. It's all fun and games until someone comes along and tells you that you're wrong isn't it? is it normal that i read all of your posts with your voice? i try to read it normally, but i just can't
I do the same thing. I hear TB's voice when I read his comments, haha.
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