Axiom not able to participate in ATC Finals, Millenium to…

On August 15 2013 03:42 BlueFlames wrote:


How much would it cost to hire someone to do the pr for all the stuff you do, and how much time would you gain by that? Just curious.

On August 15 2013 04:50 opisska wrote:


So you think that the popularity of a team is given by the level of political correctness used when talking about matters related to it? Nonsense. The fun and emotion created by TB's personal attachement far outshines anything what a faceless "PR professional" whose only point in life is not to offend anyone could ever create. Having a person who incites strong feelings and opinions in people is the best PR humanly possible - unless your target demograpics is 50 years old Brittish ladies of noble ancestry.

In SC2, I feel much stronger about players than teams. Axiom is a very rare exception (together with Liquid, EG and to lesser extend LG-IM and Prime - but that's also mainly based on players), almost wholy thanks to TB - OK, I also like how the whole Acer-Axiom is actually just Slayers Reborn and all the history behind the team, but still.

On August 15 2013 05:05 BlueFlames wrote:


That was not my point. I was just curious about the cost, because i would be willing to spent money on something, so that i could concentrate on doing things i enjoy, and i personally would not enjoy arguing with people people over the internet.
And as a side note, a pr-agent does not have to be someone steril and faceless. But they free up a lot of your time and you dont get shit at you thrown directly. You can concentrate on doing your job and earning money, while someone else, who has not the same attachment to that work, can deal with the public opinion. Those people will be far less likely to get emotional when critized and so on.
Not my money and not my decisions, i was just curious how much it would cost.

On August 15 2013 05:08 opisska wrote:


Maybe I also have to clarify my point - I think that it would cost a lot in terms of the popularity of the team. It is very difficult to imagine that there is someone to hire who would do better PR than one of the best known personalities of the scene.

On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
First i was shocked, the headlines should include that millenium is already replacing axiom.

On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
First i was shocked, the headlines should include that millenium is already replacing axiom.

so thats a big relief. I dont particulary like Axiom and TB anyhow and Millenium is a more interesting team by far. Mvp already represents the korean teams. So overall im pretty happy with the outcome.

I just dont like the way it happened. Or even that it happened at all. because it clearly didnt have to happen. The reasons i hear seem very weak to me.

It is quite nice of ATC to provide for accomodation and 1500$ for travels. Because the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels. How someone gets to the understanding that they pay everything.. its totally unexplainable to me. It was very clearly communicated.

So you tell me you enter in a competition without reading the rules properly and without sufficient players to compete if one happens to be unavailable. At least use the "joker" rule to get an additional player. That just doesnt sound like the management is very qualified.

Also complaining about travel costs... thats the business. Especially if you dont focus on a region but try to be everywhere at once.

Summed up: Bad PR and bad management for axiom.

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:


You're a fan boy because clearly neither you or TB read my posts. I never isulted Axiom. I did insult him once he made the completly unwarrented shot at MVP. Which you are clearly ignoring because of your fanboyness. I wasn't the only one to notice it. 5-10 other posters put up comments. The fact that TB decided to unload on me is his choice and I find it funny since he was mad at people making assumptions, and he made a whole load of assumptions about me. I simply posted that he shouldn't be shocked that people were pissed he pulled out of a tournement 3 days before it started. Heck if liquid did I would be sad that I didn't get to see them play and I'ma huge fan of theres. The guy is totally arrogant, a narcissist and hypocritical, complete blind spot towards himself. If he had any sense he would have posted what he did at the end instead of after acting like a jackass and he would have came off well. (I'm refering to his last long post)

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:
He's one of those guys that creates issues then is all "woah is me, how come this always happens to me?" When has nazgul had a internet shit storm? Or insulted people on a forum? He doesn't because he is a professional and understands it's a business. I'm sure he thinks a ton of people are idiots, but he instead writes well thought out posts in a professional manner that show his postition on the issue. He states the why, wiht nothing passive agressive, or "But Johnny did it too only worse".

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:
I also understand why you think TB destroyed me. Because you love him and just beleive what he says to be true, and thats fine. Unlike him I expected that because it was obviously going to happen. He is a internet celeberity and I am an internet nobody. If someone else with a name wrote exactly what I did, I suspoect your opinion would change. But seriously go back, read all my posts. (It's easy hit filter. If you can't, pay TL some money and gain the feature) I don't bash them, I say its crazy that TB is all shocked and offended by what was a completly predictible reaction, esspecially given the information that was released. If he knew another team was taking over for his spot he should have said that from the start. If he didn't know then the fact that millenium is stepping up doesn't make him better. It means great for Millenium stepping up, and I'm glad the ATC hopefully wasn't hurt. Hoepfully this brought more attention and more people will watch. More is better. You may have not noticed this but people are sensitive about the game "dying" or losing exposure, a team pulling out of the final is OF COURSE going to play to these sensitivities.

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:
To cancle participation in something, esspecially short notice, is going to garner a negative reaction from lots of people. Even if there is a sensible reason for this choice. And lets face facts it was a choice of Axiom and no fault of ATC. Was the choice sensible under the circumstances that happend? Many factors were out of there control. Perrhaps, thats up to perception of the expectations of teams. My expectation is that if you start something you finish it. There is risk on ATC's part when they opperate these tournements, they have costs that can increase, or change, teams can go out of business. If there main server died or whatever and cost them 6000 and they said "hey sorry guys our host is sick and our server went down, so doing this finals would cause us to lose money. Therefore we are going to not hold the finals" How do you think TB would react? How about the community? Because lets face it, even though it's sensible to you, that doesn't mean everyone agree's. And it's ok that they don't. I personlly feel teams and players have the same responsibility to follow through that tournments do. If you disagree thats fine.

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:
As the face of a francise, it would be smart, to give a postitive image of himself. He probably doesn't care but because of him I won't support his team, watch the games, buy his sponsers products and so on. Before I would have, now I will make a concerted effort not to.

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:
In his zeal to look cool infrount of his fan boys he turned a neutral party into some one who will go out of his way to not help him. And I was probably more then neutral since I think of my self as a general supporter of e-sports.

On August 15 2013 04:48 JimmiC wrote:
I will however continue to support other teams and esports in general. I wish all the teams were run professionally and appropriotly by people who care more about there teams and business's then there own ego's. Congrats on Nazgul for being awesome.

On August 15 2013 05:28 XinSC wrote:


Pls read TB's summaries.
You are just proving his point of people posting stuff and accusations they don't really know anything about...

They could not have known about Miya's retirement or Cranks injury, and they are certainly not accountable for travelocity screwing up so badly...

On August 15 2013 05:37 SpikeStarcraft wrote:


nobody cares who you could blame for the situation. Blaming the circumstances.. good management finds solutions rather than complaining about everything all the time.
Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.

On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.