• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:18
CET 06:18
KST 14:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview2herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational10SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)17Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview StarCraft 2 will not be in the Esports World Cup herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
Which foreign pros are considered the best? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion BW AKA finder tool Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Navigating the Risks and Rew…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1425 users

Axiom not able to participate in ATC Finals, Millenium to…

Forum Index > SC2 General
305 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 16 Next All
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 20:50 GMT
#201
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 20:53 GMT
#202
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


Not that I feel like I need to defend my opinion...

But I had no opinion of TB before this. (I didn't like Axiom, but only because of what had gone down with Slayers) I had read snippets that he was critical on a number of things related to running a team/organization, but other than that I knew he was a caster and his logo is a tophat (why?) I'm "supporting" him because I agree with what he said, not because I think he's going to friend me on facebook.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 20:56:21
August 14 2013 20:54 GMT
#203
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Show nested quote +
Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
August 14 2013 20:58 GMT
#204
On August 15 2013 05:54 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.

Teamleague, the keyword is TEAMleague.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 20:59 GMT
#205
On August 15 2013 05:54 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.

Can you not read the words Team League? Or did you miss that part?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 14 2013 21:00 GMT
#206
will ForGG get a visa? >:O
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
August 14 2013 21:01 GMT
#207
On August 15 2013 05:58 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:54 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.

Teamleague, the keyword is TEAMleague.


offline finals of sc2l is at dh bucharest. I think Axiom payed those flights. And i dont think GSTL covers intercontinental travel costs. So which teamleague does in fact pay? IPTL? yeah.. they must be the standard..
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 14 2013 21:09 GMT
#208
I haven't read all of this so I might be off base but I'm going to assume Axiom knew what amount of subsidies they'd receive from ATC and should have known before the LAN finals if they were able to go, should have known well before the event even begun.

Assuming Axiom knew the deal ahead of time they shouldn't have participated. I said the same thing about EG dota team not going to starladder finals. If you aren't going to pay-up to send your team to the LAN finals based on the agreements outlined by the event organizers, DONT PLAY IN THE EVENT.

If ATC didn't inform Axiom or Axiom were misinformed then that sucks and you can retract everything I said.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 21:10 GMT
#209
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


P.S. he's madder now that I posted about how he messaged me (and messaged me again).
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
August 14 2013 21:11 GMT
#210
On August 15 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 02:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:
This JimmiC kid getting destroyed by tb.

Its fun to watch. I like his excuses of “OMG TB your such a passive aggressive(TB is mostly aggressive) drama queen. You should EXPECT me to jump on the hate train when you make an announcement I don’t like. This is the internet and hating on people is what we do. I man, seriously, why would you disrespect your fans(the fans are watching TB rip him apart and feel totally respected) by posting this crap. Your so fake famous.”

Its pretty funny, though I bet the guy doesn’t even know its funny.

These posts are the worst I've read so far and that says a lot. How old are you, 12?
Don't get me wrong; I'm not agreeing with JimmiC but what exactly is the purpose of these 2 posts?

I Protoss winner, could it be?
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 14 2013 21:15 GMT
#211
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

What team leagues have done this?

On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.

If you're going to look down at what Team MVP did at least compare them to a street performer with a donation cup instead of a beggar.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 14 2013 21:16 GMT
#212
--- Nuked ---
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 14 2013 21:17 GMT
#213
--- Nuked ---
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
August 14 2013 21:18 GMT
#214
One word describes this thread beautifully: popcorn
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 21:19 GMT
#215
On August 15 2013 06:17 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 06:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


P.S. he's madder now that I posted about how he messaged me (and messaged me again).


P.s. Not madder, Most people would just not like to read a flame war on the threads and would rather it be taken privately. You would rather try to impress your inet friends


I'm not friends with any of these people though...
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 21:19 GMT
#216
On August 15 2013 06:18 Seeker wrote:
One word describes this thread beautifully: popcorn


On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 21:26:50
August 14 2013 21:20 GMT
#217
On August 15 2013 06:11 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On August 15 2013 02:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:
This JimmiC kid getting destroyed by tb.

Its fun to watch. I like his excuses of “OMG TB your such a passive aggressive(TB is mostly aggressive) drama queen. You should EXPECT me to jump on the hate train when you make an announcement I don’t like. This is the internet and hating on people is what we do. I man, seriously, why would you disrespect your fans(the fans are watching TB rip him apart and feel totally respected) by posting this crap. Your so fake famous.”

Its pretty funny, though I bet the guy doesn’t even know its funny.

These posts are the worst I've read so far and that says a lot. How old are you, 12?
Don't get me wrong; I'm not agreeing with JimmiC but what exactly is the purpose of these 2 posts?


I am 33 and enjoy watching people who have no idea what they are talking about get upset about things they don't understand and then getting yelled at for it.

Its the simple things in life. I also like going for walks and watching puppies fight over chew toys.

Also:
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 21:22 GMT
#218
On August 15 2013 06:17 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 06:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


P.S. he's madder now that I posted about how he messaged me (and messaged me again).


P.s. Not madder, Most people would just not like to read a flame war on the threads and would rather it be taken privately. You would rather try to impress your inet friends

Stop sending messages to people that disagree with you. None of us are friends. We just all enjoy you making an ass of yourself.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 14 2013 21:24 GMT
#219
On August 15 2013 06:00 Gamegene wrote:
will ForGG get a visa? >:O

YES ! He's back in France tomorrow, finally. And free to stay for a year ! :D
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
August 14 2013 21:27 GMT
#220
On August 15 2013 06:18 Seeker wrote:
One word describes this thread beautifully: popcorn


Want a bite ?
[image loading]



I don't like the MVP solution. I don't like the Axiom solution. I live with it by being happy for Millenium and sad for Axiom. That's it. Live with it instead of arguing. At least it was dealt with swiftly, with TaKe being aware and looking for a backup. Could have been worse.
NoiR
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft405
RuFF_SC2 202
Nina 85
StarCraft: Brood War
Shinee 76
Pusan 73
Shuttle 49
Bale 43
Noble 24
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever206
NeuroSwarm118
League of Legends
JimRising 662
C9.Mang0416
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv490
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1219
Other Games
summit1g7006
XaKoH 132
ViBE44
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1081
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH637
• practicex 30
• Kozan
• Laughngamez YouTube
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 75
• Diggity4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21517
League of Legends
• Rush1092
• Lourlo1071
• Stunt273
Other Games
• Shiphtur267
Upcoming Events
RongYI Cup
5h 42m
ByuN vs TriGGeR
herO vs Rogue
OSC
5h 42m
herO vs Clem
Cure vs TBD
Solar vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
RongYI Cup
1d 5h
Clem vs ShoWTimE
Zoun vs Bunny
Big Brain Bouts
1d 11h
Serral vs TBD
RongYI Cup
2 days
SHIN vs Creator
Classic vs Percival
OSC
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
RongYI Cup
3 days
Maru vs Cyan
Solar vs Krystianer
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
OSC
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-20
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Rongyi Cup S3
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.