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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 20:50 GMT
#201
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 20:53 GMT
#202
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


Not that I feel like I need to defend my opinion...

But I had no opinion of TB before this. (I didn't like Axiom, but only because of what had gone down with Slayers) I had read snippets that he was critical on a number of things related to running a team/organization, but other than that I knew he was a caster and his logo is a tophat (why?) I'm "supporting" him because I agree with what he said, not because I think he's going to friend me on facebook.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 20:56:21
August 14 2013 20:54 GMT
#203
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Show nested quote +
Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
August 14 2013 20:58 GMT
#204
On August 15 2013 05:54 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.

Teamleague, the keyword is TEAMleague.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 20:59 GMT
#205
On August 15 2013 05:54 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.

Can you not read the words Team League? Or did you miss that part?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 14 2013 21:00 GMT
#206
will ForGG get a visa? >:O
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
August 14 2013 21:01 GMT
#207
On August 15 2013 05:58 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:54 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.



1. so dreamhack or eg cover your travel expenses to bucharest?

2.MVP is not begging, they are offering entertainment in return.

Teamleague, the keyword is TEAMleague.


offline finals of sc2l is at dh bucharest. I think Axiom payed those flights. And i dont think GSTL covers intercontinental travel costs. So which teamleague does in fact pay? IPTL? yeah.. they must be the standard..
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 14 2013 21:09 GMT
#208
I haven't read all of this so I might be off base but I'm going to assume Axiom knew what amount of subsidies they'd receive from ATC and should have known before the LAN finals if they were able to go, should have known well before the event even begun.

Assuming Axiom knew the deal ahead of time they shouldn't have participated. I said the same thing about EG dota team not going to starladder finals. If you aren't going to pay-up to send your team to the LAN finals based on the agreements outlined by the event organizers, DONT PLAY IN THE EVENT.

If ATC didn't inform Axiom or Axiom were misinformed then that sucks and you can retract everything I said.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 21:10 GMT
#209
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


P.S. he's madder now that I posted about how he messaged me (and messaged me again).
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
August 14 2013 21:11 GMT
#210
On August 15 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 02:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:
This JimmiC kid getting destroyed by tb.

Its fun to watch. I like his excuses of “OMG TB your such a passive aggressive(TB is mostly aggressive) drama queen. You should EXPECT me to jump on the hate train when you make an announcement I don’t like. This is the internet and hating on people is what we do. I man, seriously, why would you disrespect your fans(the fans are watching TB rip him apart and feel totally respected) by posting this crap. Your so fake famous.”

Its pretty funny, though I bet the guy doesn’t even know its funny.

These posts are the worst I've read so far and that says a lot. How old are you, 12?
Don't get me wrong; I'm not agreeing with JimmiC but what exactly is the purpose of these 2 posts?

I Protoss winner, could it be?
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 14 2013 21:15 GMT
#211
On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels.


Actually this is bullshit. The standard for any offline portion of a teamleague is travel expenses covered, because good luck convincing a team to pay that much to attend.

What team leagues have done this?

On August 15 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it.


They put out the begging bowl. We foolishly assumed the community would not react well to asking them for money and would instead be understanding of the massive financial cost flying an entire team halfway across the planet would cost and the fact that since the start of ATC, circumstances have radically changed within both the team and the scene.

We were horribly mistaken.

If you're going to look down at what Team MVP did at least compare them to a street performer with a donation cup instead of a beggar.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 14 2013 21:16 GMT
#212
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 14 2013 21:17 GMT
#213
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
August 14 2013 21:18 GMT
#214
One word describes this thread beautifully: popcorn
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 21:19 GMT
#215
On August 15 2013 06:17 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 06:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


P.S. he's madder now that I posted about how he messaged me (and messaged me again).


P.s. Not madder, Most people would just not like to read a flame war on the threads and would rather it be taken privately. You would rather try to impress your inet friends


I'm not friends with any of these people though...
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 14 2013 21:19 GMT
#216
On August 15 2013 06:18 Seeker wrote:
One word describes this thread beautifully: popcorn


On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 21:26:50
August 14 2013 21:20 GMT
#217
On August 15 2013 06:11 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On August 15 2013 02:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:
This JimmiC kid getting destroyed by tb.

Its fun to watch. I like his excuses of “OMG TB your such a passive aggressive(TB is mostly aggressive) drama queen. You should EXPECT me to jump on the hate train when you make an announcement I don’t like. This is the internet and hating on people is what we do. I man, seriously, why would you disrespect your fans(the fans are watching TB rip him apart and feel totally respected) by posting this crap. Your so fake famous.”

Its pretty funny, though I bet the guy doesn’t even know its funny.

These posts are the worst I've read so far and that says a lot. How old are you, 12?
Don't get me wrong; I'm not agreeing with JimmiC but what exactly is the purpose of these 2 posts?


I am 33 and enjoy watching people who have no idea what they are talking about get upset about things they don't understand and then getting yelled at for it.

Its the simple things in life. I also like going for walks and watching puppies fight over chew toys.

Also:
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 21:22 GMT
#218
On August 15 2013 06:17 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 06:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:47 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I don't care if TB is going to be my friend or not, why did you message me? Are you trying to make me feel bad?

He doesn’t like it that people disagree with him on the internet while also supporting a guy who has provided us with hours of entertainment at no cost to ourselves. He thinks you’re a fanboy because of that.


P.S. he's madder now that I posted about how he messaged me (and messaged me again).


P.s. Not madder, Most people would just not like to read a flame war on the threads and would rather it be taken privately. You would rather try to impress your inet friends

Stop sending messages to people that disagree with you. None of us are friends. We just all enjoy you making an ass of yourself.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 14 2013 21:24 GMT
#219
On August 15 2013 06:00 Gamegene wrote:
will ForGG get a visa? >:O

YES ! He's back in France tomorrow, finally. And free to stay for a year ! :D
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
August 14 2013 21:27 GMT
#220
On August 15 2013 06:18 Seeker wrote:
One word describes this thread beautifully: popcorn


Want a bite ?
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I don't like the MVP solution. I don't like the Axiom solution. I live with it by being happy for Millenium and sad for Axiom. That's it. Live with it instead of arguing. At least it was dealt with swiftly, with TaKe being aware and looking for a backup. Could have been worse.
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