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Khalum
Austria831 Posts
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alphaproxy
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Serpico
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On August 15 2013 07:31 Penev wrote: Enjoying the show while eating popcorn was what I was doing. You 2 are actively ostracizing someone who has an argument with someone else by participating in the internet version of talking about him behind his back just loud enough so that he can hear it. That's not quite the same and frankly, it's pretty pathetic. I also didn't really see him being "destroyed" by TB btw. Anyway; Sucks that Axiom can't attend the conclusion of the ATC. And he's 33, ya know. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On August 15 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote: Lovely attempt to twist my words there to claim I insulted MVP. That's exactly what MVP did, begged for money. They asked the community to fund their trip, despite the fact that they have more sponsor funding than Axiom does and don't salary all of their players. We assumed that a team of our standing would be torn to bits by the community for asking for money, but apparently it's ok for MVP to do so. I'm sorry if you feel that the term "begging" is insulting, maybe I should have used "fundraising" so as not to offend your fragile sensibilities. I tend to find that people that can't even spell hypocrisy shouldn't be accusing people of it. You seriously think "please pay for our trip to ATC" and "There's an optional $4.99 subscription on the Twitch channel which gives various benefits in return" is somehow the same thing. Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are olympic standard. I really hope you keep posting. You're the gift that keeps on giving, admittedly I do feel a little bad beating on someone who lost 8 pages ago but refuses to call GG. Alright you've just proven you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Stick a fork in him folks, this guys done. Well, using the term "begging" in conjunction with the tone of what you are saying actually DOES make it sound like an insult, with a bit of resentment toward MVP. Also what exactly do you mean by a "team of our standing"? I don't think anyone thinks that the team is in anyway too good to do any "begging". | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 15 2013 07:44 Erraa93 wrote: Quote of the year. Who's got the popcorn. Pass me some i admit this made me laugh: Stick a fork in him folks, this guys done. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On August 15 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote: Lovely attempt to twist my words there to claim I insulted MVP. That's exactly what MVP did, begged for money. They asked the community to fund their trip, despite the fact that they have more sponsor funding than Axiom does and don't salary all of their players. We assumed that a team of our standing would be torn to bits by the community for asking for money, but apparently it's ok for MVP to do so. I'm sorry if you feel that the term "begging" is insulting, maybe I should have used "fundraising" so as not to offend your fragile sensibilities. I tend to find that people that can't even spell hypocrisy shouldn't be accusing people of it. You seriously think "please pay for our trip to ATC" and "There's an optional $4.99 subscription on the Twitch channel which gives various benefits in return" is somehow the same thing. Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are olympic standard. I really hope you keep posting. You're the gift that keeps on giving, admittedly I do feel a little bad beating on someone who lost 8 pages ago but refuses to call GG. Alright you've just proven you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Stick a fork in him folks, this guys done. Do you have details of MVP's sponsor funding? Is that for the whole organisation, or just the SC2 part? Are there stipulations regarding what the sponsor money can be spent on, e.g. domestic activities only, or can they spend Hot6ix LoL money for Korean promotion on SC2 flights to a Europe based team league? They also have more players than Axiom, by a large margin. 12 SC2 players (3x as many as Axiom) plus 13 LoL players and coaches and managers. So you would hope they have more sponsor money to support all that, even if not everyone is salaried. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
p.s. fuck you tb for acting like a motherfucking piece of shit towards mvp. User was warned for this post | ||
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Cokefreak
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alphaproxy
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On August 15 2013 08:01 BlueFlames wrote: Vaas: Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. p.s. fuck you tb for acting like a motherfucking piece of shit towards mvp. User was warned for this post Biggest edit Ive ever seen! Don't get upset bro, Like TB says about twitter, dont get the internet/people/esports teams/etc too seriously  | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On August 15 2013 08:08 alphaproxy wrote: Biggest edit Ive ever seen! Don't get upset bro, Like TB says about twitter, dont get the internet/people/esports teams/etc too seriously I was writing and hit post, without beeing halfway finished. As i pressed back a few times, i had read more posts from tb and had even less motivation to post. In the end all a focused on was tb beeing a dick. but thats nothing new to the community i guess :-p | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
If you want to be useful, report every TB post where he acts like a douche and wait for the misclick ! | ||
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Erraa93
Australia891 Posts
On August 15 2013 08:16 Otolia wrote: You are fighting the wrong battle. Totalbiscuit acts like a prick because most of his clientele are investing on popcorn. And he enjoys a certain amount of leeway. If you want to be useful, report every TB post where he acts like a douche and wait for the misclick ! Man I'm investing on popcorn for both sides to reply. Sometimes people make drama too funny. | ||
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alphaproxy
68 Posts
On August 15 2013 08:13 JimmiC wrote: If the reason you think you are beating me is because people are agreeing with you, you are silly. They are agreeing because they are part of your fan base, or at the very least recognize you as some member of the elite in esports. I did not twist your words this is what you said I should have maybe called it a "passive aggressive not so subtle jab at a another organization" instead of insult but some times I don't take the time to write out what I've written out 10x already. Am I the only one to take it in this way and think it was a dick move? Please read the spoilers below. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 02:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + You can be disappointed all you please but there's a difference between that and flat out attacking the organisation for perceived incompetence, dishonesty or whatever. Frankly if we'd known it was acceptable to toss out the begging bowl like MVP, who evidently needed to do it despite having way more sponsors than we do, then maybe we'd have done that, but that wouldn't have solved the fact that 1/4 of our lineup is physically unfit to compete. Ok, you may want to have your wife screen these before posting for your own safty. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 02:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + You can be disappointed all you please but there's a difference between that and flat out attacking the organisation for perceived incompetence, dishonesty or whatever. Frankly if we'd known it was acceptable to toss out the begging bowl like MVP, who evidently needed to do it despite having way more sponsors than we do, then maybe we'd have done that, but that wouldn't have solved the fact that 1/4 of our lineup is physically unfit to compete. Come on son thats a cheap shot and you know it. They also have a shit ton more players than you do as well. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 02:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + You can be disappointed all you please but there's a difference between that and flat out attacking the organisation for perceived incompetence, dishonesty or whatever. Frankly if we'd known it was acceptable to toss out the begging bowl like MVP, who evidently needed to do it despite having way more sponsors than we do, then maybe we'd have done that, but that wouldn't have solved the fact that 1/4 of our lineup is physically unfit to compete. Wow you just lost all my respect, firing shots at MVP like that. However I will still support the players. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 03:02 geokilla wrote: Show nested quote + Wow you just lost all my respect, firing shots at MVP like that. However I will still support the players. I won't really commit to saying that the team will be 100% Korean but I would like the team to serve both TB and my hopes of bettering the state of eSports in Korea. At present many Korean SC2 players do not actually receive a salary or receive a small salary that does not really support a stable career. - Axiom Team manager/"owner" Frankly if we'd known it was acceptable to toss out the begging bowl like MVP, who evidently needed to do it despite having way more sponsors than we do, then maybe we'd have done that, but that wouldn't have solved the fact that 1/4 of our lineup is physically unfit to compete. - Axiom PR guy this was due to their international travel sponsor dropping support recently - Team MVP But then I'm also sure that TB knows exactly how much MVP get from their sponsors, and what the money is/can be used for as well. I'm sure he wouldn't be making any assumptions about MVP, doing the sort of thing he hates others doing. Mo sponsors, mo money! Let's ignore the fact that MVP is also more than just SC2, and the sponsors seem to sponsor all the MVP teams, such as the LoL teams. I'm sure all the MVP players get mega salaries and the state of Korean SC2 is much better than it was about a year ago when Axiom was created, and teams are closing down and holding fundraisers for kicks. + Show Spoiler + irst i was shocked, the headlines should include that millenium is already replacing axiom. so thats a big relief. I dont particulary like Axiom and TB anyhow and Millenium is a more interesting team by far. Mvp already represents the korean teams. So overall im pretty happy with the outcome. I just dont like the way it happened. Or even that it happened at all. because it clearly didnt have to happen. The reasons i hear seem very weak to me. It is quite nice of ATC to provide for accomodation and 1500$ for travels. Because the standard in esports is 0 money from event organizers for travels. How someone gets to the understanding that they pay everything.. its totally unexplainable to me. It was very clearly communicated. So you tell me you enter in a competition without reading the rules properly and without sufficient players to compete if one happens to be unavailable. At least use the "joker" rule to get an additional player. That just doesnt sound like the management is very qualified. Also complaining about travel costs... thats the business. Especially if you dont focus on a region but try to be everywhere at once. Summed up: Bad PR and bad management for axiom. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 05:28 XinSC wrote: Show nested quote + Pls read TB's summaries. You are just proving his point of people posting stuff and accusations they don't really know anything about... They could not have known about Miya's retirement or Cranks injury, and they are certainly not accountable for travelocity screwing up so badly... nobody cares who you could blame for the situation. Blaming the circumstances.. good management finds solutions rather than complaining about everything all the time. Look at MVP. They dont pull out. If you are in a difficult situation, you do more to overcome it not less to evade it. So clearly I'm the only person to take it this way. And thats not including all the people that felt this way and didn't post. Yeah I'm a idiot. Having a optional subscript is with "various benefits" Is not at all like asking for a donation for the benefit of getting to watch them play. It's totally not semantics or slightly different business model. Its not giving the choice to the fans whether they want to contribute extra or not. COMPLETELY Different had MVP offered a subscription that gave them various benefits including making it to the tournament for only 4.99$ that would have been ok. Not that I think its bad to do. If people can monetize there participation in events. Or whatever it is that you provide go for it. Its just extremely hypocritical to talk down the others doing the same thing. But as a self righteous narcissist I see how this could miss you completely. Also I agree esports is completely unlike any business other business in the world. This whole respecting your customer base thing idea I spout will never work. Here, I'll end with a cliche` about how much I'm beating him, how dumb he is and then maybe people will actually read the logic and not the name of the poster. He's out colder then an ice cube This guy just knocked it out of the park This guy is dumb as a stump. Silly you, the MVP begging/fundraising wasn't optional. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On August 15 2013 08:16 Otolia wrote: You are fighting the wrong battle. Totalbiscuit acts like a prick because most of his clientele are investing on popcorn. And he enjoys a certain amount of leeway. If you want to be useful, report every TB post where he acts like a douche and wait for the misclick ! but thats the point. why does it come to this? is it because team axiom is hate by the whole community? or is it because of something else? teams, organizers, hosts and casters get away with a lot of stuff, because they know how to engage in discussion or know how to end it. some people dont know how to do it and get shit on, everytime their name is mentioned. I dont think thats a coinscident. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
lastly...pretty sad how some people here get off when others get talked down, i thought tl.net is better than that (at least it was in the past long time ago TT) | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 15 2013 08:24 {ToT}ColmA wrote: ^_^ this has gone downhill pretty fast. a small statement with the straight facts would ve been enough from tb, the slight (cuz the wording doesnt give much room for interpretation) against mvp was dumb. btw didnt some player (i think it was mkp) got into an event cuz he was shipped in with money from outsiders cuz else he couldnt attend? so its not like these things never happend before? (if i am not completely wrong on this one) so i dont see that as a bad move (for any team) i mean, if there are fans of teams who are willing to pay to see them at an event, why not do it, cuz flying people in and out is freaking expensive. lastly...pretty sad how some people here get off when others get talked down, i thought tl.net is better than that (at least it was in the past long time ago TT) reddit sent MKP to a MLG i believe. | ||
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