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WCS America - Challenger League Qualifier Results - Page 3

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KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
May 06 2013 06:51 GMT
#41
On May 06 2013 14:34 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:
On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:
Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways )


After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it...

I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal.

Feels like it's a pendulum.

Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between.


With all the Chinese players qualifying kinda make the lag issue moot.

I actually spoke to an esports-based writer from China just a couple of days ago and he said that it was completely ok to play China > US, but not China > EU.
Get crunk
eurTsItniH
Profile Joined January 2012
887 Posts
May 06 2013 07:40 GMT
#42
Great to see so many chinese players!
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
May 06 2013 07:41 GMT
#43
its a shame they wouldn't even let xigua compete in the challenger Cool to see demuslim in there, i see him as one of the "challengers" of the challenger league.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 07:42:27
May 06 2013 07:42 GMT
#44
On May 06 2013 16:41 skatblast wrote:
its a shame they wouldn't even let xigua compete in the challenger Cool to see demuslim in there, i see him as one of the "challengers" of the challenger league.

Did he not compete in EU?
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 07:56:23
May 06 2013 07:55 GMT
#45
On May 06 2013 15:51 KvltMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 14:34 ragz_gt wrote:
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:
On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:
Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways )


After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it...

I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal.

Feels like it's a pendulum.

Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between.


With all the Chinese players qualifying kinda make the lag issue moot.

I actually spoke to an esports-based writer from China just a couple of days ago and he said that it was completely ok to play China > US, but not China > EU.

AKA me.
On May 06 2013 16:41 skatblast wrote:
its a shame they wouldn't even let xigua compete in the challenger Cool to see demuslim in there, i see him as one of the "challengers" of the challenger league.

I believe XiGua is switching to AM next season, if the region switching isn't only for GSL Koreans.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Ponera
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada596 Posts
May 06 2013 08:24 GMT
#46
Glad to see some tough koreans get ousted, but I am sad that the REGIONAL qualifiers aren't REGIONAL. I guess people qq'd enough about that, so whatever. GO GO North Americans!
You won't feel very "Plus" in TL+
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
May 06 2013 08:38 GMT
#47
Yes puck!!
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 06 2013 08:41 GMT
#48
Demuslim went through, splendid!
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
May 06 2013 09:00 GMT
#49
On May 06 2013 16:55 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 15:51 KvltMan wrote:
On May 06 2013 14:34 ragz_gt wrote:
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:
On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:
Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways )


After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it...

I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal.

Feels like it's a pendulum.

Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between.


With all the Chinese players qualifying kinda make the lag issue moot.

I actually spoke to an esports-based writer from China just a couple of days ago and he said that it was completely ok to play China > US, but not China > EU.

AKA me.

We out here! I'll buy you hotpot if we cross paths in China again.
Get crunk
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
May 06 2013 09:00 GMT
#50
On May 06 2013 12:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
The WCS America Challenger League qualifiers concluded with sixteen players earning spots in the Season 1 Challenger League. These players will have a chance to earn spots in next season's Premier League.

Qualified Players:
cn (P)iG.jim
us (P)c.Bails
us (P)ROOT.Puck
cn (P)iG.MacSed
kr (P)Quantic.HwangSin
cn TOP
kr (P)ROOT.Sage
kr (T)Liquid`TaeJa
us (T)Xenocider
uk (T)EG.DeMusliM.RC
us (T)FXONeeb
cn (T)iG.Xy
ca (T)FXODrunkenboi
kr (Z)EG.Jaedong.RC
nz (Z)MYi.Tilea
tw YoeIM.Ian

Also, many notable players failed to qualify through the qualifiers, such as former Code S runner-up (Z)Quantic.HyuN (eliminated by Puck and Sage), Proleague regulars (P)EG.JYP.RC and (Z)Liquid`Zenio, and number of popular players such as (Z)ROOT.CatZ, (P)EG.iNcontroL.RC, (P)NonY and (T)coL.qxc. Check Liquipedia for the full list of eliminated players and brackets.




your iG.(P)Jim 's profile is wrong, here is the correct one.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 06 2013 09:03 GMT
#51
On May 06 2013 15:12 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 14:36 Waxangel wrote:
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:
On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:
Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways )


After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it...

I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal.

Feels like it's a pendulum.

Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between.


Yeah, fans are definitely willing to handwave lag complaints away if it means a popular foreigner is defeating a Korean. In all fairness, they'll also bring up lag complaints again if a less known foreigner beats a popular Korean .

Overall, though, KR-NA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal for the Koreans. They destroyed plenty of online leagues and qualifiers in the past, and this NA-Challenger qualifier really seems like an outlier to me.



You bring up a great point about popular Korean and I feel like that relates to how these days lag isn't talked about as often. I suspect it has to do with the fact that mid-tier Koreans are playing more often than JUST high-level/well-known ones. 2 years ago, only top level Koreans would be playing, I mean... MC, Losira, MMA at MLG Columbus is like... the present-day equivalent of SoS, Leenock, and Flash being the only ones to go to a foreign tournament.

If Flash played cross-server in EU instead of Finale... that is going to be one messy LR. I mean... if we had a repeat of TSL3 only with Innovation and Life losing (in place of MVP and Nestea), the shit will go crazy.

THEN AGAIN, to play Devil's advocate against myself. Macro has become increasingly important and maps have grown exponentially bigger which kind of downplays some of the effects of lag. Also no more 4 gate PvP where every shot counts nor Taldarim style ZvZ (as much). And actual experience with dealing with lag as argued by Jinro probably has a factor as Koreans played more on NA.

And another counterpoint to my devil's advocate is the fact that ROOT specifically stated one of the reasons they moved to California was for better ping to the KR server; moving for better ping says a lot in of itself about pros opinions of lag.

Haha, Anyways, I have no real argument. Just that, it's a clusterfuck mess that people go too much of one direction typically. xD


Two days ago MC was knocked out of the EU Challenger qualifiers (ironically) by a player called noname. During that qualifier MC was playing from Germany and I believe he had been for a couple of days (if it’s not ping-lag it’s jet-lag -_-). If he had been in Korea could you imagine what the hysteria the fanboys would whip up over lag issues?

It seems like such a shame that when the foreigners can bring an upset there’s a worryingly high number of people who’s sole job seems to be reminding everyone that they’re worthless and they only won due to unfair advantages.
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 09:44:55
May 06 2013 09:27 GMT
#52
On May 06 2013 12:16 Wunder wrote:
Jimcredibleeeee! Happy so many Chinese players managed to get in.

Yeah we will finally get to see them ^^

ps : congratulation to all players and good luck :p
http://twitch.tv/maggrig | @SC2ELVIS | http://www.facebook.com/sc2ELVIS
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
May 06 2013 10:53 GMT
#53
Only 4 Americans...
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 06 2013 10:56 GMT
#54
On May 06 2013 19:53 Larkin wrote:
Only 4 Americans...

4 US + 1 Canadian, makes 5. Is that not 5 more than expected? I think this was a big success for AM players.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 06 2013 10:58 GMT
#55
Well, 5 NA players qualified. Went better than expected.
I wish them all good luck. I'll still catch some games with foreigners in WCS NA, however I'll keep watching WCS EU for foreigner tournament and WCS KR for the toughest competition.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 10:59:36
May 06 2013 10:58 GMT
#56
On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:
On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:
On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:
On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there.

Female?

puCK is a female.

Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all


Tilea is the female being referred to here...


Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results.

Wish there were more Americans, though.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
May 06 2013 12:05 GMT
#57
On May 06 2013 18:03 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 15:12 wklbishop wrote:
On May 06 2013 14:36 Waxangel wrote:
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:
On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:
Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways )


After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it...

I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal.

Feels like it's a pendulum.

Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between.


Yeah, fans are definitely willing to handwave lag complaints away if it means a popular foreigner is defeating a Korean. In all fairness, they'll also bring up lag complaints again if a less known foreigner beats a popular Korean .

Overall, though, KR-NA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal for the Koreans. They destroyed plenty of online leagues and qualifiers in the past, and this NA-Challenger qualifier really seems like an outlier to me.



You bring up a great point about popular Korean and I feel like that relates to how these days lag isn't talked about as often. I suspect it has to do with the fact that mid-tier Koreans are playing more often than JUST high-level/well-known ones. 2 years ago, only top level Koreans would be playing, I mean... MC, Losira, MMA at MLG Columbus is like... the present-day equivalent of SoS, Leenock, and Flash being the only ones to go to a foreign tournament.

If Flash played cross-server in EU instead of Finale... that is going to be one messy LR. I mean... if we had a repeat of TSL3 only with Innovation and Life losing (in place of MVP and Nestea), the shit will go crazy.

THEN AGAIN, to play Devil's advocate against myself. Macro has become increasingly important and maps have grown exponentially bigger which kind of downplays some of the effects of lag. Also no more 4 gate PvP where every shot counts nor Taldarim style ZvZ (as much). And actual experience with dealing with lag as argued by Jinro probably has a factor as Koreans played more on NA.

And another counterpoint to my devil's advocate is the fact that ROOT specifically stated one of the reasons they moved to California was for better ping to the KR server; moving for better ping says a lot in of itself about pros opinions of lag.

Haha, Anyways, I have no real argument. Just that, it's a clusterfuck mess that people go too much of one direction typically. xD


Two days ago MC was knocked out of the EU Challenger qualifiers (ironically) by a player called noname. During that qualifier MC was playing from Germany and I believe he had been for a couple of days (if it’s not ping-lag it’s jet-lag -_-). If he had been in Korea could you imagine what the hysteria the fanboys would whip up over lag issues?

It seems like such a shame that when the foreigners can bring an upset there’s a worryingly high number of people who’s sole job seems to be reminding everyone that they’re worthless and they only won due to unfair advantages.


You sound very angry

You should relax, maybe take a few days off the forum. When people start using language like worthless to describe anything, I assume it's time to take a break from the forums and just enjoy the games.
Gameplay > Personality
ajxPurpleRain
Profile Joined July 2012
United States87 Posts
May 06 2013 12:22 GMT
#58
Are the vods or replays for this available somewhere? There were some fairly sicks matchups that I wouldn't mind seeing.
Only want to see you /dancing in the PurpleRain.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 06 2013 13:34 GMT
#59
That's cool that such a fresh bunch of players got in
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Liamyan
Profile Joined April 2013
United States12 Posts
May 06 2013 14:16 GMT
#60
Sorry for comm, we all know he could do better if he didn't met jim in challenger qualifiers.
Also glad to see all the IGers got qualified. Wish Jim will surprise all his funs
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