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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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PsionicLord
United States119 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Sevredol
New Zealand30 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On May 06 2013 13:43 MrMotionPicture wrote: I am excited to see more of these Chinese players and others that you don't hear much about. 7-10 GM players on the Korean server at any given time come from China. | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
On May 06 2013 13:40 Sevredol wrote: Damn, glad to see a New Zealand player in there! I get horrible lag on both the NA and SEA servers, makes micro difficult. Awesome that someone has overcome this problem. Tilea lives in the States. Still a fantastic accomplishment. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote: Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways )After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it... I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal. Feels like it's a pendulum. Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote: After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it... I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal. Feels like it's a pendulum. Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between. With all the Chinese players qualifying kinda make the lag issue moot. | ||
Waxangel
United States33714 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote: After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it... I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal. Feels like it's a pendulum. Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between. Yeah, fans are definitely willing to handwave lag complaints away if it means a popular foreigner is defeating a Korean. In all fairness, they'll also bring up lag complaints again if a less known foreigner beats a popular Korean  .Overall, though, KR-NA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal for the Koreans. They destroyed plenty of online leagues and qualifiers in the past, and this NA-Challenger qualifier really seems like an outlier to me. | ||
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FlamingKitty
United States74 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:36 Waxangel wrote: Yeah, fans are definitely willing to handwave lag complaints away if it means a popular foreigner is defeating a Korean. In all fairness, they'll also bring up lag complaints again if a less known foreigner beats a popular Korean .Overall, though, KR-NA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal for the Koreans. They destroyed plenty of online leagues and qualifiers in the past, and this NA-Challenger qualifier really seems like an outlier to me. You bring up a great point about popular Korean and I feel like that relates to how these days lag isn't talked about as often. I suspect it has to do with the fact that mid-tier Koreans are playing more often than JUST high-level/well-known ones. 2 years ago, only top level Koreans would be playing, I mean... MC, Losira, MMA at MLG Columbus is like... the present-day equivalent of SoS, Leenock, and Flash being the only ones to go to a foreign tournament. If Flash played cross-server in EU instead of Finale... that is going to be one messy LR. I mean... if we had a repeat of TSL3 only with Innovation and Life losing (in place of MVP and Nestea), the shit will go crazy. THEN AGAIN, to play Devil's advocate against myself. Macro has become increasingly important and maps have grown exponentially bigger which kind of downplays some of the effects of lag. Also no more 4 gate PvP where every shot counts nor Taldarim style ZvZ (as much). And actual experience with dealing with lag as argued by Jinro probably has a factor as Koreans played more on NA. And another counterpoint to my devil's advocate is the fact that ROOT specifically stated one of the reasons they moved to California was for better ping to the KR server; moving for better ping says a lot in of itself about pros opinions of lag. Haha, Anyways, I have no real argument. Just that, it's a clusterfuck mess that people go too much of one direction typically. xD | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote: Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Congrats Til! Edit: nvm I figured it out | ||
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JohnHarr
United States375 Posts
puCK is a female. | ||
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SCWind
United States33 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote: After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it... I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal. Feels like it's a pendulum. Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between. Been watching byun stream consistently on the NA server and it hasn't seemed to affect him at all. But he may just have been getting lucky and playing west coast players, I don't know. What's worth asking is if a korean plays someone located near the east coast, does the game choose an east coast or west coast server? Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all | ||
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[Erasmus]
Australia286 Posts
On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote: Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... | ||
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SCWind
United States33 Posts
On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote: Tilea is the female being referred to here... I was responding to a post saying that puck is a female, so I'm not sure why you quoted me. | ||
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