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On May 07 2013 06:51 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 06:46 JustPassingBy wrote:On May 07 2013 05:50 SCST wrote:On May 07 2013 05:43 Waxangel wrote:
you're fucking insane if you think having to compete in Korea in person is not a huuuuuuuuuuuge barrier against chinese participation
fuck, if MLG said you had to play WCS America live in NYC from the qualifiers on up, all USA players west of Pennsylvania would be screaming bloody murder, not to mention everyone else in the fucking hemisphere. I agree it's a big barrier. However, is it truly unreasonable to have a CN team-house in South Korea? Or for CN players to live in team-houses in South Korea? People are stating that it is "impossible" or "so difficult to be nearly impossible" for CN players to play in any WCS other than America. This is obviously not true. Again, if I were a CN player I also would choose to better/more lucrative opportunity. No one is blaming the Chinese. Wait... now you agree that it is a big barrier? I'm pretty sure you said that it is "not difficult" initially... let's see... ah yes, here (the bolded part was made by you btw, not me): On May 07 2013 03:41 SCST wrote:
Obviously facts are just not getting through here. There are estimated to be 1 million Chinese immigrants in South Korea. It is not difficult for Chinese players to travel and or live in Seoul to play SC2 in GSL. They choose not to do this because they don't feel confident that they will be able to win prize money with the intense competition. They are choosing to play in the America WCS because the chances of winning prize money (due to a region-lock loophole allowing partial online play) is much higher.
No, the Chinese players were not "locked out" of KR Code S as is being suggested above, they simply didn't bother to compete in GSL (or if they did, they failed to qualify for Code S). Incredible to see how many people are saying/implying that the Chinese players were "forced" to play in WCS America.
Somehow I doubt these same people are going to protest or make excuses for Canadians or South Americans who will be required to travel for offline play when/if WCS follows through with their original intentions to create a true region-lock by requiring everything to be offline. Semantics, look at the context of the post and stop trying to knit-pick to score points here. I agreed with Waxangel's point because it was polite and civilized to do so, and followed it immediately with: "However, is it truly unreasonable to have a CN team-house in South Korea? Or for CN players to live in team-houses in South Korea?" P.S. I still don't think it is that difficult for CN players to join a team-house in Korea. It wouldn't seem to be so much more difficult than other foreigners and even Koreans who move from outside of their locality to participate in the GSL. Sure it's a commitment, but it's no less than what other pro's have and will go through to compete. Also, the dirty little secret of this entire discussion is that we all know that even if participating in the GSL were made completely free to the Chinese, they would still compete in the WCS America. Lol.
I don't know, but claiming that it is a big barrier and agreeing with Waxangel and at the same time claiming it being not difficult is - by semantics - contradictory, in my point of view. Though I could also be wrong, English is not my first lanauge...
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qxc is punching his keyboard right now
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According to my understanding, for a person in China to obtain the visa of another country and stay at another country for any prolong period of time, could become a challenge. If you are not doing that for business, but for video game, it's something even more difficult to convince. Hence, to build a team house in KR, it's not really feasible.
When Sen was at KR for GSL, he would only fly there and fly straight back, preferably in one day. He said the training environment given to the foreign player was dirty and there were already some strangers there.
Unless you have some kind of exchange program like Major, it's pretty useless.
Ian from Taiwan is such a sleeper. I guess if you are being punished by Sen..., repeatedly, over the year(s), you'll get better at it.
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China6331 Posts
Visas are not the biggest issue anymore, at least for Korea and US.
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I can't stop reading Bails and Balls....
Btw, SO MUCH CHINA up in here.
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Good to see China having such a strong showing, I really like the Chinese eSports scene!
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Waxangel turned into TeamLiquid ESPORTS?
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On May 08 2013 02:39 Dracid wrote:
Waxangel turned into TeamLiquid ESPORTS?
Its a long term process. 47 surgeries and 2 years of physical therapy.
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Lol that guy is really a world traveller talking a lot about trip from Beijing to Seoul. But I can tell you that IG isn't in Beijing as they were before( cuz there were some reports about IG's dota team house in Beijing), and IG had already moved into Shanghai where they got a rather great house that contains IG Dota 2 as well as SC2 teams.
Besides, I wanna tell him that it's Incheon airport, which is not located in Seoul, and you should take even quite a few time taking shuttle from Incheon to Seoul. It's just like the relationship between Narita airport and Tokyo city. I really LMAO when I saw it, you better go for an oversea travel dude.
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On May 08 2013 00:38 twndomn wrote:
According to my understanding, for a person in China to obtain the visa of another country and stay at another country for any prolong period of time, could become a challenge. If you are not doing that for business, but for video game, it's something even more difficult to convince. Hence, to build a team house in KR, it's not really feasible.
When Sen was at KR for GSL, he would only fly there and fly straight back, preferably in one day. He said the training environment given to the foreign player was dirty and there were already some strangers there.
Unless you have some kind of exchange program like Major, it's pretty useless.
Ian from Taiwan is such a sleeper. I guess if you are being punished by Sen..., repeatedly, over the year(s), you'll get better at it.
Can you clarify what this is referring to? The old GOM foreigner house? A team house Sen stayed in?
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On May 06 2013 13:03 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 12:47 Csong wrote:
wow did all the chinese players make it in?! Loner knocked out by XY, Comm DQ'ed
Loner still plays? I thought he stopped way back after the GSL open qualifiers since I haven't heard much from him. Nice to see JD and some other notables qualify 
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