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On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though.
Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level.
Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative.
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On May 06 2013 21:05 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 18:03 Greendotz wrote:On May 06 2013 15:12 wklbishop wrote:On May 06 2013 14:36 Waxangel wrote:On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways  ) After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it... I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal. Feels like it's a pendulum. Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between. Yeah, fans are definitely willing to handwave lag complaints away if it means a popular foreigner is defeating a Korean. In all fairness, they'll also bring up lag complaints again if a less known foreigner beats a popular Korean  . Overall, though, KR-NA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal for the Koreans. They destroyed plenty of online leagues and qualifiers in the past, and this NA-Challenger qualifier really seems like an outlier to me. You bring up a great point about popular Korean and I feel like that relates to how these days lag isn't talked about as often. I suspect it has to do with the fact that mid-tier Koreans are playing more often than JUST high-level/well-known ones. 2 years ago, only top level Koreans would be playing, I mean... MC, Losira, MMA at MLG Columbus is like... the present-day equivalent of SoS, Leenock, and Flash being the only ones to go to a foreign tournament. If Flash played cross-server in EU instead of Finale... that is going to be one messy LR. I mean... if we had a repeat of TSL3 only with Innovation and Life losing (in place of MVP and Nestea), the shit will go crazy. THEN AGAIN, to play Devil's advocate against myself. Macro has become increasingly important and maps have grown exponentially bigger which kind of downplays some of the effects of lag. Also no more 4 gate PvP where every shot counts nor Taldarim style ZvZ (as much). And actual experience with dealing with lag as argued by Jinro probably has a factor as Koreans played more on NA. And another counterpoint to my devil's advocate is the fact that ROOT specifically stated one of the reasons they moved to California was for better ping to the KR server; moving for better ping says a lot in of itself about pros opinions of lag. Haha, Anyways, I have no real argument. Just that, it's a clusterfuck mess that people go too much of one direction typically. xD Two days ago MC was knocked out of the EU Challenger qualifiers (ironically) by a player called noname. During that qualifier MC was playing from Germany and I believe he had been for a couple of days (if it’s not ping-lag it’s jet-lag -_-). If he had been in Korea could you imagine what the hysteria the fanboys would whip up over lag issues? It seems like such a shame that when the foreigners can bring an upset there’s a worryingly high number of people who’s sole job seems to be reminding everyone that they’re worthless and they only won due to unfair advantages. You sound very angry You should relax, maybe take a few days off the forum. When people start using language like worthless to describe anything, I assume it's time to take a break from the forums and just enjoy the games.
I read that post completely different. Didn't feel at all angry, more like sad about the posts he describes.
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On May 06 2013 21:05 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 18:03 Greendotz wrote:On May 06 2013 15:12 wklbishop wrote:On May 06 2013 14:36 Waxangel wrote:On May 06 2013 14:24 wklbishop wrote:On May 06 2013 13:29 Alryk wrote:Great stuff! Pretty nice defense by north america, could have been a lot worse. (No "well Hyun had to deal with lag" excuses allowed, because so did all of the Chinese players who qualified, plus some koreans made it in anyways ) After reading this comment I really have to say something about lag and the varying perspective on it... I remember after TSL3 when there was a huge shitstorm and Jinro came out with a statement saying it wasn't a big deal. For the most part people did not think it was a big deal and those who did were shouted down. Then MLG Columbus happened and Koreans dominated. Compounding that was TL refusing to participate in EGMC because of complaints in regards to cross-server play (despite Jinro saying it wasn't a big deal) which said TL thought lag was a factor. People thought lag was a HUGE deal after that. Nowadays, with Koreans losing games here and there offline as well, people don't think it's a big deal. Feels like it's a pendulum. Personally I feel like people either oversell it or undersell. Can't seem to find a in between. Yeah, fans are definitely willing to handwave lag complaints away if it means a popular foreigner is defeating a Korean. In all fairness, they'll also bring up lag complaints again if a less known foreigner beats a popular Korean . Overall, though, KR-NA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal for the Koreans. They destroyed plenty of online leagues and qualifiers in the past, and this NA-Challenger qualifier really seems like an outlier to me. You bring up a great point about popular Korean and I feel like that relates to how these days lag isn't talked about as often. I suspect it has to do with the fact that mid-tier Koreans are playing more often than JUST high-level/well-known ones. 2 years ago, only top level Koreans would be playing, I mean... MC, Losira, MMA at MLG Columbus is like... the present-day equivalent of SoS, Leenock, and Flash being the only ones to go to a foreign tournament. If Flash played cross-server in EU instead of Finale... that is going to be one messy LR. I mean... if we had a repeat of TSL3 only with Innovation and Life losing (in place of MVP and Nestea), the shit will go crazy. THEN AGAIN, to play Devil's advocate against myself. Macro has become increasingly important and maps have grown exponentially bigger which kind of downplays some of the effects of lag. Also no more 4 gate PvP where every shot counts nor Taldarim style ZvZ (as much). And actual experience with dealing with lag as argued by Jinro probably has a factor as Koreans played more on NA. And another counterpoint to my devil's advocate is the fact that ROOT specifically stated one of the reasons they moved to California was for better ping to the KR server; moving for better ping says a lot in of itself about pros opinions of lag. Haha, Anyways, I have no real argument. Just that, it's a clusterfuck mess that people go too much of one direction typically. xD Two days ago MC was knocked out of the EU Challenger qualifiers (ironically) by a player called noname. During that qualifier MC was playing from Germany and I believe he had been for a couple of days (if it’s not ping-lag it’s jet-lag -_-). If he had been in Korea could you imagine what the hysteria the fanboys would whip up over lag issues? It seems like such a shame that when the foreigners can bring an upset there’s a worryingly high number of people who’s sole job seems to be reminding everyone that they’re worthless and they only won due to unfair advantages. You sound very angry You should relax, maybe take a few days off the forum. When people start using language like worthless to describe anything, I assume it's time to take a break from the forums and just enjoy the games.
What an astonishingly condescending post. Completely misses both the tone and the point of the quoted comment.
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Quite a few Chinese players got in. I forsee Premier league becoming all Korean/Chinese in the not so distant future.
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Great result for american players getting 5 in with some really nice upsets!
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Glad to see the Chinese have a strong showing after that earlier debacle.
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Not really WCS "America" anymore lol
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On May 07 2013 01:56 Disengaged wrote:
Not really WCS "America" anymore lol
Not really a surprise either though. There's always ShoutCraft AM though :p
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On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative.
The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China.
The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story.
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On May 07 2013 01:56 Disengaged wrote:
Not really WCS "America" anymore lol
It's more truly WCS "America Server," which I'm plenty happy with. I want to see the talent of NA rise to the challenge in the coming years!
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On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story.
Great point. I'm sure their choice has nothing to do with the fact that WCS KR is completely offline and would require them to live in a different country for a long period of time to take part. Korea and China are basically the same place, right?
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On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story.
1. You have to physically be in Korea to compete in WCS Korea. How many players do you think WCS AM would have had if everybody who wanted to compete had to fly to NYC just for an attempt to qualify?
2. Even with all the Koreans competing in WCS EU/AM, WCS Korea is still 10x harder than any other region.
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On May 07 2013 02:54 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story. Great point. I'm sure their choice has nothing to do with the fact that WCS KR is completely offline and would require them to live in a different country for a long period of time to take part. Korea and China are basically the same place, right?
Korea and China are extremely close geographically. It's the equivalent of saying that "Canadian's living in Vancouver can't compete at a Seattle tournament (United States) because it's just too difficult for them due to offline requirements, so they must compete in a Korean tournament which is partially online". Again you don't understand how close in proximity the two countries are. It is possible to take a ferry boat from Beijing to mainland South Korea. Flights are also cheap. Relative to the cost of coming to the America's it is extremely cheap .
Cost of flight to the America's from mainland china is roughly $1,400 - $1,800 for 2 one-way tickets if you're lucky. This doesn't include the incredible hassle of getting a U.S. visa ($200) which may be denied for any reason under the sun. Yes, it is easier to compete in the offline Korean WCS than to come to the United States once/if they are in premier league.
Once again, Chinese are not being pigeonholed into playing America WCS. They are simply taking advantage of a loophole in the WCS system that was originally intended to be a region-lock but failed. I'm not criticizing Chinese players for doing this, but I am criticizing forum-posters for pretending like they were "forced" into this choice.
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all the chinese players qualified, except one who was knocked out by another chinese. this is from CHINA which has worse even worse lag than korea to na.
these guys are some of the best players in the world. jim was rumored to be rank 1 kr gm, for example.
and did mlg really dq comm from this tournament as well? what the fuck? i thought mlg was fixing it's mistakes...
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On May 07 2013 02:59 Dracid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story. 1. You have to physically be in Korea to compete in WCS Korea. How many players do you think WCS AM would have had if everybody who wanted to compete had to fly to NYC just for an attempt to qualify? 2. Even with all the Koreans competing in WCS EU/AM, WCS Korea is still 10x harder than any other region.
1. Based on interviews with Blizzard officials, all the WCS events we're intended to be offline originally, and will be in the future.
2. I'm in agreement with you here . . . this is why the Chinese payers are playing in the WCS, not because they are "forced". It's because there is less competition and they have a better shot at prize money meant for the America's Region.
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On May 07 2013 03:16 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:54 Rostam wrote:On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story. Great point. I'm sure their choice has nothing to do with the fact that WCS KR is completely offline and would require them to live in a different country for a long period of time to take part. Korea and China are basically the same place, right? Korea and China are extremely close geographically. It's the equivalent of saying that "Canadian's living in Vancouver can't compete at a Seattle tournament (United States) because it's just too difficult for them due to offline requirements, so they must compete in a Korean tournament which is partially online". Again you don't understand how close in proximity the two countries are. It is possible to take a ferry boat from Beijing to mainland South Korea. Flights are also cheap. Relative to the cost of coming to the America's it is extremely cheap . Cost of flight to the America's from mainland china is roughly $1,400 - $1,800 for 2 one-way tickets if you're lucky. This doesn't include the incredible hassle of getting a U.S. visa ($200) which may be denied for any reason under the sun. Yes, it is easier to compete in the offline Korean WCS than to come to the United States once/if they are in premier league.
If they compete in WCS KR, they have to be in Seoul even if they're just trying to qualify for Code A.
If they compete in WCS AM, they don't have to leave China unless they make it to the ro8 of the premier league, and then only for a weekend.
It's really not hard to understand why the latter would be more appealing.
On May 07 2013 03:31 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:25 SCST wrote:On May 07 2013 02:59 Dracid wrote:On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:
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Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story. 1. You have to physically be in Korea to compete in WCS Korea. How many players do you think WCS AM would have had if everybody who wanted to compete had to fly to NYC just for an attempt to qualify? 2. Even with all the Koreans competing in WCS EU/AM, WCS Korea is still 10x harder than any other region. 1. Based on interviews with Blizzard officials, all the WCS events we're intended to be offline originally, and will be in the future. 2. I'm in agreement with you here . . . this is why the Chinese payers are playing in the WCS, not because they are "forced". It's because there is less competition and they have a better shot at prize money meant for the America's Region. Do you not get it, or do you want to spread false information? There is no way for anyone into GSL this season; even if the CN players would travel to KR, the participants were already set for code S.
Good point as well, they surely intended to participate in the Premier League qualifiers when they declared their region. Even though that didn't end up working out for most of them, it makes sense.
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On May 07 2013 03:25 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:59 Dracid wrote:On May 07 2013 02:31 SCST wrote:On May 06 2013 23:31 Acrofales wrote:On May 06 2013 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 06 2013 15:36 [Erasmus] wrote:On May 06 2013 15:22 SCWind wrote:On May 06 2013 15:21 JohnHarr wrote:On May 06 2013 15:14 selboN wrote:On May 06 2013 12:50 bittman wrote:
Some totally unexpected stuff in there. Nationalistically sad that PiG didn't make it through. But someone from across the Tasman made it in Tilea. Good to see a SEA & female rep in there. Female? puCK is a female. Last I heard puck said he/she wasn't 100% certain if he/she wanted to transition to female any more. So it's probably best not to talk about it at all Tilea is the female being referred to here... Oh hey, I didn't know about her. Nice to see more female players getting results. Wish there were more Americans, though. Also a transgender. Are there any actual female players in the pro scene (I guess Eve?) I am not judging, it just strikes me as really surprising that as e-Sports slowly gains more popularity, there are still no girl gamers at the top level. Oh, and it's not just 5 Americans (which in and of itself is a success for America, imho), it is only 4 Koreans. Players like Zenio and JYP got housted. And anybody saying Chinese should not be in the WCS AM, until there is a WCS Asia (as opposed to a WCS Korea), they have no real alternative. The biggest falsehood perpetrated on these forums . . . "Chinese players just have no choice, they are helpless and must compete in America's regional WCS" . . . this is pure propaganda. I say propaganda because it's so utterly obvious that WCS Korea is the equivalent of WCS Asia at this time. Korea is next door to China. Do we need geography lessons? Korea is literally next door to China. The reason the Chinese are competing in the America WCS is not because they "have no choice", it's because they want to, so that they can acquire prize money easier than competing in their local region. It's a loophole, plain and simple. Stop defending it like it's some freaking sob story. 1. You have to physically be in Korea to compete in WCS Korea. How many players do you think WCS AM would have had if everybody who wanted to compete had to fly to NYC just for an attempt to qualify? 2. Even with all the Koreans competing in WCS EU/AM, WCS Korea is still 10x harder than any other region. 1. Based on interviews with Blizzard officials, all the WCS events we're intended to be offline originally, and will be in the future. 2. I'm in agreement with you here . . . this is why the Chinese payers are playing in the WCS, not because they are "forced". It's because there is less competition and they have a better shot at prize money meant for the America's Region.
Do you not get it, or do you want to spread false information? There is no way for anyone into GSL this season; even if the CN players would travel to KR, the participants were already set for code S.
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