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This thread is not for discussion about which tournaments Scarlett is allowed to play in or not. Moderation regarding such in this thread will be less lenient from now on. -semioldguy (p.22) |
On April 24 2013 16:05 Befree wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I feel bad doing this, I know I shouldn't play into this, I know I should stay on topic and this is probably against the rules, I know it's none of our business, but when I read some of these ignorant comments I feel an obligation to reply. First, her trans status is none of your business, has no effect on you, and shouldn't need to disclosed to you nor explained to you. Second, you have completely outdated ideas of sex and gender. You first off latch onto your false characteristics of what defines each sex, none of which actually do clearly define sex as science has come to discover. Then you act as if these false characteristics are also what define gender for you, even though likely 99.99% of your evaluations of someone's gender throughout your life were not based on attributes like testosterone/estrogen levels, chromosomes, genitalia, or reproductive systems. Third, and I believe this is most important here, you have no idea what being trans even is. You think it's someone who decides they want to be the other sex, and so they pretend and everyone plays along. That is NOT at all the case. In the womb, the fetal brain is pushed towards a male gender through the action of testosterone on nerve cells, or towards female by the absence of this testosterone. This is the process that develops our gender identity in our brain and it occurs during the second half of pregnancy. But it's during the first two months of pregnancy that the sexual differentiation of the genitals occurs. Both these processes can be influenced independently and in some extreme cases can result in trans-sexuality. The degree of the masculinization of the genitals does not necessarily reflect the masculinization of the brain. There's no indication that the social environment after birth affects gender identity (*). There are studies (**) that compare the female brain to a male-to-female trans woman's brain and they also show the same thing that the male-to-female trans brain is structurally similar to the genetically female brain. They are essentially a brain with a mismatched body. This incongruence can be very disruptive to a their life and make them feel horrible because they never feel right in their gender identity and their body. These extreme cases of gender dysphoria have been found to be treated best by sex reassignment therapy and hormone therapy. It is not meant to be cosmetic, elective, or optional in any meaningful way (***). After two years of hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment therapy, a male-to-female trans woman is essentially physically female. In 2003, the International Olympic Committee Medical Commission even recommended for sport that all male-to-female trans women be regarded as female for competition as there was no meaningful physical difference after sex reassignment and two years of HRT. For our particular case of Scarlett, she was born partially female, the more meaningful and important part, the brain. And now also has essentially a female body. It is NOT political correctness to call her female, it is not polite, it is not for the sake of making her feel good, it is simply the truth. She is female. You can be rude and hateful and refer to trans people by their gender they don't identify as, but you're only making a fool of yourself because you're wrong. And science has explained exactly why you are wrong. So instead of trying to push your ignorant, emotion-based, unscientific line of reasoning, how about you just shut the fuck up and take a moment to actually educate yourself on the matter before blurting out such stupidity. Here's what I cited: (*) Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35 (**) Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70. and Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041 (***) http://www.wpath.org/documents2/socv6.pdf(****) http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_905.pdf----- I recognize it is bad to derail a thread with a comment like this, and maybe it's a warning or ban, but I just cannot stand reading these completely ignorant comments from people who think they know what they're talking about. There is so much ignorance on transgender people and so much transphobia everywhere that I feel it is necessary to respond to this ignorance with the truth. Because I really don't think the vast majority of people have any idea of the science or facts around it. I do apologize, though, to Scarlett, for continuing the conversation on her transgender status which I do not feel is any of our business. It would probably be more appropriate in a transgender topic than her injury announcement thread, but I only mean to help and educate others. ---- I'm sorry to hear about Scarlett's injury. I've been a big fan since I remember first seeing her play at that MLG. We'll just have to be rooting extra hard for her in the WCS now then. Hopefully her break falls on the shorter side of the 2-6 month estimation, that's a really long time  . Cloud, please read this. Posts like you just made reflect extremely poorly on you.
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@whoso, @aTnClouD: There is zero evidence to suggest men are better than women at playing Starcraft. If you'd like to bring some facts to the discussion other than your opinions, feel free to do so.
Also, this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 16:05 Befree wrote:I feel bad doing this, I know I shouldn't play into this, I know I should stay on topic and this is probably against the rules, I know it's none of our business, but when I read some of these ignorant comments I feel an obligation to reply. First, her trans status is none of your business, has no effect on you, and shouldn't need to disclosed to you nor explained to you. Second, you have completely outdated ideas of sex and gender. You first off latch onto your false characteristics of what defines each sex, none of which actually do clearly define sex as science has come to discover. Then you act as if these false characteristics are also what define gender for you, even though likely 99.99% of your evaluations of someone's gender throughout your life were not based on attributes like testosterone/estrogen levels, chromosomes, genitalia, or reproductive systems. Third, and I believe this is most important here, you have no idea what being trans even is. You think it's someone who decides they want to be the other sex, and so they pretend and everyone plays along. That is NOT at all the case. In the womb, the fetal brain is pushed towards a male gender through the action of testosterone on nerve cells, or towards female by the absence of this testosterone. This is the process that develops our gender identity in our brain and it occurs during the second half of pregnancy. But it's during the first two months of pregnancy that the sexual differentiation of the genitals occurs. Both these processes can be influenced independently and in some extreme cases can result in trans-sexuality. The degree of the masculinization of the genitals does not necessarily reflect the masculinization of the brain. There's no indication that the social environment after birth affects gender identity (*). There are studies (**) that compare the female brain to a male-to-female trans woman's brain and they also show the same thing that the male-to-female trans brain is structurally similar to the genetically female brain. They are essentially a brain with a mismatched body. This incongruence can be very disruptive to a their life and make them feel horrible because they never feel right in their gender identity and their body. These extreme cases of gender dysphoria have been found to be treated best by sex reassignment therapy and hormone therapy. It is not meant to be cosmetic, elective, or optional in any meaningful way (***). After two years of hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment therapy, a male-to-female trans woman is essentially physically female. In 2003, the International Olympic Committee Medical Commission even recommended for sport that all male-to-female trans women be regarded as female for competition as there was no meaningful physical difference after sex reassignment and two years of HRT. For our particular case of Scarlett, she was born partially female, the more meaningful and important part, the brain. And now also has essentially a female body. It is NOT political correctness to call her female, it is not polite, it is not for the sake of making her feel good, it is simply the truth. She is female. You can be rude and hateful and refer to trans people by their gender they don't identify as, but you're only making a fool of yourself because you're wrong. And science has explained exactly why you are wrong. So instead of trying to push your ignorant, emotion-based, unscientific line of reasoning, how about you just shut the fuck up and take a moment to actually educate yourself on the matter before blurting out such stupidity. Here's what I cited: (*) Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35 (**) Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70. and Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041 (***) http://www.wpath.org/documents2/socv6.pdf(****) http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_905.pdf----- I recognize it is bad to derail a thread with a comment like this, and maybe it's a warning or ban, but I just cannot stand reading these completely ignorant comments from people who think they know what they're talking about. There is so much ignorance on transgender people and so much transphobia everywhere that I feel it is necessary to respond to this ignorance with the truth. Because I really don't think the vast majority of people have any idea of the science or facts around it. I do apologize, though, to Scarlett, for continuing the conversation on her transgender status which I do not feel is any of our business. It would probably be more appropriate in a transgender topic than her injury announcement thread, but I only mean to help and educate others. ---- I'm sorry to hear about Scarlett's injury. I've been a big fan since I remember first seeing her play at that MLG. We'll just have to be rooting extra hard for her in the WCS now then. Hopefully her break falls on the shorter side of the 2-6 month estimation, that's a really long time .
On April 28 2013 03:21 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 03:02 whoso wrote:
if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc? It's not, but SC2 community has to be politically correct and accept this in the name of blind love for minorances.
Yes, how dare anyone display their "blind love" for minorities. We should discriminate and marginalize anyone who looks or acts different than the majority. Hear, hear. I think I can detect Mussolini clapping in the background.
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Hes a really good player, hope he recovers soon, good luck!
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in more well established track sports with clearly defined "gender rules" .. Scarlett , at this point, would probably be forbidden from entering the female stuff most of the time...
the rules have changed over the years... but if the IOC decided to "invoke their testing rights"...
Scarlett would prolly not be permitted to play in the female events.
NCAA does it based on driver's license, tax stuff and voter registration. so NCAA would probably not permit Scarlett to compete in stuff like WOmen's hockey.
every event and organization has their own policies though
its up to each individual event what they wanna do.
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On April 28 2013 04:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
every event and organization has their own policies though
its up to each individual event what they wanna do.
but what's important is how a bunch of whiny babies with no tournament results can show off how they're living in the dark ages
good show, fellas!
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On April 28 2013 04:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
in more well established track sports with clearly defined "gender rules" .. Scarlett , at this point, would probably be forbidden from entering the female stuff most of the time...
the rules have changed over the years... but if the IOC decided to "invoke their testing rights"...
Scarlett would prolly not be permitted to play in the female events.
NCAA does it based on driver's license, tax stuff and voter registration. so NCAA would probably not permit Scarlett to compete in stuff like WOmen's hockey.
every event and organization has their own policies though
its up to each individual event what they wanna do.
Hmm not really, most event (in the western world atleast) allows it, even the Olympic allows trans people to play as their identified gender.
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I don't like Scarlett going into female only tourney and here's why:
She is TOO GOOD. It might sound funny but she is way ahead of every other female players. I remember Aphrodite said it's like playing against a male player. (interview or somewhere) It is not saying Scarlett is male and she is good, it means she is at a completely different level. What is the point to have a female only tourney if Scarlett will always dominate everyone and stopping the female scene to grow?
Difficulty it puts onto tourney creators. It becomes difficult for them to put on a female (as a selling point), not overly imbalanced tournament. The reason why female tourney worked was because there were a few similarly skilled players, masters, GMs but none are close to good male progamer's level. They also can't NOT let trans play, otherwise the tourney will be seen as a hatred against trans thing.
The negativity put upon to Scarlett. It's just she is gonna get more blame and hate from the people who disagree with her joining female league.
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On April 28 2013 04:22 RampancyTW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 03:21 aTnClouD wrote:On April 28 2013 03:02 whoso wrote:
if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc? It's not, but SC2 community has to be politically correct and accept this in the name of blind love for minorances. Scarlett has the brain of a man, which is different from the brain of a woman, and so far results-wise has been proven to be way more efficient to play Starcraft. That means that if we want to be truly fair she shouldn't compete in tournaments where only girls are allowed like she did so far. As much as she deserves respect as anyone else for which gender she identifies with it's not right that she participated in several female only tournaments. Mindblowing ignorance being spewed from aTnCloud. Who would have thunk it?
the good old "bigot! ignorant! backwards! fascist! reactionary!" routine.
how many che guevara t-shirts do you own?
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On April 28 2013 04:37 Evil_Sheep wrote:
@whoso, @aTnClouD: There is zero evidence to suggest men are better than women at playing Starcraft. If you'd like to bring some facts to the discussion other than your opinions, feel free to do so.
uhuh, easy now. i only said i think it would be worrysome if tl would censor such discussions.
but anyways, now since you asked: as it stands there are more men playing sc2 than women by, educated guess, more than an order of magnitude. of course this immediately means that there will be way more tourneys won by men than women. it remains to explore why men are so overrepresented...whether its origin is cultural or biological (or both) i guess nobody can deny men are -on average-(!) more interested in competing in any sorts of competition then women. i doubt anyone can make statements about some sort of intrinsic talent for sc2 between men and women, however, because of the same reason i very well believe it is important to remain skeptical. i would certainly not make a statement such as the male brain is better for sc2 than the female brain (really no), because i dont know, but there certainly is such a possibility, if you rule it out, its like sticking fingers in your ear and scream lalalal to unpleasant things you dont want to hear.
anyways, the much cited post above puts together there is no difference in born females and transgender females, which would make this discussion obsolete right. but...dont know. after all these years there finally is a girl showing insane skill and breaking through to the absolute top, how can you really tell a rational person he is oh so ignorant if this single one girl turns out to be transgender? how can you really tell him he is ignorant if he worries that putting her together with other women in a women only tourney for sc2 which is thought to help developing female sc2 esports is at least something to think about a little?
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On April 28 2013 04:58 whoso wrote:
how can you really tell a rational person he is oh so ignorant if this single one girl turns out to be transgender? how can you really tell him he is ignorant if he worries that putting her together with other women in a women only tourney for sc2 which is thought to help developing female sc2 esports is at least something to think about a little?
because this is predicated on the really weak/bigoted/idiotic assertion that men are better than women at starcraft? because the "rational person" is the same washed-up nobody who called out successful commentators the last time he got any attention (and is now calling out the one transgendered starcraft player anyone knows)?
..then again, this is coming from a community of 14 year olds that think korean people are superior to people of other nationalities because of what they do in a video game...
you're gonna have a really good life if you think this way 
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On April 28 2013 04:22 RampancyTW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 03:21 aTnClouD wrote:On April 28 2013 03:02 whoso wrote:
if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc? It's not, but SC2 community has to be politically correct and accept this in the name of blind love for minorances. Scarlett has the brain of a man, which is different from the brain of a woman, and so far results-wise has been proven to be way more efficient to play Starcraft. That means that if we want to be truly fair she shouldn't compete in tournaments where only girls are allowed like she did so far. As much as she deserves respect as anyone else for which gender she identifies with it's not right that she participated in several female only tournaments. Mindblowing ignorance being spewed from aTnCloud. Who would have thunk it?
Indeed, totally ignorant. There are studies that show that the brain of MtF transexual individuals is different than men, they seem to not be equal from women but they resemble more a woman's brain.
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On April 28 2013 05:02 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 04:58 whoso wrote:
how can you really tell a rational person he is oh so ignorant if this single one girl turns out to be transgender? how can you really tell him he is ignorant if he worries that putting her together with other women in a women only tourney for sc2 which is thought to help developing female sc2 esports is at least something to think about a little? because this is predicated on the really weak/bigoted/idiotic assertion that men are better than women at starcraft? because the "rational person" is the same washed-up nobody who called out successful commentators the last time he got any attention (and is now calling out the one transgendered starcraft player anyone knows)? ..then again, this is coming from a community of 14 year olds that think korean people are superior to people of other nationalities because of what they do in a video game... you're gonna have a really good life if you think this way
i dont think youre helping the discussion when you resort to personal insults. still im going to ask you, why do you think they are even holding female only tourneys hm? or why do they do female only tourneys in chess and what not. because the female scenes in these sports are massively underdeveloped compared to the male ones, for reasons nobody can make a definite statement about.
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On April 28 2013 05:08 whoso wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:02 yeastiality wrote:On April 28 2013 04:58 whoso wrote:
how can you really tell a rational person he is oh so ignorant if this single one girl turns out to be transgender? how can you really tell him he is ignorant if he worries that putting her together with other women in a women only tourney for sc2 which is thought to help developing female sc2 esports is at least something to think about a little? because this is predicated on the really weak/bigoted/idiotic assertion that men are better than women at starcraft? because the "rational person" is the same washed-up nobody who called out successful commentators the last time he got any attention (and is now calling out the one transgendered starcraft player anyone knows)? ..then again, this is coming from a community of 14 year olds that think korean people are superior to people of other nationalities because of what they do in a video game... you're gonna have a really good life if you think this way i dont think youre helping the discussion when you resort to personal insults. still im going to ask you, why do you think they are even holding female only tourneys hm? or why do they do female only tourneys in chess and what not. because the female scenes in these sports are massively underdeveloped compared to the male ones, for reasons nobody can make a definite statement about.
Yes, that is why they hold those tournaments. Yes, Scarlett did compete in them and probably inspired lots of other women to try playing the game competitively. No, I don't give a shit about the purity of the competition as it pertains to someone's shitty "research" about male/female capabilities or whatever. The reason we have female-only tournaments in the first place is that you fucking idiots take your boys' club attitude about sports and apply it to video games out of fear and ignorance.
At the end of the day, nobody posting in this thread really has a fucking clue about the 'science' they're citing. It's basically the same as klan members talking about phrenology, only with women and video games. Or, in the case of Cloud, there's zero science and just a bunch of poorly-connected ideas from someone who skipped becoming an adult to fail at competing in video games. What matters is that Scarlett would fucking rape all of you in a tournament, and you're too weak to respect that like if she was a man.
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Olympic rules permit transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics after having completed sex reassignment surgery, being legally recognized as a member of the sex they wish to compete as, and having undergone two years of hormonal therapy, unless they transitioned before puberty.
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On April 28 2013 04:55 Shodaa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 04:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
in more well established track sports with clearly defined "gender rules" .. Scarlett , at this point, would probably be forbidden from entering the female stuff most of the time...
the rules have changed over the years... but if the IOC decided to "invoke their testing rights"...
Scarlett would prolly not be permitted to play in the female events.
NCAA does it based on driver's license, tax stuff and voter registration. so NCAA would probably not permit Scarlett to compete in stuff like WOmen's hockey.
every event and organization has their own policies though
its up to each individual event what they wanna do. Hmm not really, most event (in the western world atleast) allows it, even the Olympic allows trans people to play as their identified gender.
The IOC has been changing its policies in this area for decades.
To say for sure what the IOC would do next..... well ... where is ur crystal ball ?
NCAA would not allow Scarlett.. don't know where u r getting ur info from on NCAA women's events.
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Awe that is the worst! I hope she gets better !
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On April 28 2013 04:37 Evil_Sheep wrote:@whoso, @aTnClouD: There is zero evidence to suggest men are better than women at playing Starcraft. If you'd like to bring some facts to the discussion other than your opinions, feel free to do so. Also, this: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 16:05 Befree wrote:I feel bad doing this, I know I shouldn't play into this, I know I should stay on topic and this is probably against the rules, I know it's none of our business, but when I read some of these ignorant comments I feel an obligation to reply. First, her trans status is none of your business, has no effect on you, and shouldn't need to disclosed to you nor explained to you. Second, you have completely outdated ideas of sex and gender. You first off latch onto your false characteristics of what defines each sex, none of which actually do clearly define sex as science has come to discover. Then you act as if these false characteristics are also what define gender for you, even though likely 99.99% of your evaluations of someone's gender throughout your life were not based on attributes like testosterone/estrogen levels, chromosomes, genitalia, or reproductive systems. Third, and I believe this is most important here, you have no idea what being trans even is. You think it's someone who decides they want to be the other sex, and so they pretend and everyone plays along. That is NOT at all the case. In the womb, the fetal brain is pushed towards a male gender through the action of testosterone on nerve cells, or towards female by the absence of this testosterone. This is the process that develops our gender identity in our brain and it occurs during the second half of pregnancy. But it's during the first two months of pregnancy that the sexual differentiation of the genitals occurs. Both these processes can be influenced independently and in some extreme cases can result in trans-sexuality. The degree of the masculinization of the genitals does not necessarily reflect the masculinization of the brain. There's no indication that the social environment after birth affects gender identity (*). There are studies (**) that compare the female brain to a male-to-female trans woman's brain and they also show the same thing that the male-to-female trans brain is structurally similar to the genetically female brain. They are essentially a brain with a mismatched body. This incongruence can be very disruptive to a their life and make them feel horrible because they never feel right in their gender identity and their body. These extreme cases of gender dysphoria have been found to be treated best by sex reassignment therapy and hormone therapy. It is not meant to be cosmetic, elective, or optional in any meaningful way (***). After two years of hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment therapy, a male-to-female trans woman is essentially physically female. In 2003, the International Olympic Committee Medical Commission even recommended for sport that all male-to-female trans women be regarded as female for competition as there was no meaningful physical difference after sex reassignment and two years of HRT. For our particular case of Scarlett, she was born partially female, the more meaningful and important part, the brain. And now also has essentially a female body. It is NOT political correctness to call her female, it is not polite, it is not for the sake of making her feel good, it is simply the truth. She is female. You can be rude and hateful and refer to trans people by their gender they don't identify as, but you're only making a fool of yourself because you're wrong. And science has explained exactly why you are wrong. So instead of trying to push your ignorant, emotion-based, unscientific line of reasoning, how about you just shut the fuck up and take a moment to actually educate yourself on the matter before blurting out such stupidity. Here's what I cited: (*) Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35 (**) Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70. and Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041 (***) http://www.wpath.org/documents2/socv6.pdf(****) http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_905.pdf----- I recognize it is bad to derail a thread with a comment like this, and maybe it's a warning or ban, but I just cannot stand reading these completely ignorant comments from people who think they know what they're talking about. There is so much ignorance on transgender people and so much transphobia everywhere that I feel it is necessary to respond to this ignorance with the truth. Because I really don't think the vast majority of people have any idea of the science or facts around it. I do apologize, though, to Scarlett, for continuing the conversation on her transgender status which I do not feel is any of our business. It would probably be more appropriate in a transgender topic than her injury announcement thread, but I only mean to help and educate others. ---- I'm sorry to hear about Scarlett's injury. I've been a big fan since I remember first seeing her play at that MLG. We'll just have to be rooting extra hard for her in the WCS now then. Hopefully her break falls on the shorter side of the 2-6 month estimation, that's a really long time . Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 03:21 aTnClouD wrote:On April 28 2013 03:02 whoso wrote:
if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc? It's not, but SC2 community has to be politically correct and accept this in the name of blind love for minorances. Yes, how dare anyone display their "blind love" for minorities. We should discriminate and marginalize anyone who looks or acts different than the majority. Hear, hear. I think I can detect Mussolini clapping in the background.
So basically a player like ROOT.Puck can alter the way his whole brain works just by deciding to switch back and forth between genders like he did recently? That's pretty impressive!
You're not educating anyone by spreading your pro-LGBT propaganda, don't worry though, it's the popular opinion to adopt these days so you'll have plenty of people to circlejerk with.
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On April 28 2013 05:12 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:08 whoso wrote:On April 28 2013 05:02 yeastiality wrote:On April 28 2013 04:58 whoso wrote:
how can you really tell a rational person he is oh so ignorant if this single one girl turns out to be transgender? how can you really tell him he is ignorant if he worries that putting her together with other women in a women only tourney for sc2 which is thought to help developing female sc2 esports is at least something to think about a little? because this is predicated on the really weak/bigoted/idiotic assertion that men are better than women at starcraft? because the "rational person" is the same washed-up nobody who called out successful commentators the last time he got any attention (and is now calling out the one transgendered starcraft player anyone knows)? ..then again, this is coming from a community of 14 year olds that think korean people are superior to people of other nationalities because of what they do in a video game... you're gonna have a really good life if you think this way i dont think youre helping the discussion when you resort to personal insults. still im going to ask you, why do you think they are even holding female only tourneys hm? or why do they do female only tourneys in chess and what not. because the female scenes in these sports are massively underdeveloped compared to the male ones, for reasons nobody can make a definite statement about. Yes, that is why they hold those tournaments. Yes, Scarlett did compete in them and probably inspired lots of other women to try playing the game competitively. No, I don't give a shit about the purity of the competition as it pertains to someone's shitty "research" about male/female capabilities or whatever. The reason we have female-only tournaments in the first place is that you fucking idiots take your boys' club attitude about sports and apply it to video games out of fear and ignorance. At the end of the day, nobody posting in this thread really has a fucking clue about the 'science' they're citing. It's basically the same as klan members talking about phrenology, only with women and video games. Or, in the case of Cloud, there's zero science and just a bunch of poorly-connected ideas from someone who skipped becoming an adult to fail at competing in video games. What matters is that Scarlett would fucking rape all of you in a tournament, and you're too weak to respect that like if she was a man.
youre way to fast to make assumptions about other people my dear. what you show here is ignorance and irrationality at its very core. so much spite and hate, hardly understandable. i dont even in the slightest agree with what cloud said, but i also made that clear above.
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On April 28 2013 05:12 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:08 whoso wrote:On April 28 2013 05:02 yeastiality wrote:On April 28 2013 04:58 whoso wrote:
how can you really tell a rational person he is oh so ignorant if this single one girl turns out to be transgender? how can you really tell him he is ignorant if he worries that putting her together with other women in a women only tourney for sc2 which is thought to help developing female sc2 esports is at least something to think about a little? because this is predicated on the really weak/bigoted/idiotic assertion that men are better than women at starcraft? because the "rational person" is the same washed-up nobody who called out successful commentators the last time he got any attention (and is now calling out the one transgendered starcraft player anyone knows)? ..then again, this is coming from a community of 14 year olds that think korean people are superior to people of other nationalities because of what they do in a video game... you're gonna have a really good life if you think this way i dont think youre helping the discussion when you resort to personal insults. still im going to ask you, why do you think they are even holding female only tourneys hm? or why do they do female only tourneys in chess and what not. because the female scenes in these sports are massively underdeveloped compared to the male ones, for reasons nobody can make a definite statement about. Yes, that is why they hold those tournaments. Yes, Scarlett did compete in them and probably inspired lots of other women to try playing the game competitively. No, I don't give a shit about the purity of the competition as it pertains to someone's shitty "research" about male/female capabilities or whatever. The reason we have female-only tournaments in the first place is that you fucking idiots take your boys' club attitude about sports and apply it to video games out of fear and ignorance. At the end of the day, nobody posting in this thread really has a fucking clue about the 'science' they're citing. It's basically the same as klan members talking about phrenology, only with women and video games. Or, in the case of Cloud, there's zero science and just a bunch of poorly-connected ideas from someone who skipped becoming an adult to fail at competing in video games. What matters is that Scarlett would fucking rape all of you in a tournament, and you're too weak to respect that like if she was a man.
I think you have some issues, read what you are actually writing in this thread, its quite embarrassing and I do not think you are doing Scarlett any favours with your horrible attitude which does annoy and a lot of others who actually respect Scarlett and are not just obsessed with pedantic arguments over her gender status.
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oh, i might add: if i would have been in the position to decide to let her enter a female only tourney or not by myself, i propably would have let her, but not without having at least a certain amount of doubt in my mind
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EPT
