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This thread is not for discussion about which tournaments Scarlett is allowed to play in or not. Moderation regarding such in this thread will be less lenient from now on. -semioldguy (p.22) | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 28 2013 04:48 MeriaDoKk wrote: Hes a really good player, hope he recovers soon, good luck! User was warned for this post Don't be a Dbag and really this has been discussed before and frankly this attitude is rather toxic. | ||
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Simsallabin
Nepal216 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On April 28 2013 05:43 Simsallabin wrote: If the passport/id say female I thinks she should be allowed to play in female only tournaments, if it still say male I think it would be better to wait until all is done. sure, buddy, but consider this: the thread title is "Scarlett to take a break from SC2" and nobody fucking asked you for your uneducated opinion. | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On April 28 2013 05:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The IOC has been changing its policies in this area for decades. To say for sure what the IOC would do next..... well ... where is ur crystal ball ? NCAA would not allow Scarlett.. don't know where u r getting ur info from on NCAA women's events. I'll be honest, I don't know much about sport outside of eSport, but by googling I found this: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest News/2011/September/Transgender policy approved So yea, seems like they allow trans people if they have done atleast a year of hormone therapy. And to be honest, this is not the right thread for it and arguing about stuff like that would fit more in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402276 | ||
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KelianQatar
303 Posts
Hope she gets well soon! | ||
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Simsallabin
Nepal216 Posts
On April 28 2013 05:44 yeastiality wrote: sure, buddy, but consider this: the thread title is "Scarlett to take a break from SC2" and nobody fucking asked you for your uneducated opinion. What do you mean by uneducated opinion? I didn't ask you to comment on my post so why did you? Seems strange you do things just as you feel like it and that can't be OK since you so angry when others do so. If you read the last few pages it's been talk about female only tournaments so I put my opinion and will keep doing so even if you get upset like a Twilight fangirl. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
hope it get better FAST!!! we need her so much | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
I'd like to think of female tournaments as a different league. Empirically, women are worse than men in Starcraft (lets ignore the debate about whether Scarlett is truly a female mentally or not, just a different can of worms. I'm going to pretend that Scarlett doesn't exist in my discussion, because the true neuroscience of transsexuals isn't something completely understood, and I don't want to draw conclusions for or against it.). This is proven by the fact that there are no females in the absolute top tier. Tossgirl was relevant, but she only has a few exceptional results to her name. Otherwise, you see and saw no females playing in the MSL, OSL, PL, GSL et al. and definitely don't stay relevant if one does pop up (which only Tossgirl really qualifies as). So, if you take this empirical data, you can conclude that women under-perform in Starcraft. I don't know why this is, nor is it relevant to my discussion, fact is, it is just so. So I like to think of female tournaments as say a "Masters-only league". If you allowed MC, Flash or IdrA to join these tournaments, they'd crush any female gamer 9/10 of the times. So if you want females to compete and have a chance, the data shows you can't put them against males, or they'll lose; so, just have them face each other exclusively. So back to Scarlett: she's fucking good. She's on the level of Koreans. So what happens if you allow her into a female tournament? You can bet your sweet money that she'll be 1st in 98% of them: unless she loses to cheese for whatever reason. So then, once again, you have the issue where all the competition is crushed and the women participating here don't have a chance to place 1st. So, you kinda lose the purpose of separating women due to their historical and empirical under-performance respective to men. This is ignoring the fact Scarlett probably can't be bothered joining these tournaments any more because she's just so next-level, but that's another story. All in all, people should just be wishing Scarlett a good physical recovery, something which must surely be independent from whether she's truly a guy or a girl neurologically. | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:00 Shalaiyn wrote: Empirically, women are worse than men in Starcraft. This is proven by the fact that there are no females in the absolute top tier. what. seriously, if this was a forum about science or argument that shit wouldn't fly. On April 28 2013 06:00 Shalaiyn wrote: So, if you take this empirical data, you can conclude that women under-perform in Starcraft. I don't know why this is, nor is it relevant to my discussion, fact is, it is just so. so it's "empirically proven" by the fact that there aren't top tier female players.....but you don't know 'why this is'... but it's "just so" this is what it looks like when someone is tremendously bigoted but tries to seem like an intellectual, folks. | ||
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shekyeung
21 Posts
On April 28 2013 05:39 Shakattak wrote: Don't be a Dbag and really this has been discussed before and frankly this attitude is rather toxic. I'm curious though, Scarlett was born male, but now chose to be female. Shouldn't it be "it" instead? User was banned for this post. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
On April 28 2013 04:50 yeastiality wrote: but what's important is how a bunch of whiny babies with no tournament results can show off how they're living in the dark ages good show, fellas! ad hominem? it doesn't matter if you are gsl champion or bronze league, your opinion about this has the same weight | ||
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Vestrel
Canada271 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:01 shekyeung wrote: I'm curious though, Scarlett was born male, but now chose to be female. Shouldn't it be "it" instead? Who the fuck refers to a person as 'it'? That's even more stupid than making a point of saying 'he' when referring to Scarlett | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:01 yeastiality wrote: what. seriously, if this was a forum about science or argument that shit wouldn't fly. so it's "empirically proven" by the fact that there aren't top tier female player.....but you don't know 'why this is'... but it's "just so" this is what it looks like when someone is tremendously bigoted but tries to seem like an intellectual, folks. Look at all tournaments. There isn't a single woman (again, I'm ignoring Scarlett because I don't want to poke that bear) in there with results. So, going in it with a completely blind POV, women are worse than men, because data shows that women don't get results in comparison to men. Why? I don't know. Is there a reason? Perhaps. Do I know the answers to those questions? God no. Quick addition: I haven't performed a study on this, nor am I an expert on gender differential neurology, so I won't presume that I know what causes a gender-bias in eSports, but it is evident by looking at tournaments in any game, that men dominate it. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16962 Posts
On April 28 2013 05:44 Shodaa wrote: I'll be honest, I don't know much about sport outside of eSport, but by googling I found this: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest News/2011/September/Transgender policy approved So yea, seems like they allow trans people if they have done atleast a year of hormone therapy. And to be honest, this is not the right thread for it and arguing about stuff like that would fit more in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402276 some of the testerone suppression drugs are banned substances by the IIHF. saying its a "slam dunk" that Scarlett would be eligible for NCAA women's hockey is incorrect. furthermore, where is the 1 year of documentation on the hormone suppression therapy undergone by Scarlett?,.. and the testing results. Who is paying for that ? you? It'd be a long drawn out administrative process which might still result in Scarlett's exclusion from NCAA Women's hockey. | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:04 Reptilia wrote: ad hominem? it doesn't matter if you are gsl champion or bronze league, your opinion about this has the same weight It's not ad hominem if there's no argument to attack. I'm just calling it like it is: everyone hating on Scarlett is a pathetic attention whore. On April 28 2013 06:08 Shalaiyn wrote: Look at all tournaments. There isn't a single woman (again, I'm ignoring Scarlett because I don't want to poke that bear) in there with results. So, going in it with a completely blind POV, women are worse than men, because data shows that women don't get results in comparison to men. Why? I don't know. Is there a reason? Perhaps. Do I know the answers to those questions? God no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation If you don't know something, you don't have to speak on it. Nobody's forcing you to give your opinion on whether men or women are better at Starcraft. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 28 2013 05:58 Simsallabin wrote: What do you mean by uneducated opinion? I didn't ask you to comment on my post so why did you? Seems strange you do things just as you feel like it and that can't be OK since you so angry when others do so. If you read the last few pages it's been talk about female only tournaments so I put my opinion and will keep doing so even if you get upset like a Twilight fangirl. Thing is though you are posting on a public forum you don't need to ask for people to give their opinion, this thread is not about female only tournaments. It is about Scarlett taking a break from sc2 , so calm your tits. | ||
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Simsallabin
Nepal216 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:08 yeastiality wrote: It's not ad hominem if there's no argument to attack. I'm just calling it like it is: everyone hating on Scarlett is a pathetic attention whore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation Why so angry, it is because no more new Twilight movies? I don't see haters I see people talking about something that is relevant in the year 2013. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:08 Shalaiyn wrote: Look at all tournaments. There isn't a single woman (again, I'm ignoring Scarlett because I don't want to poke that bear) in there with results. So, going in it with a completely blind POV, women are worse than men, because data shows that women don't get results in comparison to men. Why? I don't know. Is there a reason? Perhaps. Do I know the answers to those questions? God no. Quick addition: I haven't performed a study on this, nor am I an expert on gender differential neurology, so I won't presume that I know what causes a gender-bias in eSports, but it is evident by looking at tournaments in any game, that men dominate it. Still this opinion is rather sexist and doesn't belong on this forum , no one needs to see this . You can say that you are not an expert and feign ignorance on it but the truth is there is no need for this discussion especially in this thread. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:14 Simsallabin wrote: Why so angry, it is because no more new Twilight movies? I don't see haters I see people talking about something that is relevant in the year 2013. Why so snide? Seriously man if you want to discuss this take it out of this thread and start your own . | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: some of the testerone suppression drugs are banned substances by the IIHF. saying its a "slam dunk" that Scarlett would be eligible for NCAA women's hockey is incorrect. furthermore, where is the 1 year of documentation on the hormone suppression therapy undergone by Scarlett?,.. and the testing results. Who is paying for that ? you? It'd be a long drawn out administrative process which might still result in Scarlett's exclusion from NCAA Women's hockey. Why are you arguing this so hard ? The point still stands that a trans woman or man that really want to can participate in this. | ||
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