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This thread is not for discussion about which tournaments Scarlett is allowed to play in or not. Moderation regarding such in this thread will be less lenient from now on. -semioldguy (p.22)
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 25 2013 01:21 GMT
#361
On April 25 2013 05:02 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 03:47 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On April 25 2013 03:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 25 2013 02:57 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On April 25 2013 02:54 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 25 2013 02:38 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:37 gobbledydook wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:00 Douillos wrote:
On April 24 2013 16:05 Befree wrote:
I feel bad doing this, I know I shouldn't play into this, I know I should stay on topic and this is probably against the rules, I know it's none of our business, but when I read some of these ignorant comments I feel an obligation to reply.

First, her trans status is none of your business, has no effect on you, and shouldn't need to disclosed to you nor explained to you.

Second, you have completely outdated ideas of sex and gender. You first off latch onto your false characteristics of what defines each sex, none of which actually do clearly define sex as science has come to discover. Then you act as if these false characteristics are also what define gender for you, even though likely 99.99% of your evaluations of someone's gender throughout your life were not based on attributes like testosterone/estrogen levels, chromosomes, genitalia, or reproductive systems.

Third, and I believe this is most important here, you have no idea what being trans even is. You think it's someone who decides they want to be the other sex, and so they pretend and everyone plays along. That is NOT at all the case.

In the womb, the fetal brain is pushed towards a male gender through the action of testosterone on nerve cells, or towards female by the absence of this testosterone. This is the process that develops our gender identity in our brain and it occurs during the second half of pregnancy. But it's during the first two months of pregnancy that the sexual differentiation of the genitals occurs. Both these processes can be influenced independently and in some extreme cases can result in trans-sexuality. The degree of the masculinization of the genitals does not necessarily reflect the masculinization of the brain. There's no indication that the social environment after birth affects gender identity (*). There are studies (**) that compare the female brain to a male-to-female trans woman's brain and they also show the same thing that the male-to-female trans brain is structurally similar to the genetically female brain.

They are essentially a brain with a mismatched body. This incongruence can be very disruptive to a their life and make them feel horrible because they never feel right in their gender identity and their body. These extreme cases of gender dysphoria have been found to be treated best by sex reassignment therapy and hormone therapy. It is not meant to be cosmetic, elective, or optional in any meaningful way (***).

After two years of hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment therapy, a male-to-female trans woman is essentially physically female. In 2003, the International Olympic Committee Medical Commission even recommended for sport that all male-to-female trans women be regarded as female for competition as there was no meaningful physical difference after sex reassignment and two years of HRT.

For our particular case of Scarlett, she was born partially female, the more meaningful and important part, the brain. And now also has essentially a female body. It is NOT political correctness to call her female, it is not polite, it is not for the sake of making her feel good, it is simply the truth. She is female. You can be rude and hateful and refer to trans people by their gender they don't identify as, but you're only making a fool of yourself because you're wrong. And science has explained exactly why you are wrong. So instead of trying to push your ignorant, emotion-based, unscientific line of reasoning, how about you just shut the fuck up and take a moment to actually educate yourself on the matter before blurting out such stupidity.

Here's what I cited:
(*) Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35
(**) Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.
and
Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041
(***) http://www.wpath.org/documents2/socv6.pdf
(****) http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_905.pdf


-----

I recognize it is bad to derail a thread with a comment like this, and maybe it's a warning or ban, but I just cannot stand reading these completely ignorant comments from people who think they know what they're talking about. There is so much ignorance on transgender people and so much transphobia everywhere that I feel it is necessary to respond to this ignorance with the truth. Because I really don't think the vast majority of people have any idea of the science or facts around it. I do apologize, though, to Scarlett, for continuing the conversation on her transgender status which I do not feel is any of our business. It would probably be more appropriate in a transgender topic than her injury announcement thread, but I only mean to help and educate others.

----

I'm sorry to hear about Scarlett's injury. I've been a big fan since I remember first seeing her play at that MLG. We'll just have to be rooting extra hard for her in the WCS now then. Hopefully her break falls on the shorter side of the 2-6 month estimation, that's a really long time .


Faith in TL'ers restored.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All the best Scarlett your doing great in Korea, hope the injuries aren"t too bad and that your pause won't be too long!


LYNCH HIM


but seriously, it should not be TL's business as to what Scarlett's sexual status is.
Starcraft ability, game ethics and personality are all legitimate avenues of criticism of a player, but personal issues certainly aren't.


The problem is that some people believe(legitimately) that she gained fame mainly by being a female player, and eventhough some players had better results than her in IPL4(went far in the open bracket, beating some koreans), they haven't been as recognized as Scarlett.

So no, your argument is invald.


And here I thought it was because she got 1st in Canada, 1st in US, beat MVP in proleague, was part of the nerchio/scarlett duo pre-MMA, etc...

What? You don't follow the scene, do you?
Everybody started following her because of her IPL4 run, eventhough some players had better results(foreign players in the open bracket)...Yeah she got 1st US, but Suppy went the furthest in WCS global finals(and nobody seem to remember him)... as for beating MVP, MVP is in code B...


IPL got her name on the map--but no one really talked *that* much about her until she won what should have been Huk's easy win trophy. And when she outdid both Idra and Vibe in the WCS North American finals it suddenly became clear that she was the best player in the North American scene and because of that I got fucking hyped for her as well as a lot of other people.

You definitely weren't around...when she beat Terious and Demuslim people were fapping on her results and because she was a girl when Illusion did much better...this is why i kinda understand the hate and the talk about her sex. If she was a woman, she'd be exactly like Illusion, Vibe or Lucifron. It didn't help her case that she had many fans despite a patchzzery play when other europeans were hated for it.


An unknown player (people knew about illusion) got put on the big screen and did well. She then proceeded to do really well. She then proceeded to win WCS Canada, WCS North America and was a heavy hitter with Nerchio in team Acer. She spread creep like a Korean and was aggressive and moved around the map.

illusion almost doing well and then falling short was a regular enough occurrence. new player doing well was ripe with possibility. And when she delivered is when her popularity surged.


I don't think there is much debate ... she's the best player to come out of North America right now.
Felvo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States124 Posts
April 25 2013 01:24 GMT
#362
D: poor Scarlett. I hope she recovers fast so we can see more foreigners doing well :D Maybe she can get revenge on Yoda when she returns! I wonder what she'll do about WCS though...):
Ajukrejzi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden34 Posts
April 25 2013 04:11 GMT
#363
Good luck with ur wrists!
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 05:18 GMT
#364
will you stick around to shoutcraft?!
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 25 2013 15:32 GMT
#365
On April 25 2013 10:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of Scarlett (nothing to do with her being transgender, as I can kind of see where this thread has been going) but I do hope she has a speedy recovery. She is (indisputably) one of the best foreigners. I believe she won WCS Canada without dropping a map? and won WCS NA only losing one map to TheOgnis.

One thing I am wondering though, she is planning on finishing her participation in WCS NA according to the OP. If she does well (which is fairly likely) she could still be playing for a month or more. Hopefully her wrists can stand up to the practice she will need for that, or perhaps she assumes because of her bad wrist condition that she will get eliminated early.


"I'll just play one more game and I'll rest my wrist.... WCS Championship title later... Okay I'll rest my wrist" LIKE A BOSS!
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Cal`Sky
Profile Joined March 2013
United States8 Posts
April 26 2013 02:25 GMT
#366
noooo ;(( hope she returns within the lower end of the 2-6 month time frame ;/
Ryung: "I hope Miya wins at least one game by the time the season ends"
justsayinbro
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
307 Posts
April 26 2013 02:32 GMT
#367
damn wrist injury in eSports is like an ACL injury in popular sports...
I honestly think its all the spamming that causes carpal tunnel or whatever.
maybe pros should "chill out" during practice and apm spam a lil less lol

get well soon scarlett!
Franberra
Profile Joined September 2011
12 Posts
April 26 2013 03:53 GMT
#368
Dayum shame

Really feels like she is the only foreigner with credible korean-slaying capability right now. I'll chime in with the others about a speedy and full recovery.
CloudMage
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada221 Posts
April 26 2013 09:09 GMT
#369
What?! how did i not see this post until now! damn! hope she recovers quick!
HuK <3 WhiteRa <3 Grubby <3 TLO <3 Day[9] <3
Empedocles
Profile Joined April 2013
United States47 Posts
April 26 2013 13:53 GMT
#370
feel better and come back soon!!

Scarlett is a great player imo :D
"The tide hastens for no man."
askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
April 26 2013 14:08 GMT
#371
On April 25 2013 14:18 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
will you stick around to shoutcraft?!

she is not able to participate
iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
April 26 2013 14:12 GMT
#372
I always hoped HuK would have a good shot to retain #1 for Canada, now that time has come. Not that I hate Scarlett or anything, I just like HuK more.. I remember the MLG run, the code S runs, oh my god.. those were good times.

I guess feel better Sasha, but I will be cheering for Chris to dethrone you, sorry.
Nine to Five? Or, Five to Nine?
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:15:00
April 26 2013 15:14 GMT
#373
On April 26 2013 23:12 iMOOrtal wrote:
I always hoped HuK would have a good shot to retain #1 for Canada, now that time has come. Not that I hate Scarlett or anything, I just like HuK more.. I remember the MLG run, the code S runs, oh my god.. those were good times.

I guess feel better Sasha, but I will be cheering for Chris to dethrone you, sorry.


He'll need it. No disrespect to Huk, he's an old school veteran and a great player, but Scarlett pretty much beat him like a rented mule every time they've played.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
April 26 2013 19:12 GMT
#374
On April 23 2013 14:03 DeathDyingDoomKiller wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOW THE CANADIANS HAVE TO RELY ON HUK!!!!!!!!! WHAT WILL WE DOOOOOOOO!?!?!??!?

Looks like winning Dreamhack is what you guys will do.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 27 2013 15:50 GMT
#375
On April 26 2013 23:08 askmc70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 14:18 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
will you stick around to shoutcraft?!

she is not able to participate


Not true. If she has an NA smurf (that SHE owns or has played the majority of games on) that is in GM that she can rank up, then she can play.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
April 27 2013 16:11 GMT
#376
On April 28 2013 00:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 23:08 askmc70 wrote:
On April 25 2013 14:18 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
will you stick around to shoutcraft?!

she is not able to participate


Not true. If she has an NA smurf (that SHE owns or has played the majority of games on) that is in GM that she can rank up, then she can play.

Hope she has one, would bring a ton of viewers and a big fan favorite to the tournament.
Mefano
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden190 Posts
April 27 2013 16:17 GMT
#377
On April 27 2013 04:12 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 14:03 DeathDyingDoomKiller wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOW THE CANADIANS HAVE TO RELY ON HUK!!!!!!!!! WHAT WILL WE DOOOOOOOO!?!?!??!?

Looks like winning Dreamhack is what you guys will do.


Guess not. :-)

Hope you recover fast Scarlett!
Yo
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 20:47:14
April 27 2013 18:02 GMT
#378
hope she recovers fast. her performance was certainly impressive.

i agree, when people still adress her as a male thats disrespectful and mods rightfully punish that. however, i can only hope this doesnt mean people are moreover not allowed to discuss about how transgender status in general may or may not affect performance, moreover, if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc? because that heavy censorship indeed would be worrysome to say the least. even though i guess this is not the right thread to do so
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 18:31:45
April 27 2013 18:21 GMT
#379
On April 28 2013 03:02 whoso wrote:
if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc?

It's not, but SC2 community has to be politically correct and accept this in the name of blind love for minorances. Scarlett has the brain of a man, which is different from the brain of a woman, and so far results-wise has been proven to be way more efficient to play Starcraft. That means that if we want to be truly fair she shouldn't compete in tournaments where only girls are allowed like she did so far. As much as she deserves respect as anyone else for which gender she identifies with it's not right that she participated in several female only tournaments.
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RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
April 27 2013 19:22 GMT
#380
On April 28 2013 03:21 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 03:02 whoso wrote:
if its fair when transgender players take part in female only tourneys etc?

It's not, but SC2 community has to be politically correct and accept this in the name of blind love for minorances. Scarlett has the brain of a man, which is different from the brain of a woman, and so far results-wise has been proven to be way more efficient to play Starcraft. That means that if we want to be truly fair she shouldn't compete in tournaments where only girls are allowed like she did so far. As much as she deserves respect as anyone else for which gender she identifies with it's not right that she participated in several female only tournaments.
Mindblowing ignorance being spewed from aTnCloud. Who would have thunk it?
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