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On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views?
because they were told to hold a fucking OPEN QUALIFIER by blizzard. fair chances for everyone.
if MLG wants to be racist their rights to hold this event should be revoked. simple.
but you guessed right: MLG is all about the money.
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He gets it?.. Again? Well.. it's already too late, the event is ruined for lots of people who wanted to participate. Writing a half assed apology that took 5 minutes doesn't help the people that got shafted at all.
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On April 23 2013 21:27 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views? because they were told to hold a fucking OPEN QUALIFIER by blizzard. fair chances for everyone. if MLG wants to be racist their rights to hold this event should be revoked. simple. but you guessed right: MLG is all about the money.
That is the only way the game can survive in the long term. At some point the tournaments have to at least break even. Perhaps they do now with Blizzard financing the prizes.
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On April 23 2013 21:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:27 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views? because they were told to hold a fucking OPEN QUALIFIER by blizzard. fair chances for everyone. if MLG wants to be racist their rights to hold this event should be revoked. simple. but you guessed right: MLG is all about the money. That is the only way the game can survive in the long term. At some point the tournaments have to at least break even.
this is WCS funded by BLIZZARD.
stop talking bullshit already...
edit: nice edit... haha. now your post contradicts itself.
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"The StarCraft II WCS will give eSports fans an exciting, globe-circling story to follow throughout the year"
I guess they were right, I just didn't realize how much popcorn I'd need.
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On April 23 2013 21:26 Dracid wrote:
Regardless of how remote your chances of qualifying were, the fact that your chance at qualification was ruined due to organizational incompetence more or less invalidates the tournament.
This!
The future WCS-NA champion is not a champion at all. That a tournament uses the word "championship" doesnt mean it is one.. this WCS-NA is a farce.
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On April 23 2013 21:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:27 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views? because they were told to hold a fucking OPEN QUALIFIER by blizzard. fair chances for everyone. if MLG wants to be racist their rights to hold this event should be revoked. simple. but you guessed right: MLG is all about the money. That is the only way the game can survive in the long term. At some point the tournaments have to at least break even. Perhaps they do now with Blizzard financing the prizes.
Why dont you reply to my post why its void? Not a single post I wrote is unreasonable blind bashing. I put time and effort in all of them and anyone who wanted to improve their quality or read honest criticism could, but since you called me out you chose to ignore me
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On April 23 2013 21:35 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:31 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views? because they were told to hold a fucking OPEN QUALIFIER by blizzard. fair chances for everyone. if MLG wants to be racist their rights to hold this event should be revoked. simple. but you guessed right: MLG is all about the money. That is the only way the game can survive in the long term. At some point the tournaments have to at least break even. Perhaps they do now with Blizzard financing the prizes. Why dont you reply to my post why its void? Not a single post I wrote is unreasonable blind bashing. I put time and effort in all of them and anyone who wanted to improve their quality or read honest criticism could, but since you called me out you chose to ignore me
I don't agree with what you said, but I admit you aren't anywhere near what I consider the problem. Your initial post was the catalyst for mine, but it wasn't targeted at you per se. I don't think arguing the topic of invalidity is going to lead anywhere useful.
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On April 23 2013 07:08 Talack wrote:
Apologies are good and all, what is being done to fix this situation now?
I don't think they're able to "fix" anything now for the Chinese players, nor for the Australians or anything else they've done wrong.
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I smell pitchforks here too...gotta go, bye
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To everyone arguing please, stop it if you are half informed or have no idea what the hell is going on. It is so tiring to see posts over and over arguing without knowing what actually happened and just putting in their speculations/imaginary ideas in their arguments. Its not that hard to find what went down. There are two threads.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408859
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408973
You can't deny the fact that MLG damaged the integrity of WCS competition in various ways and a statement saying oh oops we won't let it happen again doesn't cut it. They have to offer some compensation to those that were affected. That is what the community wants. We are not asking MLG to throw a bone for us. It has nothing to do with Sundance's tweet about community asking for more. That is not the issue here. People are unhappy not because MLG screwed us over. Its the fact that they ruined the integrity of the tournament and many people who had a chance were left out because of stupid shit like 512 player limit(no fucking excuse when EU quali had thousand(s) over on all days), hacker(this I can forgive its not easy to tell), HyuN, misinformation by admin telling people they are in the tournament but were actually not. Stuff like that.
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If people didn't complain about the entry fee, maybe we could have had less problems... I'm not defending Sundance, I believe MLG handled the situation poorly, but I think Blizzard is to blame too for not being transparent with rules and for rushing this whole thing.
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Nice "get off my back" apology. TLDR: Hey guys we know we did something wrong, but we don't give a damn about fixing it, c ya.
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On April 23 2013 07:11 bogderpirat wrote:
yeah, this is not enough. i want to see someone get fired over this, the level of disappointment is just too big.
lol, you want someone to get fired for this? Spiteful much?
[edit] Not sure why anyone who was pro-esports would want an esports organization to downsize.
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On April 23 2013 22:49 yotis wrote:
Nice "get off my back" apology. TLDR: Hey guys we know we did something wrong, but we don't give a damn about fixing it, c ya.
lol joke tournament
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On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views?
Don't pretend like you have a lot of knowledge about the Chinese market and community, your statement directly insulted me as a Chinese Starcraft player and spectator.
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On April 23 2013 22:58 Butterednuts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:11 bogderpirat wrote:
yeah, this is not enough. i want to see someone get fired over this, the level of disappointment is just too big. lol, you want someone to get fired for this? Spiteful much? [edit] Not sure why anyone who was pro-esports would want an esports organization to downsize.
because others, namely NASL, would take their place and do a better job?
On April 23 2013 23:14 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:19 syllogism wrote:
Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views? Don't pretend like you have a lot of knowledge about the Chinese market and community, your statement directly insulted me as a Chinese Starcraft player and spectator.
his statement was just plain racist. even worth he tried to explain the racism with money. haha.
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I actually didnt hear about this until recently but it sounds abysmal. Why didn't let more chinese players participate? No offense to anyone but I think someone like IG.Xy is much better than at least 1/3 of the random players in the bracket. And then they DQ-ed Comm? it looks just like bullying at this point.
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I was under the impression the chinese players didn't play the qualifers because they checked in later than others.
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