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In my opinion, this "apology" is more tailored towards damage containment than anything else. Be vague enough about the mistakes so as to not inform those who are clueless about it until now. Provide an e-mail address to keep complaints private, rather than encouraging public debate.
What's worst, after the dissapointments of this weekend's tournament, when Sundance writes "I assure you that we are making every effort to rectify this for all future WCS America operations.", I take it as a threat rather than a promise.,, Even though I can see the potential benefits of attempts to unify the tournament scene, it cannot be intended that the rules of fairplay and chances for participation are put at the mercy of a single - demonstrably incompetent! - organizer. Why is it already a given that "all future WCS America operations" are run by MLG, no matter how much they screw up?
To use an overly dramatic analogy, right now the whole situation feels as if MLG is holding WCS hostage.
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Didn't he tweet that he was going to "fix" this. In my opinion this is not a situation in which you just apologize.
What I would like to know is how do they come to certain decisions. For example how did they end up with the 'first come, first in, even if you're a bronze leaguer' format. What made them think that was the best way? And from the apology I get they expected 512 to be sufficient number, what kind of research resulted in that? I just don't believe someone would honestly, genuinely believe 512 is enough, I don't buy that.
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On April 23 2013 17:58 BossGL wrote:
Its ok Sundance. We still love you!
i dont, thats no right apology thats just "sry but we cant do shit"
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On April 23 2013 07:10 Kazuki wrote:
They could've known how many sign-ups there would be just by looking at how it went for WCS EU.
I am not eevn sure if they actually KNOW WHERE Europe is...Maybe they think is not far from Mexico...There were 4 rounds in the EU Q with almost 1k players each of them.The mlg production jut hasnt seen anything of this.I thought AM will stream much better and with more players than EU,because AM is the country of SC and is much bigger than EU,but...so sad.Only 512 players and they DID NOT EXPECT SOO MANY?? Its just crazy.They have no idea whats going on in the SC scene and DO NOT DESERVE to organize any SC2 event for the rest of their lifes.Blizzard made big mistake choosing them.NASL would be much better.I dont want to remember those caster calling Drunkeboi "Junleboy"...Really sad and a shame for AM.
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On April 23 2013 19:48 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 18:57 digmouse wrote:
Collecting Chinese netizen and Starcraft community reactions about the whole WCS NA qualifier and "apology", prepare for some serious shitstorm dudes. Lol isn't it basically the same stuff as what we have here? 
Yea you beat me to it :p
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On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X
What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene.
"Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay.
He is in no position to demand amends after his blatant disregard for the rules of the tournament.
The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. The community does not reward good decisions and punishes bad ones
Why should Blizzard invest/throw money at the game at all when all it results in is people flooding the community sites with complaints? Without blizzard's investment there would be no GSL, but no one cares.
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I get that the format is built around everyone having a chance, but if you're only going to have 512 slots, at least give them to master players or above, that actually has a chance later on.
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I feel the qualified players and teams should make a united stand here, go on strike until they replay the whole qualifier. What if this happened to EG or Axiom players...
Where are the pro's and teams... why arent they making a public stand against this shit, greedy Mofo's. The champion of WCS-NA will be fake champion if qualifiers dont get replayed. WCS-NA is a hoax and the title says nothing else then embarasment.
A fake NA-championship.. be ashamed if u win it.
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On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it.
there was a list with every complaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care.
so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES.
childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality.
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On April 23 2013 19:15 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 18:48 StatixEx wrote:
lot of negativity here, of course it shouldnt happen but this is a new venture and format for everyone. Even if it was smoothly done there are always calls for improvement and somebody somewhere doesnt like it. I personally feel the wcs has been rushed forward on everyones part creating the messier parts. esport gaming and sc2 this is a massive scene, we all know it and always i feel its underestimated how passionate we get over a game tournament and the game itslelf, this is the definition of hardcore gamers. We as the community though need to uphold our end of the bargain. Support. Lets just say a lot of the organisation for the most part went bad, (personally ive really enjoyed the coverage so far, its not affected me like its effective other people) so we need to just be a little more understanding. mlg is the forefornt of this business and they will get it right, just like blizzard are getting it right in the continuing support for their game and their fans and TRYING to create a little more for us all.
what if everyone just stopped trying? What would we say then. It would be up to independants to run if something like this could be run from scratch. Please people, lets just be a bit more supportive. Do you simply ignore how terrible it went or do you really don't realize? As pointed out multiple times. Technical difficulties, stream delay, bad casting, communication problems, bad calls on rematch situations... etc pp is all very understandable even if it sucks and an apology really solves most those things if you correct it the next time. Screwing a players career and simply put lie in your apology, really? Allowing hackers in your tournament, limit your tournament and disqualify players being in the (very last round) of the tournament. They completely made their qualifier void. The only reason it cannot be re-run is, because it would be unfair towards the people that qualified fair and square in that mess and I even dare to say, with the chinese players participating we could have potentially seen upsets and different qualificants. Keep defending MLG and say we should stick together, but those two things do stand in contrary to each other. We as a community should not and cannot accept that qualifier/the quality and especially the aftermath/apology. MLG deserves the shitstorm it gets and to be fair, they are getting away easy right now. Blizzard should step in.
I support you on this whole heartly. And unlike what syllogism says, I paid hundreds on dollars on the scene, in the form on subscription. I pulled mine off MLG twitch yesterday.
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On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality.
This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all (most disrespectful manner possible?) and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now?
I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term.
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On April 23 2013 20:29 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now? I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term.
i'd say the same thing about you.
the points i made are all out there: hyun playing and eliminating players, hackers playing and eliminating players, a DQ Comm eliminating players. pro gamers not even able to participate due to 512 player cap.
this is a fucking mess of a qualifier and it's results are totally VOID. naruto explained this way better then me. you could have read it yourself.
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Sometime it looks like people and organizations just don't think or plan ahead, they will go with the flow and see the result, if they screw it up, they will just "apologize" and move on. Meanwhile progamers miss a chance to make a name for themselves.
I don't understand why make a single 512 player bracket when EU had 4x1024 brackets just a few days before them. Why not let other streamers in the games? EU had like 10-15+ streams daily.
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On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. He is in no position to demand amends after his blatant disregard for the rules of the tournament. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. The community does not reward good decisions and punishes bad ones Why should Blizzard invest/throw money at the game at all when all it results in is people flooding the community sites with complaints? Without blizzard's investment there would be no GSL, but no one cares.
Do you feel my posts are nothing but rants and blind rage? Do you think I didn't put time or thought into them? Do you feel I blindly insult MLG?
If we disagree there, I don't see a point in going into a discussion with you.
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On April 23 2013 17:33 fleeze wrote:
more interesting then the apology itself are the topics sundance doesn't even mention:
1) no word on letting hyun play thus corrupting the brackets. why? well, it would make them look really bad if they can't even check if the registered players are already in Code S or not. says a lot about their own planning and explains why they let hackers play. they didn't check players AT ALL. plain and simple.
2) no apology to the chinese players where his admins fucked up BIG time. as proven by the screenshots.
3) no reasoning to disqualify Comm just before his FINAL MATCH. resulting in even further corrupted brackets and invalidating the whole qualifier. not even an apology here.
4) no word on why an OPEN qualifier is limited to 512 players. and how they even came to the totally stupid conclussion that 512 players would be enough. some basic research shows that the 4th (!!!) qualifier for EU had a 2048 bracket. maybe there was no research?
apologizing is great if you don't even talk about your major fuck ups.
I think this pretty much nails it.
The only way sundance will ever even TRY to understand all the concerns is if there is a HUGE wave of cancellations of gold member subscriptions after whis weekend.
I sincerely hope that this will be the case!
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On April 23 2013 20:26 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 19:15 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 18:48 StatixEx wrote:
lot of negativity here, of course it shouldnt happen but this is a new venture and format for everyone. Even if it was smoothly done there are always calls for improvement and somebody somewhere doesnt like it. I personally feel the wcs has been rushed forward on everyones part creating the messier parts. esport gaming and sc2 this is a massive scene, we all know it and always i feel its underestimated how passionate we get over a game tournament and the game itslelf, this is the definition of hardcore gamers. We as the community though need to uphold our end of the bargain. Support. Lets just say a lot of the organisation for the most part went bad, (personally ive really enjoyed the coverage so far, its not affected me like its effective other people) so we need to just be a little more understanding. mlg is the forefornt of this business and they will get it right, just like blizzard are getting it right in the continuing support for their game and their fans and TRYING to create a little more for us all.
what if everyone just stopped trying? What would we say then. It would be up to independants to run if something like this could be run from scratch. Please people, lets just be a bit more supportive. Do you simply ignore how terrible it went or do you really don't realize? As pointed out multiple times. Technical difficulties, stream delay, bad casting, communication problems, bad calls on rematch situations... etc pp is all very understandable even if it sucks and an apology really solves most those things if you correct it the next time. Screwing a players career and simply put lie in your apology, really? Allowing hackers in your tournament, limit your tournament and disqualify players being in the (very last round) of the tournament. They completely made their qualifier void. The only reason it cannot be re-run is, because it would be unfair towards the people that qualified fair and square in that mess and I even dare to say, with the chinese players participating we could have potentially seen upsets and different qualificants. Keep defending MLG and say we should stick together, but those two things do stand in contrary to each other. We as a community should not and cannot accept that qualifier/the quality and especially the aftermath/apology. MLG deserves the shitstorm it gets and to be fair, they are getting away easy right now. Blizzard should step in. I support you on this whole heartly. And unlike what syllogism says, I paid hundreds on dollars on the scene, in the form on subscription. I pulled mine off MLG twitch yesterday.
Totally support to everything Naruto wrote.The AM Q are the worst semi-tournament I have ever seen in my life since I know SC2.Being held in NY I thought it would be much better than EU Q.We all were upset with the EU quality,but I never ever expect to something worse...till this weekend and the mlg "performance".
There are TOO Many OBVIOUS things to be forget in the apologize.
1.Only 512 players.Silly
2.No League restriction.Crazy
3.Signed people(chinese players) not allowed to play after confirmation via email
4.Hackers disq too late
5.Allow wrong players to play(Hyun)
6.The Comm-gate.Once again is mlgs fault,because he was forced to play given the spotless situation.
7.REALY BAD Brackets format in the mlg site.
8.Bad coverage in the Liquipedio,due to the mlg not allowing people to see results
9.Hiding final brackets and quilified players for two days...
10.The WORST casters I have ever seen.
11.ONLY ONE SIGLE STREAM.
12.Banning people in the mlg twitch chat because complaining and providing constructive feedback
13.Really BAD apologize.Just quit mlg,you do not deserve to organize any SC2 event anymore
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On April 23 2013 20:29 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all (most disrespectful manner possible?) and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now? I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term.
Quite simple, no? This is blizzards "Starcraft World Championship", and they are excluding a portion of the population (A really strong and hardworking part - The Chinese).
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On April 23 2013 20:39 Goolpsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all (most disrespectful manner possible?) and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now? I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term. Quite simple, no? This is blizzards "Starcraft World Championship", and they are excluding a portion of the population (A really strong and hardworking part - The Chinese).
The registration process/selection method was a disaster and should be improved in the future. This does not invalidate anything. The players who qualified deserved to qualify.
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Hopefully they do fix the soon to be code a qualifier (for season 2). And the challenger league for this season if it would need reworking who knows. I watch the WCS for free so I have no reason to complain and don't need an apology. I could care less about being spoiled. THey should probably apologize to the really good players who were not able to participate.
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