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On April 23 2013 11:45 robopork wrote:
So many haters oO
They fucked up and owned it. There's really nothing more you can ask, except maybe a gesture to pro's who got edged out by people who play like me (and logistically, that's just not possible).
But hey, if you've got the time and energy to hold a grudge, good for you. I sure don't.
What?
You mean passing the invalid qualifer along and saying "though luck" to anyone who was harmed is ok procedure in competition, more over its ok for the biggest tournament in sc2?
Until i hear anything about improving the current situation im dissapointed both in MLG and Blizzard.
Maybe Blizzard simply does not care about legitimacy of their own tournament.
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On April 23 2013 15:50 TAMinator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 14:45 Abacus1 wrote:
This is just the initial apology. I would argue that they should be given at least a week to come back with potential solutions before everyone throws their pitchforks. At least they've come out and said the problems are there and they're not just staying silent and pretending they didn't happen.
Give them the benefit of the doubt at first and then if they don't live up to it feel free to get your torches and pitchforks. As for now, I think the ball is in their court to offer up solutions to issues like the Chinese player's situations. Agreed. Too bad people on the interwebz will all too freely be way too entitled and expect immediate solutions "ermagerd apologies not good enough". Wait for a bit, if no suitable solutions are in place, then comment.
Still he could have said something about the real Problems and saying that they are working on a solution. With not saying one word about them, this apoligy is just a shame.
Edit: It just seems that they try to get away with minimum effort as possible, and only take action if they think they will loose too many viewers.
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On April 23 2013 15:11 umade wrote:
Asia has their own WCS qualifier.
I really don't see why they should be playing in the NA one, or the EU one.
There is no asian qualifier, there is a korean one. And players may play in any qualifier they choose, so the players that choose NA probably wants to play in that one. That is why, simple as that.
You could argue that there should be some rules in place to prevent players to play in different regions, but there isn't.
On topic: This apology is just empty words, people want solutions to the problems that they experienced. In fact, the only thing Sundance is saying is that the same mistakes wont happen in the future. So there probably will be no solutions for this qualifier. Sucks for the players involved, I'd say.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God.
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On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God.
I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief.
Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Well i bet that email inbox is full.....
Doesn't do anything for the players who didn't get to enter fullstop though >.<
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At this point MLG doesn't simply get to say "oops we messed up and will try better next time" because they have been saying this about some event they have been running it seems like at least once or twice a year. Of the 3 organizations running the regional WCS events I believe MLG is the most experienced of them all at running tournaments and yet somehow they are the ones that continually seem to misstep over and over again (this pertains to overall and not just WCS).
I remember in the feedback thread how someone (sorry I don't remember who) said that Sundance would probably soon be issuing an apology and going mistakes were made and we will try and do better next time. The fact that his apology pitch is that well known should probably be a red flag but at this point someone has to tell me what MLG has shown to demonstrate they even deserve to host WCS NA season 2. A lot of these mistakes are understandable but most of them are things that a veteran tournament organization should have seen coming or at least attempted to rectify in less of a slapstick way.
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On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X
Some people swallow everything they see and read at face value unwilling (or incapable?) of thinking even one step further on their own. Hacking/cheating accussations are more then enough proof of this behavior in people, not suprising that this "apology" is treated any different by these people.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X
Naruto, I'm one to never arm my pitchfork, even in the threads which clearly call for it, sure it was a complete shitfest but that obviously wasn't their intention, I'd much rather we just move on to the next event and making sure this never happens again.
On April 23 2013 16:40 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X Some people swallow everything they see and read at face value unwilling (or incapable?) of thinking even one step further on their own. Hacking/cheating accussations are more then enough proof of this behavior in people, not suprising that this "apology" is treated any different by these people.
Passive aggressive much? :/
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On April 23 2013 16:38 Adreme wrote:
At this point MLG doesn't simply get to say "oops we messed up and will try better next time" because they have been saying this about some event they have been running it seems like at least once or twice a year. Of the 3 organizations running the regional WCS events I believe MLG is the most experienced of them all at running tournaments and yet somehow they are the ones that continually seem to misstep over and over again (this pertains to overall and not just WCS).
I remember in the feedback thread how someone (sorry I don't remember who) said that Sundance would probably soon be issuing an apology and going mistakes were made and we will try and do better next time. The fact that his apology pitch is that well known should probably be a red flag but at this point someone has to tell me what MLG has shown to demonstrate they even deserve to host WCS NA season 2. A lot of these mistakes are understandable but most of them are things that a veteran tournament organization should have seen coming or at least attempted to rectify in less of a slapstick way.
ESL more experienced in hosting tournaments. Also longer around and did a better job, but you are right. MLG doesn't get to say sorry we messed up and we'll do it better next time. I am very well aware of my bashing now, but I feel its deserved. I was supporting MLG even when it wasn't running smooth - why?
I can perfectly relate to technical difficulties, delayed schedule and all of that stuff. It happens and it can happen to anyone. I am IT specialist myself and I do cast and did organize smaller tournaments in the past, so I am well aware that on a bigger scale, bigger hickups and fuckups can and will happen. I am not bashing anyone for those things that happen, but I am and I will continue to be vocal about a major screwup that screwed the players to begin with and a big fuck you towards the community in a meaningless apolozy towards the people that you base your business on.
I am thankful that there are organizations that take the risk and invest into a scene which isn't guaranteed to get you your moneys worth in the start, but MLG did a good job and did raise a good model / company behind it. They can stand their ground and they do good in it, but when you see their posts and tweets from Sundance, I am in utter disbelief anyone would want to support them.
He is not just being sarcastic and harsh, but nothing short of disrespectful towards us. While I can understand all anger that may happen when you get undeserved bashing and people being unthankful of everything you do, you better swallow your goddamn pride when you are the actual reason and its actually no ones but your fault that you messed up.
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I guess half an appoligy is better then non ? After reading Sundance twitter i highly doubt his senserity on this matter, not to mention it does not even include the major fuck ups.
I just hope lessons were learned during this, and that later this year we will be seeing qualifiers "fair" to all. And hopefully some more streams.
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Somehow, this is incoherent with his recent tweets...
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On April 23 2013 15:11 umade wrote:
Asia has their own WCS qualifier.
I really don't see why they should be playing in the NA one, or the EU one.
source?
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i did not watch mlg yesterday and im not going to for long while. MLG is broken and if i see cast from replay again ill jump out of the freakin window. I do like the format of 3 gsl's.. if 1 region fucks progaming up for alot of people, u can boycot them and i am certainly doing that for a very long period!
All hail wcs eu &kr.
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More popular than they expected? Really helping the sc2 community grow gj
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 23 2013 17:04 OopsOopsBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 15:11 umade wrote:
Asia has their own WCS qualifier.
I really don't see why they should be playing in the NA one, or the EU one. source?
Asia has WCS Korea. The poster you're quoting, however, does not seem to understand how insanely difficult WCS Korea is, or the fact that it is played out offline which makes it much less practical.
On-topic: I like MLG, and I've always loved their tournaments, but this is a bit too much to swallow right now. I hope a solution is offered for the very good Chinese players who were fucked over by the decisions made by MLG. An apology won't cut it for me - but then again, I'm not the one who was hurt - it's up to Comm and the other Chinese players to either accept MLG's apology or not, because I sure as heck hope they were offered one.
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I can only imagine that the usergroup of their MLG-site is quite different to the one on TL. There is nothing wrong with the apology itself and that's what gets the positive replies on the MLG-site/Facebook. What is criticised on TL is, that there is no information about how he plans to correct the mistakes and that some mistakes are not listed in the apology. How detailed the MLG-users even know about all the problems around the chinese players e.g. I don't know, but I guess not much.
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On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X
Well I think you've got that wrong, since there will be 3 seasons for this year and 4 in the following years, so they will have as many qualifiers as there are seasons + they are allowed one region change per year (or just 2013, correct me if I'm wrong on this one).
While I can understand your anger and agree that the community infact is the foundation of this industry, polarizing and painting things black and white doesn't really help the cause in the long run, but is rather detrimental since if companies find it to hard to please the majority of their customers they might think of re-orientating, which might hurt us and eSports in a whole more.
All I just trying to say is that people should calm down and have a more rational argument on how to solve issues on a thorough basis.
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