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On April 23 2013 14:14 Holdenintherye wrote:
I don't understand why people are so upset with the apology. They seem to be saying that "it's just a blurb of empty words that doesn't change anything".
What else do people expect? The qualifiers are already done, there is nothing that can be done. We can only hope that MLG learns from this mistake and improves next time. The least Sundance could've done was to issue a formal apology for the fiasco, which he did.
And we all know that if he didn't issue an apology, people would be complaining that there was no apology -.-
Most people are upset about that he just doesnt said anything about the important failures, only about witholding scores. From every angle u look it just seems MLG wanted to make the most profit they could, so they cut corners with too few admins, no real backround to the WCS Regions, no real effort to put a fair Qualifier in place, letting people participate that should not be allowed (Hyun, Cheater), not respecting any regions WCS 2012 Top Finishers.
They could reastablish Comm and replay the last match against Apocalypse for this Qualifierspot, they "have to" give the screwed over Regions compensation in the Challengerleague (with getting them guaranteed Spots or moving them ahead some rounds in the Qualifier).
Everyone knew NA would be the biggest Scene for WCS, so no excuse for being surprised that so many people wanted to play at all. So MLG has to be held accountable to not be able to put the resources aside that would have been needed.
With the Blizz deal behind it seems they felt safe to just maximize their profit and dont care about the actual tournament itself.
There has to be some actions NOW! and not in 3-4 month, when they hope everyone forgot about it and they just proceed as if nothing happened.
Edit: Also MLG is not some new born organisation, they exist for some time and should have the experience to deal with something like that, that is why Blizzard took them as partners. Also they dont seem to communicate between WCS EU - WCS KR at all from the MLG side and just dont care and try to maximize profit in their own bubble of space.
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On April 23 2013 14:14 Holdenintherye wrote:
I don't understand why people are so upset with the apology.
I'm not upset with the apology, I'm upset with them fucking over players and viewers, and there's no reason to think they'll do better next time. The apology doesn't change that.
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On April 23 2013 14:27 Type|NarutO wrote:
Its great how I called his statement about the weekend not being perfect an insult towards the community. Not only did he question that but also said they will fix it. If that apology is all to come its not just an insult but a huge fuck you towards us.
Not viewing and supporting MLG as a whole is probably impossible and unfortunately would hurt esport more than watching it (I guess) but I would really wish that we stand up and stand together and show them they are only a business because of us, the community and they seem to not care enough.
That apology is insulting.
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This is just the initial apology. I would argue that they should be given at least a week to come back with potential solutions before everyone throws their pitchforks. At least they've come out and said the problems are there and they're not just staying silent and pretending they didn't happen.
Give them the benefit of the doubt at first and then if they don't live up to it feel free to get your torches and pitchforks. As for now, I think the ball is in their court to offer up solutions to issues like the Chinese player's situations.
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Insulting the scene with twitter than making an overall bland apology that doesn't adress half the issues and does not fix anything. Not gonna cut it.
I'll still support the casters / little guys working with or for MLG because they are great, but Sundance you can go suck my pylon.
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At least invite Comm to the 'invite only qualifier'..
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No matter how many times he's said it... he doesn't get it.
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On April 23 2013 07:17 Fnatic.SaSe wrote:
I did read this fast so I might have missed it but not a word about the Chinese? They are probably the hardest working players after Koreans. Let Comm play his match. Blizzard should approve this. At least the whole community probably does. The admin first asked Comm 'Did you play all the games?'. Why ask like that if they gonna DQ him anyway. He made it until 1 game away from qualifying. He obviously deserves the chance. Afaik there is always one rule saying pretty much ADMINS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. Right about time it gets used for a player trying to live his dreams imo. Really sucks hardcore for the other Chinese players who didn't get in aswell. It's totally unacceptable they couldn't compete. They live this game. It's hard for Chinese players to travel to other countries. This was a huge oppertunity for them. And not even a word about them. Disrespectful statement imo. Can't write anymore just discusted. Sorry
Apologizing simply isn't good enough in this case. Saying you'll do better in the future doesn't change the fact that you severely fucked up this qualifier, which has significant repercussions for the rest of the year. Nothing should be forgiven until they start offering actual solutions to the problems from this qualifier. An apology letter that fails to mention the biggest problems from this weekend is just insulting.
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Asia has their own WCS qualifier.
I really don't see why they should be playing in the NA one, or the EU one.
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A good first step. Everybody should lay down their pitchforks & chill.
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On April 23 2013 14:26 Deckkie wrote:
I kinda expected to read something about Comm.
I assume you mean the people Comm unfairly cheated out of a spot? Comm cheated and was then disqualified once he was identified. MLG did the absolute correct thing here (although Comm shouldn't have had any problem getting into the qualifiers in the first place as a 512 only player bracket is obviously moronic).
btw, I'm not sure why anybody was surprised that MLG bungled this so badly, they've done a pretty horrible job the first time around in everything they've tried so far. To their credit they do own it and work to improve, but it's obvious there's nobody at MLG that can actually think things through and plan thoroughly.
Hell, at this point MLG should release all their plans at the early planning stage and just post a poll on Team Liquid that says "Are we a pack of fuckwits?". The answer is usually going to be "Yes, this is obviously stupid", but at least they can find out before they actually have the event.
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On April 23 2013 15:11 umade wrote:
Asia has their own WCS qualifier.
I really don't see why they should be playing in the NA one, or the EU one.
'Asia' ? Korea has their own qualifier and you would have to be in Korea to participate in it. That, and the fact that not even Koreans want to take their chance at it.
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On April 23 2013 15:13 althaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 14:26 Deckkie wrote:
I kinda expected to read something about Comm. I assume you mean the people Comm unfairly cheated out of a spot? Comm cheated and was then disqualified once he was identified. MLG did the absolute correct thing here (although Comm shouldn't have had any problem getting into the qualifiers in the first place as a 512 only player bracket is obviously moronic). btw, I'm not sure why anybody was surprised that MLG bungled this so badly, they've done a pretty horrible job the first time around in everything they've tried so far. To their credit they do own it and work to improve, but it's obvious there's nobody at MLG that can actually think things through and plan thoroughly. Hell, at this point MLG should release all their plans at the early planning stage and just post a poll on Team Liquid that says "Are we a pack of fuckwits?". The answer is usually going to be "Yes, this is obviously stupid", but at least they can find out before they actually have the event.
Comm didn't cheat. The rule is not saying "BAN IF SMURF!!°!!!!!!!" He was not smurfing to begin with, and without a bad intention. As for my part I do believe that he played under his account and/or told the opponent he is Comm. Even if you want to follow the rules, you either immediately do it OR you fucking make the right decision and say , well fuck it! I fucked up that much, he's one round from qualifying .. it doesn't really change anything. Or for that matter, read SaSe's statement.
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For an apology titled "How we will improve," I was expecting to read how they would improve. Instead, it was filled with meaningless apologies and admittance of mistakes without any hint of rectification. It's just another PR crap with no real content.
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Pathetic corporate apology by Sundance. I do not understand how anyone take this serious after all what happened. As Naruto already said, this is a fuckin insult to the community as Sundance belittles the demands of the community and treats them as stupid little kids.
This apology should contain solution for the apparent problems and not just offer a disgusting "E-Mail" for complaints and improvement suggestions.
But i guess this is the american corporate approach of handling business and the community will already forget what had happened by next week.
I'm sure 2GD will have a blast tonight about this topic :D
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On April 23 2013 13:09 Ingenero wrote:
Jeez, everyone just needs to chill out. Yes MLG messed up, but at least I wasn't put to sleep by how horribly boring the production was, like in the WCS Europe qualifiers. Just because the NASL crew got their panties in a bunch because they weren't invited to the party doesn't mean everyone has to go crying to their mommy. This entire thing has been blown way out of proportion, but I guess that's what I should come to expect from the Starcraft community nowadays.
lol, WCS Europe was a million times better than this mess. ESL made some mistakes, but I thought it went okay considering the thousands of signups, it was rather exciting in my opinion, seeing who would run the gauntlet, would europe hold vs the Korean invaders etc. Was a very interesting qualifer.
This on the other hand...............
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Well I guess there´s always a next, like with all the times MLG fucked something up so far. In the end, the product counts, so when they get it right next season nobody will care for this screw-up, this apology, or anything else related.
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On April 23 2013 15:13 althaz wrote:
Comm cheated and was then disqualified once he was identified.
Comm didnt Cheat at all. I know u didnt mean he Cheat, but dont put it so it could be misunderstood. He played through a friends/students MLG-ID he knew, after trying to contact an admin in time but with not enough staff MLG just didnt respond or couldnt handle anything and just proceeded to put Diamond or lower into the bracket instead of a WCS Region Champion, so he resorted to the last thing he could to not get fucked for the whole Year. Also translation and information that MLG gave out seems to had problems, and cause in the WCS EU similiar case with Shuttle, he maybe thought it would be ok, he didnt tried to hide it.
Just again a problem that accured cause MLG didnt took the scale that WCS should have been into perspective and tried to make the most profit for themselves without getting the necessary manpower behind it.
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I was hoping for some more explanation on some of the major specific issues, seems like Sundance took the easy way out with this one.
Pretty shitty situation all around to be honest.
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On April 23 2013 14:45 Abacus1 wrote:
This is just the initial apology. I would argue that they should be given at least a week to come back with potential solutions before everyone throws their pitchforks. At least they've come out and said the problems are there and they're not just staying silent and pretending they didn't happen.
Give them the benefit of the doubt at first and then if they don't live up to it feel free to get your torches and pitchforks. As for now, I think the ball is in their court to offer up solutions to issues like the Chinese player's situations.
Agreed.
Too bad people on the interwebz will all too freely be way too entitled and expect immediate solutions "ermagerd apologies not good enough".
Wait for a bit, if no suitable solutions are in place, then comment.
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