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We are waiting for the actions, not this kind of PR statements talking something really big and bureaucratically.
It's over 24 hrs after the last match and it came out just a CEO's statement like this.
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On April 23 2013 11:28 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On April 23 2013 11:16 Acasta wrote:On April 23 2013 11:07 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The chinese incident is that Comm took over for FruitsBasket after round one and continued to play as FruitsBasket, then got DQ'd 1 round from qualifying? Everyone is in agreement that comm should have DQ'd, but sooner right? How did they figure out it was Comm in the first place? Could they have even found out sooner? If not what should the penalty have been because having a pro take over all push your account through a major tourney is pretty messed up. It screws up the integrity of the tournament from such a late DQ due to Zero tolerance for pro mercenary type work, but shouldnt people be pissed at Comm for doing this?
Comm not getting in over a bronzie sucks, but how are his actions even justifiable? If I can't play, I'll pretend to be someone who can? Even if the rules were not precisely translated too him, this seems like a pretty basic "dont do it" concept.
Or do people think MLG should have just let it slide and just ignore it? It would have to be obvious eventually since instead of Fruits Basket showing up to the live matches, Comm would. No one would have been surprised.... He was open about it from the beginning that he was Comm. DQing him in the last possible round although they had a flexible rule, especially with that backstory, was just the worst possible decision. Fruits Basket played the first round I thought then handed it off to Comm afterwards. IF it was Comm playing the whole time, thats one thing, but 2 different people playing 1 account in a tournament is shady just in principle. Thats not how it went down, Comm played every game, just under his friends (MLG) account, he was open about it right from the start
I wish people would stop saying this. He was not open from the start.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=101#2001
Hell, even in his post that was translated he said that Fruitsbasket wanted to keep it a secret.
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On April 23 2013 11:29 Holdenintherye wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:27 mordk wrote:
Wait why is this becoming a Blizzard hating thread now? Blizzard trusted MLG with their project, they did it the way they though best, and they made some horrible mistakes. How is this Blizzard's fault? It's like if an employee messes up, the supervisor gets in trouble. Yes MLG ran it. Yes MLG screwed it up. But ultimately it's Blizzard's WCS.
The supervisor would only get in trouble if he chose a person poorly for the job, or planned a bad project or something like that, or if he failed to supervise. In this case, it's all on MLG in my opinion, they are an organization who regularly deals with tournaments this size or bigger, from Blizzard's POV, it was a more than correct choice of partner.
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On April 23 2013 11:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:16 Acasta wrote:On April 23 2013 11:07 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The chinese incident is that Comm took over for FruitsBasket after round one and continued to play as FruitsBasket, then got DQ'd 1 round from qualifying? Everyone is in agreement that comm should have DQ'd, but sooner right? How did they figure out it was Comm in the first place? Could they have even found out sooner? If not what should the penalty have been because having a pro take over all push your account through a major tourney is pretty messed up. It screws up the integrity of the tournament from such a late DQ due to Zero tolerance for pro mercenary type work, but shouldnt people be pissed at Comm for doing this?
Comm not getting in over a bronzie sucks, but how are his actions even justifiable? If I can't play, I'll pretend to be someone who can? Even if the rules were not precisely translated too him, this seems like a pretty basic "dont do it" concept.
Or do people think MLG should have just let it slide and just ignore it? It would have to be obvious eventually since instead of Fruits Basket showing up to the live matches, Comm would. No one would have been surprised.... He was open about it from the beginning that he was Comm. DQing him in the last possible round although they had a flexible rule, especially with that backstory, was just the worst possible decision. Fruits Basket played the first round I thought then handed it off to Comm afterwards. IF it was Comm playing the whole time, thats one thing, but 2 different people playing 1 account in a tournament is shady just in principle.
no, Comm played every single game
their was a misconception that he didn't play first round, but I thought that was cleared up and everybody saw it
he played every single match, he should have never been DQ'd in the first place, i haven't seen anybody saying he shoulda been dq'd earlier
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On April 23 2013 11:45 Aevera wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:28 magnaflow wrote:On April 23 2013 11:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On April 23 2013 11:16 Acasta wrote:On April 23 2013 11:07 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The chinese incident is that Comm took over for FruitsBasket after round one and continued to play as FruitsBasket, then got DQ'd 1 round from qualifying? Everyone is in agreement that comm should have DQ'd, but sooner right? How did they figure out it was Comm in the first place? Could they have even found out sooner? If not what should the penalty have been because having a pro take over all push your account through a major tourney is pretty messed up. It screws up the integrity of the tournament from such a late DQ due to Zero tolerance for pro mercenary type work, but shouldnt people be pissed at Comm for doing this?
Comm not getting in over a bronzie sucks, but how are his actions even justifiable? If I can't play, I'll pretend to be someone who can? Even if the rules were not precisely translated too him, this seems like a pretty basic "dont do it" concept.
Or do people think MLG should have just let it slide and just ignore it? It would have to be obvious eventually since instead of Fruits Basket showing up to the live matches, Comm would. No one would have been surprised.... He was open about it from the beginning that he was Comm. DQing him in the last possible round although they had a flexible rule, especially with that backstory, was just the worst possible decision. Fruits Basket played the first round I thought then handed it off to Comm afterwards. IF it was Comm playing the whole time, thats one thing, but 2 different people playing 1 account in a tournament is shady just in principle. Thats not how it went down, Comm played every game, just under his friends (MLG) account, he was open about it right from the start I wish people would stop saying this. He was not open from the start. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=101#2001Hell, even in his post that was translated he said that Fruitsbasket wanted to keep it a secret.
everybody but one of his opponents apparently knew
the admins knew, the casters new, the production team knew, all for over 5 hours
it just appears 1 of his opponents didn't know
and his friend wanted to keep a secret, but in the post your referencing he explains that he didn't keep it secret, he went to the admins anyway
edit: sorry for double post, tried to put them both together but fucked it up
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Wait a minute....this "apology" took a whole morning to write/?? He makes no mentions of the key issues with the qualifiers and also indirectly shifts blame to Blizzard. He sure gets it.
So is this how MLG does things? Do a half-ass job with little to no planning or communication. If things fuck up, Sundance will write an apology and sweep everything under the rug. Rinse and repeat.
Can't wait to see incontrol rant about this.
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The CEO is named Sundance DiGiovanni nothing could possibly go ..... right? 
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Well I feel a lot better. It always feels good when you're voice is heard. Hopefully he keeps good on the promise and they avoid these mistakes in the future.
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Man this could have been written in 5 minutes. What a statement. I hope they don't continue with their 9-40 from Premiere Qualifiers invited to Challenger Qualifiers. It should be either open or they invite the pro players who were left out of the Permiere Qualifiers as well(the least they could do imo). Shame WCS gets screwed up like this. At the end of the day I admit I will not care too much for this mess and just follow my fav team/players like usual. But its sad to see the integrity of the tournament somewhat ruined like this.
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Put me square in the "what are you going to do about it?" camp. Apologies are nice, but there were some major fuckups with THIS tournament (not future ones) that need to be rectified.
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Too little too late. You're lucky wcs eu quals were poorly executed as well.
Finally, we admittedly made a poor decision to try to hold back some results of the tournament in order to make spoiler-free viewing a possibility.
Spoiler-free viewing already is a possibility without withholding results.
edit: anger removed.
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I blame the lack of sleep and coffee for the lack of information and shallowness in this apology 
Sleep and coffee destroying eSports!
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On April 23 2013 12:18 Weirdkid wrote:I blame the lack of sleep and coffee for the lack of information and shallowness in this apology Sleep and coffee destroying eSports!
Hey, it's not perfect
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On April 23 2013 11:31 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On April 23 2013 11:16 Acasta wrote:On April 23 2013 11:07 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The chinese incident is that Comm took over for FruitsBasket after round one and continued to play as FruitsBasket, then got DQ'd 1 round from qualifying? Everyone is in agreement that comm should have DQ'd, but sooner right? How did they figure out it was Comm in the first place? Could they have even found out sooner? If not what should the penalty have been because having a pro take over all push your account through a major tourney is pretty messed up. It screws up the integrity of the tournament from such a late DQ due to Zero tolerance for pro mercenary type work, but shouldnt people be pissed at Comm for doing this?
Comm not getting in over a bronzie sucks, but how are his actions even justifiable? If I can't play, I'll pretend to be someone who can? Even if the rules were not precisely translated too him, this seems like a pretty basic "dont do it" concept.
Or do people think MLG should have just let it slide and just ignore it? It would have to be obvious eventually since instead of Fruits Basket showing up to the live matches, Comm would. No one would have been surprised.... He was open about it from the beginning that he was Comm. DQing him in the last possible round although they had a flexible rule, especially with that backstory, was just the worst possible decision. Fruits Basket played the first round I thought then handed it off to Comm afterwards. IF it was Comm playing the whole time, thats one thing, but 2 different people playing 1 account in a tournament is shady just in principle. Don't misleading again please. It's comm playing from the start and he is quite frank from the start. Even the opponents and casters know it's Comm playing. So stop making excuses for MLG.
I wasnt aware he had played all his games, so I apologize for my misconception. But just because I think while MLG screwed a number of things up, this bandwagon hate circlejerk is stupid. Nothing constructive is coming of this and its certainly not helping anyone. I would rather see posts on exactly what MLG ought to do moving forward with logical reasoning (and some posters have done this, but most haven't) instead of all this emotional kneejerk stuff.
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On April 23 2013 07:11 Archile wrote:
apologies are great and all, but a lot of these problems should have been anticipated before the event, and it seemed more like intentional sloppiness rather than simple mistakes
nonetheless, thank you for the apology MLG, and I hope the quality of your work improves.
Yes I hear organizations pride themselves in intentionally making mistakes...
What a stupid use of wording, please rephrase, it's a ridiculous statement to imply they intentionally made mistakes to hurt their enterprise.
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I realise this is kind of a dead horse & dealt with already, but I created an image on what I feel clearly demonstrates why a single 512 player bracket isn't enough. Basically, WCS America has become the unofficial second home to many countries that no longer have a WCS in 2013.
My main disappointment is that I can't follow the people from my region due to either not making the 512 player cut-off, or in the case of the very few that did make it, getting very limited stream time.
At this point in time, I'm just praying to god mOOnGLaDe doesn't need to play his games at 3:00am.
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very politically correct apology.
how about an explanation on how they're going to make it up to all the chinese players they screwed over.
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On April 23 2013 12:39 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:31 Baroninthetree wrote:On April 23 2013 11:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On April 23 2013 11:16 Acasta wrote:On April 23 2013 11:07 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
The chinese incident is that Comm took over for FruitsBasket after round one and continued to play as FruitsBasket, then got DQ'd 1 round from qualifying? Everyone is in agreement that comm should have DQ'd, but sooner right? How did they figure out it was Comm in the first place? Could they have even found out sooner? If not what should the penalty have been because having a pro take over all push your account through a major tourney is pretty messed up. It screws up the integrity of the tournament from such a late DQ due to Zero tolerance for pro mercenary type work, but shouldnt people be pissed at Comm for doing this?
Comm not getting in over a bronzie sucks, but how are his actions even justifiable? If I can't play, I'll pretend to be someone who can? Even if the rules were not precisely translated too him, this seems like a pretty basic "dont do it" concept.
Or do people think MLG should have just let it slide and just ignore it? It would have to be obvious eventually since instead of Fruits Basket showing up to the live matches, Comm would. No one would have been surprised.... He was open about it from the beginning that he was Comm. DQing him in the last possible round although they had a flexible rule, especially with that backstory, was just the worst possible decision. Fruits Basket played the first round I thought then handed it off to Comm afterwards. IF it was Comm playing the whole time, thats one thing, but 2 different people playing 1 account in a tournament is shady just in principle. Don't misleading again please. It's comm playing from the start and he is quite frank from the start. Even the opponents and casters know it's Comm playing. So stop making excuses for MLG. I wasnt aware he had played all his games, so I apologize for my misconception. But just because I think while MLG screwed a number of things up, this bandwagon hate circlejerk is stupid. Nothing constructive is coming of this and its certainly not helping anyone. I would rather see posts on exactly what MLG ought to do moving forward with logical reasoning (and some posters have done this, but most haven't) instead of all this emotional kneejerk stuff.
Nothing productive is happening period..... That's why there is a bandwagon of hate.
There's a lot of speculation and have been a lot of suggestions over what MLG could do, and there are a lot of options as well. The problem, however, is that they are an organization that doesn't fix their mistakes.
Even is the CEO's apology entitled "How We Will Improve", Sundance only admits to mistakes and states that they are only going to fix the fact that they withheld results, which actually isn't much of a big deal.. Everything else they did they just realized was a fuck up but never hinted that anything surrounding the situation will be changed or fixed.
You're just being too defensive for an organization that is supposed to be important but has proven over the long course of it's history to be too flawed to maintain such a distinguished status. By this I mean, it's one thing to fuck up as a small organization and then say you're going to do better, but it's something totally different to be the premier organization on this side of the planet and fuck up consistently.
I like MLG and I had great expectations for them. I thought others might have doubted their capabilities too soon, however I was the one who overestimated their ability to run this particular event.
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It's nice that they apologized about this and recognized that they screwed up, but pretty much all the major issues (hackers, Chinese players, etc) haven't been addressed yet.
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Jeez, everyone just needs to chill out. Yes MLG messed up, but at least I wasn't put to sleep by how horribly boring the production was, like in the WCS Europe qualifiers. Just because the NASL crew got their panties in a bunch because they weren't invited to the party doesn't mean everyone has to go crying to their mommy. This entire thing has been blown way out of proportion, but I guess that's what I should come to expect from the Starcraft community nowadays.
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