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On April 23 2013 17:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 17:04 OopsOopsBaby wrote:On April 23 2013 15:11 umade wrote:
Asia has their own WCS qualifier.
I really don't see why they should be playing in the NA one, or the EU one. source? Asia has WCS Korea. The poster you're quoting, however, does not seem to understand how insanely difficult WCS Korea is, or the fact that it is played out offline which makes it much less practical. On-topic: I like MLG, and I've always loved their tournaments, but this is a bit too much to swallow right now. I hope a solution is offered for the very good Chinese players who were fucked over by the decisions made by MLG. An apology won't cut it for me - but then again, I'm not the one who was hurt - it's up to Comm and the other Chinese players to either accept MLG's apology or not, because I sure as heck hope they were offered one.
well WCS Korea Qualifiers are the GSL Code A qualifiers. you have to go to korea to play them.
more interesting then the apology itself are the topics sundance doesn't even mention:
1) no word on letting hyun play thus corrupting the brackets. why? well, it would make them look really bad if they can't even check if the registered players are already in Code S or not. says a lot about their own planning and explains why they let hackers play. they didn't check players AT ALL. plain and simple.
2) no apology to the chinese players where his admins fucked up BIG time. as proven by the screenshots.
3) no reasoning to disqualify Comm just before his FINAL MATCH. resulting in even further corrupted brackets and invalidating the whole qualifier. not even an apology here.
4) no word on why an OPEN qualifier is limited to 512 players. and how they even came to the totally stupid conclussion that 512 players would be enough. some basic research shows that the 4th (!!!) qualifier for EU had a 2048 bracket. maybe there was no research?
apologizing is great if you don't even talk about your major fuck ups.
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On April 23 2013 17:26 grs wrote:I can only imagine that the usergroup of their MLG-site is quite different to the one on TL. There is nothing wrong with the apology itself and that's what gets the positive replies on the MLG-site/Facebook. What is criticised on TL is, that there is no information about how he plans to correct the mistakes and that some mistakes are not listed in the apology. How detailed the MLG-users even know about all the problems around the chinese players e.g. I don't know, but I guess not much.
Yes I too believe most of the people commenting there are not the same ones here posting on TL. They may not even know a shit about SC2 and just follow other games MLG hosts tournaments. Majority are probably unaware of the other important fuck ups not mentioned in the statement nor how much the player limit really screwed people over.
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Its ok Sundance. We still love you!
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Talking about Comm being screwed up by MLG, is he even banned for the whole WCS, or was that just the Code S qualifier?
I mean, if not, he can always participate in the Code A qualifiers and try to enter that way.
edit: Also, am I the only one who things that this announcement is incredibly incoherent with all of his recent tweets?
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If there is such a a thing....WORST APOLOGY EVER!
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On April 23 2013 17:59 JustPassingBy wrote:
Talking about Comm being screwed up by MLG, is he even banned for the whole WCS, or was that just the Code S qualifier?
I mean, if not, he can always participate in the Code A qualifiers and try to enter that way.
edit: Also, am I the only one who things that this announcement is incredibly incoherent with all of his recent tweets?
If he is disqualified from the qualifier, is he placed somewhere between 9 and 40? Otherwise he cannot participate in the challenger qualifier(?)
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I feel like this is just a pre-witten appology. "Hey we fucked up - where is our standard formula for appologies?"
There ar some things you are not allowed to fuck up if you run a single qualifier event. They say they underestimatet how many people wanted to play in the qualifiers. Seriously? i am in no way an expert in running such events, but 512 people qualifier for entire Na region AFTER esl already had 4 qualifiers with more people in it? Yes mostly were the same people playing but seriously.. i have absolutly no problem with the fact that it wasnt 100% smooth. I dont care if they show outdated brackets to me, or show some low lvl games, this games can be fun too and its nice to give unknown players some spotlight. But allowing known hackers ( sombody mentioned this, is it actually true?) or allow players who werent allowed to play at all eliminate others from the qualifiers - thats just a big fuck up.
Im happy i only watched a single series of the entire qualifiers - ironcally it was mario vs nony. The way how that was handeled was just bad aswell. Turned the stream off afterwards because i couldnt stand the stupidness they were producing. I also felt that the breaks were often longer than the games...
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I hope they give Comm at the very least a spot at the challenger qualifier. The dude was one bo3 away from qualifying.
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It will be quite funny/sad picture when NASL will have to die to make a place for MLG who can't run a civilized qualifer.
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Well, I'm very sorry too.
Some of the mistakes that were made are understandable considering time/ staff shortages. But the decision to just have 1 512 man bracket after the 4(!) EU qualifiers just blowes my mind. It pretty much caused all of the other problems that happened during the tournament and could have easily been avoided by looking just a little bit further than the pretty NY scyline. Having just one stream is also a huge mistake that is not covered by this apology.
So, I get it; You'll do better next time (not doubting that) but can do nothing for the players affected by the mistakes that occured. Well, this is not true and consider this a PR tip: Have Comm play his match against Apocalypse. Live. On a "apology
stream" broadcast.
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On April 23 2013 18:06 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 17:59 JustPassingBy wrote:
Talking about Comm being screwed up by MLG, is he even banned for the whole WCS, or was that just the Code S qualifier?
I mean, if not, he can always participate in the Code A qualifiers and try to enter that way.
edit: Also, am I the only one who things that this announcement is incredibly incoherent with all of his recent tweets? If he is disqualified from the qualifier, is he placed somewhere between 9 and 40? Otherwise he cannot participate in the challenger qualifier(?)
While it has been mentioned that the 9th to 40th will be invited into the challenger qualifier, it has never been said that they will be the only ones who will be invited. In fact, I have seen images of some MLG official promising all the screwed over chinese player an invite to the NA Code A qualifiers. Let's just hope it's not the same guy who also said they were "ready to go" for the Code S qualis...
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On April 23 2013 16:45 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:38 Adreme wrote:
At this point MLG doesn't simply get to say "oops we messed up and will try better next time" because they have been saying this about some event they have been running it seems like at least once or twice a year. Of the 3 organizations running the regional WCS events I believe MLG is the most experienced of them all at running tournaments and yet somehow they are the ones that continually seem to misstep over and over again (this pertains to overall and not just WCS).
I remember in the feedback thread how someone (sorry I don't remember who) said that Sundance would probably soon be issuing an apology and going mistakes were made and we will try and do better next time. The fact that his apology pitch is that well known should probably be a red flag but at this point someone has to tell me what MLG has shown to demonstrate they even deserve to host WCS NA season 2. A lot of these mistakes are understandable but most of them are things that a veteran tournament organization should have seen coming or at least attempted to rectify in less of a slapstick way. ESL more experienced in hosting tournaments. Also longer around and did a better job, but you are right. MLG doesn't get to say sorry we messed up and we'll do it better next time. I am very well aware of my bashing now, but I feel its deserved. I was supporting MLG even when it wasn't running smooth - why? I can perfectly relate to technical difficulties, delayed schedule and all of that stuff. It happens and it can happen to anyone. I am IT specialist myself and I do cast and did organize smaller tournaments in the past, so I am well aware that on a bigger scale, bigger hickups and fuckups can and will happen. I am not bashing anyone for those things that happen, but I am and I will continue to be vocal about a major screwup that screwed the players to begin with and a big fuck you towards the community in a meaningless apolozy towards the people that you base your business on. I am thankful that there are organizations that take the risk and invest into a scene which isn't guaranteed to get you your moneys worth in the start, but MLG did a good job and did raise a good model / company behind it. They can stand their ground and they do good in it, but when you see their posts and tweets from Sundance, I am in utter disbelief anyone would want to support them. He is not just being sarcastic and harsh, but nothing short of disrespectful towards us. While I can understand all anger that may happen when you get undeserved bashing and people being unthankful of everything you do, you better swallow your goddamn pride when you are the actual reason and its actually no ones but your fault that you messed up.
I very much agree with this post.
If MLG or Sundance in particular at least would be humble when they make ( huge ) mistakes, it would not even be half as bad. And by the way, to pretend they actually did not expect that many players to register is just a LIE and nothing else. Another example, where humbleness would be important but Sundance chooses to pretend ignorance.
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The usual PR empty words, after everything has been done.
Not the first time that they come from Sundance, most likely not the last.
I wonder if someone is seriously believing in those empty sentences... if you really want him to listen (and most importantly act, instead of writing something he doesn't even believe in) you should watch something else when MLG is airing, like a player's stream.
Especially someone who didn't qualify since some "important" player had to step in regardless of all the seats being already taken.
I'm sceptic about MLG, people are complaining about various things since a lot, but I don't see them actually do something that doesn't involve just words.
Unless it touches their wallet, things are going to stay exactly how they like and that's what happen when you get a collossus (no pun intended) in a market like NA, which is prone to die if people let them do what they want.
I've seen many apology thread on this site, and the only one who I ever believed was Seeker's one (lololol).
Poeple don't change their decisions because some no one posted his opinion on the internet, nor do they consider them unless they are a million and more importantly they involve viewership.
Don't be fooled.
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lot of negativity here, of course it shouldnt happen but this is a new venture and format for everyone. Even if it was smoothly done there are always calls for improvement and somebody somewhere doesnt like it. I personally feel the wcs has been rushed forward on everyones part creating the messier parts. esport gaming and sc2 this is a massive scene, we all know it and always i feel its underestimated how passionate we get over a game tournament and the game itslelf, this is the definition of hardcore gamers. We as the community though need to uphold our end of the bargain. Support. Lets just say a lot of the organisation for the most part went bad, (personally ive really enjoyed the coverage so far, its not affected me like its effective other people) so we need to just be a little more understanding. mlg is the forefornt of this business and they will get it right, just like blizzard are getting it right in the continuing support for their game and their fans and TRYING to create a little more for us all.
what if everyone just stopped trying? What would we say then. It would be up to independants to run if something like this could be run from scratch. Please people, lets just be a bit more supportive.
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Collecting Chinese netizen and Starcraft community reactions about the whole WCS NA qualifier and "apology", prepare for some serious shitstorm dudes.
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On April 23 2013 18:57 digmouse wrote:
Collecting Chinese netizen and Starcraft community reactions about the whole WCS NA qualifier and "apology", prepare for some serious shitstorm dudes.
Always interesting to see what other communities are saying, thanks for collecting/translating!
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On April 23 2013 18:48 StatixEx wrote:
lot of negativity here, of course it shouldnt happen but this is a new venture and format for everyone. Even if it was smoothly done there are always calls for improvement and somebody somewhere doesnt like it. I personally feel the wcs has been rushed forward on everyones part creating the messier parts. esport gaming and sc2 this is a massive scene, we all know it and always i feel its underestimated how passionate we get over a game tournament and the game itslelf, this is the definition of hardcore gamers. We as the community though need to uphold our end of the bargain. Support. Lets just say a lot of the organisation for the most part went bad, (personally ive really enjoyed the coverage so far, its not affected me like its effective other people) so we need to just be a little more understanding. mlg is the forefornt of this business and they will get it right, just like blizzard are getting it right in the continuing support for their game and their fans and TRYING to create a little more for us all.
what if everyone just stopped trying? What would we say then. It would be up to independants to run if something like this could be run from scratch. Please people, lets just be a bit more supportive.
Do you simply ignore how terrible it went or do you really don't realize? As pointed out multiple times. Technical difficulties, stream delay, bad casting, communication problems, bad calls on rematch situations... etc pp is all very understandable even if it sucks and an apology really solves most those things if you correct it the next time.
Screwing a players career and simply put lie in your apology, really? Allowing hackers in your tournament, limit your tournament and disqualify players being in the (very last round) of the tournament. They completely made their qualifier void. The only reason it cannot be re-run is, because it would be unfair towards the people that qualified fair and square in that mess and I even dare to say, with the chinese players participating we could have potentially seen upsets and different qualificants.
Keep defending MLG and say we should stick together, but those two things do stand in contrary to each other. We as a community should not and cannot accept that qualifier/the quality and especially the aftermath/apology. MLG deserves the shitstorm it gets and to be fair, they are getting away easy right now. Blizzard should step in.
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I think this generic "I'm sorry" is far from adequate here. Many players got massively screwed over by MLGs incompetence and they don't give a shit or try to fix it. And the fact that they don't even mention the actual problems everyone is pissed about is borderline insulting.
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WCS NA was a massive failure from the beginning and is probably the tournament that will be the least enjoyable one to watch. Noone needs WCS "little korea" along with this bad organisation.
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On April 23 2013 18:57 digmouse wrote:
Collecting Chinese netizen and Starcraft community reactions about the whole WCS NA qualifier and "apology", prepare for some serious shitstorm dudes.
Lol isn't it basically the same stuff as what we have here? 
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