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Apologizing makes up for nothing, do something about it to correct the mistakes made.
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On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every complaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality.
Sundance
I could throw 5 dollar bills into a crowd of eSports fans and some of you would call me an asshole and ask for 10s
That is what Sundance on twitter had to say about this all. And that is from a CEO ...
- Listen to the community.
- don't put the blame on others.
- Don't say sorry, do things better.
- Don't be an ass on Twitter, you are the face and voice of MLG you should know better.
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On April 23 2013 20:44 Khai wrote:
Apologizing makes up for nothing, do something about it to correct the mistakes made.
What exactly do you expect them to do?
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On April 23 2013 20:42 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:39 Goolpsy wrote:On April 23 2013 20:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all (most disrespectful manner possible?) and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now? I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term. Quite simple, no? This is blizzards "Starcraft World Championship", and they are excluding a portion of the population (A really strong and hardworking part - The Chinese). The registration process/selection method was a disaster and should be improved in the future. This does not invalidate anything. The players who qualified deserved to qualify.
It does invalidate the tournament/qualifier. First of all, besides not being able to participate in a tournament that should be open to everyone and not have a playerlimit to begin with, they excluded chinese players (pros) that were confirmed 'ready to go'. Wether that admin was not aware of the system or not does not matter.
Secondly they did allow HyuN to participate in this tournament and allow him to beat down players, that theoretically and potentially could have made a run and qualified. If you like to call the chances to be 0,0001% , that is still a chance for you. Furthermore they decided to disqualify a known hacker in the ongoing tournament and making the games he played void. The result of this action wasn't , that the games had to be replayed, but simply the next opponent got a w/o (right?).
Other than that, the chinese player Comm who should have been in the tournament to begin with, used the account of FruitBasket, wether or not the admin knew or the opponents, I actually give Comm the benefit of the doubt when he states, that he tried to contact an admin and told his opponent that he is - in fact not Fruitbasket but Comm.
Disqualifying him one round before potentially qualifying and giving the win to his opponent not only is unfair to everyone Comm beat, but also gives Apocalypse an advantage over anyone who played a 'full' tournament to qualify. DemusliM for example would have been qualified if not for his last bo3.
This action alone invalidates the tournament/qualifer. Do add all the other mistakes that were made, and its void. I can understand, that its impossible to re-run the qualifier, as the people who qualified, did work for it. That in itself doesn't make it less invalid, though.
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On April 23 2013 20:49 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:44 Khai wrote:
Apologizing makes up for nothing, do something about it to correct the mistakes made. What exactly do you expect them to do?
AT LEAST make a statement on the Comm case and perhaps even let him play his final match against Apocalypse. i think he has a very good chance to qualify that is taken off him for no reason.
edit: good explantion by naruto.
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On April 23 2013 20:51 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:49 nam nam wrote:On April 23 2013 20:44 Khai wrote:
Apologizing makes up for nothing, do something about it to correct the mistakes made. What exactly do you expect them to do? AT LEAST make a statement on the Comm case and perhaps even let him play his final match against Apocalypse. i think he has a very good chance to qualify that is taken off him for no reason. edit: good explantion by naruto.
Or even invite him to the 'invite only Code A'.. (+statement ofc)
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I'm not sure if you understand the meaning of the words you use, in particular "invalid" and "void". If you believe that the people who qualified deserved to qualify, neither of the words apply. The mistakes make the qualifier a poorly ran one, disaster, whatever, but not invalid or void. It's not necessary at all for the qualifier to have the best possible players for it to be valid.
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I'm glad they addressed this. On the internet, hate is fairly ubiquitous. It's hard to know when there is a legitimate problem and when people are just bashing to bash. Clearly, the WCS had severe issues with getting the right people to the table, issues with the stream (showing replays, skipping DeMuslims single vicotry over Revival, which would have made the match pretty cool). On and on. Hopefully, solid lessons are learned here.
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On April 23 2013 20:47 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every complaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. SundanceI could throw 5 dollar bills into a crowd of eSports fans and some of you would call me an asshole and ask for 10s That is what Sundance on twitter had to say about this all. And that is from a CEO ... - Listen to the community. - don't put the blame on others. - Don't say sorry, do things better. - Don't be an ass on Twitter, you are the face and voice of MLG you should know better.
- They do listen to the community. Saying otherwise is just ignoring everything MLG has done in the last years.
- Others are also to blame and he didn't say they were blameless themselves. Weird point.
- Why not both? They said they are sorry and vow to do better. Maybe allow them a chance to do so?
- Given what people say about MLG and Sundance on twitter and in this thread I don't blame him. So many strawmans and fallacies it isn't even funny. Not ideal from a pr perspective sure but he's human after all. Don't get me wrong, they do deserve criticism for this but people have to be reasonable as well. It seems a lot of people would rather see MLG fail than to pick themselves up and do better.
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On April 23 2013 20:55 Goolpsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:51 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:49 nam nam wrote:On April 23 2013 20:44 Khai wrote:
Apologizing makes up for nothing, do something about it to correct the mistakes made. What exactly do you expect them to do? AT LEAST make a statement on the Comm case and perhaps even let him play his final match against Apocalypse. i think he has a very good chance to qualify that is taken off him for no reason. edit: good explantion by naruto. Or even invite him to the 'invite only Code A'.. (+statement ofc)
NO. he had a good chance for Code S, he should be in the invite only Code A anyway because he qualified already, proven by his results in the qualifier.
he has to get his chance to get to Code S and this is a simple "regame" of the DQ against Apocalypse.
On April 23 2013 20:56 syllogism wrote:
I'm not sure if you understand the meaning of the words you use, in particular "invalid" and "void". If you believe that the people who qualified deserved to qualify, neither of the words apply. The mistakes make the qualifier a poorly ran one, disaster, whatever, but not invalid or void. It's not necessary at all for the qualifier to have the best possible players for it to be valid.
you don't understand what a fair competition is at all. corrupted brackets are the worst thing that can happen to any tourney and this is the first premier tournament where this happens. shame on MLG.
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On April 23 2013 20:49 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:44 Khai wrote:
Apologizing makes up for nothing, do something about it to correct the mistakes made. What exactly do you expect them to do?
Correcting the mistakes that were made would be a good start.
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On April 23 2013 20:42 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:39 Goolpsy wrote:On April 23 2013 20:29 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all (most disrespectful manner possible?) and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now? I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term. Quite simple, no? This is blizzards "Starcraft World Championship", and they are excluding a portion of the population (A really strong and hardworking part - The Chinese). The registration process/selection method was a disaster and should be improved in the future. This does not invalidate anything. The players who qualified deserved to qualify.
how can you say that when comm was one series from qualifying? Who are you to say that comm would have lost that match. He should have been a valid competitor, he proved himself one, and he was robbed of the shot at a spot.
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On April 23 2013 20:56 syllogism wrote:
I'm not sure if you understand the meaning of the words you use, in particular "invalid" and "void". If you believe that the people who qualified deserved to qualify, neither of the words apply. The mistakes make the qualifier a poorly ran one, disaster, whatever, but not invalid or void. It's not necessary at all for the qualifier to have the best possible players for it to be valid.
Okay, lets be totally honest here right? I personally dislike the tournament not being open and allowing everyone to participate, but this point alone doesn't make the qualifier void when you started the tournament. It makes it a mess, but its still a legitimate qualification process. Now lets go through it
Alicia qualified, didn't play HyuN, nor Comm nor the disqualified hacker. Neither did any of his opponents. His qualification run is valid and not void.
Comm beat Tbizzo and hendralisk before losing to TheStC and thus granting him a qualification spot. Comm was disqualified for behaving against the rules. Every player he knocked down, wouldn't be knocked down if this would have been fixed from the start. Tbizzo, hendralisk both had a chance to advance and potentially beat StC. Likely? I don't know, but can you say 0% chance? No you cannot.
TheStCs spot as qualificant is void.
I only looked it up from Round5+ , but thats just an example, I guess you can relate to what I am referring to. Due to the disqualification of people , matches usually would have had to replayed or we would need immediate action. If players get knocked out from people that are not allowed to participate , it takes their chances to qualify. Knocking out those players means it does make every match played in that particular tree void.
If every player that qualified did neither play one of the disqualified/not allowed people NOR one of their opponents OR their opponents opponent before that , then qualification is valid, otherwise void.
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Actions speak louder then words.
Not forgiven.
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"we get it, we fucked up"
...sounds familiar
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On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. He is in no position to demand amends after his blatant disregard for the rules of the tournament.
Bullshit, if they apply their rules like they did, every chinese pro won't be able to play a single game of WCS exept for Comm who played the qualifiers. They have no tournaments with good prize-money, no shit, nothing. Last year WCS was a saving grace in China just like in Australia for their scene. It's their only big tournament, it's not ONE tournament, it's a fucking league that can really sustain them. How much do you think they win per month? Especially in China, just think before saying stupid shit.
They have every rights to participate over the platinium players who did. It's their fucking job and a platinium leaguer can't win in this kind of qualifier, it is just impossible. We are supposed to have a global champion at the end of the year : a non-pro who has no chance to win participating means a pro who has chances to win can't; it is just stupid, do you see noobs in the first round of a tennis global championship? Hell no, a requirement is needed it's just simple.
Your attitude is awful, you are defending people who screwed up big and then make a stupid reasoning with all those "respect the rules uh, uh, disregard for the rules". Comm got fucked by an admin who tells him he's ready to go and then tries to qualify with another account. If he didn't tell others he was Comm everything would have been okay, hell the reason he was banned is not even clear. Everybody was using barcodes shit, other user-names/accounts, revealed the results and only a few like Demu or Comm were banned. They didn't respect their own retarded rules else they would have banned 90% of the players.
The rules were bad then they made fast and bad decisions then start denying it then we have nice excuses but still no response to the problems created.
On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:
The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it.
You are not considering the issue from the point of the chinese at all so come down from your piedestal dude. This qualifier was awful so let the organisers know it, it's just normal. After a major fuck-up like this you can't expect people to have constructive criticism. There are limits to things, you can't have constructive criticism all the time, MLG needs to be shaken.
E-sports is expanding, the scene won't die and if MLG falls another organisation will come. An organisation who fucks up players isn't needed. I hope they remember this qualifier well, they are disposable (and NASL is just behind them). While it's true that there are a lot of complains all the time, I think it's normal in this case.
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Acertos: I already lambasted the decision not to invite top chinese players in the original thread. Chinese fans and the players have every right to be pissed at MLG*. The context of that post is different. It is unfortunate that the game isn't big enough/financially successful enough to have vibrant scenes in every region of the world. That is the reason chinese players are struggling to make a career out of the game right now, not because they MLG messed up these qualifiers. I did not defend MLG or their decisions, other than disqualifying a player for breaking an important rule at any point. The vast majority of the complaints are accurate and on the point. This does mean the community is offering useful, mature criticism and keeping things in context. The post was directed at the poor quality of criticism and the sense of entitlement many members of SC2 communities have even though they are getting all their content for free (obviously people who spend money in the scene are different).
*but at the same time the fans should keep in mind that it's likely that few chinese fans are interested in spending money on MLG events. Why should MLG care about their views?
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so... what about comm?
what about cats who lost to map hacker?
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On April 23 2013 20:29 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:25 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 20:18 syllogism wrote:On April 23 2013 16:36 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 23 2013 16:34 Targe wrote:
Good apology, he gave the hint that future tournaments will be better run, thank God. I really find it hard to believe that the community gets out its pitchforks and never forgets about certain stuff, but a qualifier that screws over players which is the most important thing and secondly fucked up the viewers gets away with an apology? Seriously I am in disbelief. Its not like they made a bad call on a rematch situation. They basically fucked over Comm and other peoples career / chances of winning big money. Jim for example would probably been able to qualify if given the chance, but now he has to wait for a whole year? :X What do you mean they "get away" with an apology? What exactly do you think the "community" should be doing? Post more unconstructive criticism about issues they are acutely aware of? Or do you want the free loaders who just tune in to the free streams and never put a single dollar into the scene, to demand that the ones who do should cease? I'm sure there are also a lot of disappointed people who have previously had mlg tickets, but they are by far the minority and it's pretty easy to tell based on the tone and content of posts who has not and is unlikely to ever spend money in the scene. "Fucked over Comm and other people's career"? First of all, his career is not over by being unable to participate in a single tournament. Secondly, he has no right inherent right to participate in the tournament over the people who did. Comm "fucked over" his career on his own just fine by not realizing that not informing the admins that you are smurfing is not okay. The reason the community isn't worth listening to is because the vast majority of people are incapable of expressing their views in a rational, well-thought out manner, considering the issue from every perspective and taking into account that they are largely consumers of content that is free to them. You aren't entitled to anything for free and you should keep that in mind when posting criticism. Yes, you have every right to worry about your favorite hobby, but that doesn't mean the reaction is reasonable and not childish. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a significant, if not the majority of, portition of the community runs ad blockers and is basically hurting the scene if anything. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of these organizations involved are still losing money investing in the hobby you enjoy and all the community can do is complain. Not only do they just complain, but they are incredibly smug about it. there was a list with every comlaint. sundance ignored it and apologized in the most disrespectful manner possible. ignoring nearly every point that would make his organisation look like the amateurs they actually are. MLG just didn't care. so maybe a childish "apology" requires a community uproar to get the focus on the relevant topics and get some FIXES instead of EXCUSES. childish are also the people that can't see how this whole mess invalidates the qualifier itself and just embrace sundance even thanking him for his "apology". they are truely "believers" not bound to reality. This is a typical post by a member of these communities. You are saying things that have no meaning at all (most disrespectful manner possible?) and lead to nothing useful. What do you mean when you say that "the mess" invalidates the qualifier itself? Please do elaborate and explain why that is relevant now? I don't care about Sundance, the qualifiers, MLG and I'm not particularly invested in whether the game survives in long term.
If you don't care, why are you here? Why are you criticizing people when you don't know what problems came up to begin with?
Comm has no inherent right to participate over other people? He's the WCS China champion. WCS Mexico's runner-up got directly seeded into the premier league, but WCS China's champion doesn't even get a seed into the qualifiers? His career isn't over, but it does put him at a significant disadvantage going into further WCS tournaments as points accumulate. It's not just Comm either, XY and Jim both have the potential to upset Koreans and qualify, but they weren't allowed to compete at all due to the 512 player cap. I've also heard that some Australian progamers also didn't make it as well.
So you begin the tournament by excluding progamers who have a legitimate shot at qualifying in favor of whatever silver league player feels like signing up first. It doesn't invalidate the results, but it does cast a shadow over them. Then you have people who were knocked down by Hyun, Physicslee, and Comm. How would you feel if your tournament chances were ruined because you got matched against someone who was hacking or that you weren't supposed to play against to begin with?
Regardless of how remote your chances of qualifying were, the fact that your chance at qualification was ruined due to organizational incompetence more or less invalidates the tournament. So no, not every player that qualified deserves their spot. Apocalypse in particular had a much easier time with qualifying due to Comm's disqualification. This isn't the player's fault in any way though, they played well, but MLG fucked up big enough that the legitimacy of the entire qualifier should be called into question.
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