Four Koreans qualify from WCS AM Prelim Day 1 - Page 10

On April 21 2013 17:37 Thor.Rush wrote:

Same with EU though.

On April 21 2013 18:07 blade55555 wrote:


Yeah but KR to EU is a lot, lot worse then KR to NA and EU qualifiers were bo1 for a long time so it was even easier to get upsets.

For example if WCS NA was bo1 single elimination like WCS EU qualifiers jaedong would have lost to Mystery, but it was bo3 so he ended up winning 2-1.

Bo1's allow a lot more upsets and add that on with a lot more latency from KR to EU I am not surprised that not many koreans qualified for EU from the select few that chose EU.

On April 21 2013 18:07 blade55555 wrote:


Yeah but KR to EU is a lot, lot worse then KR to NA and EU qualifiers were bo1 for a long time so it was even easier to get upsets.

For example if WCS NA was bo1 single elimination like WCS EU qualifiers jaedong would have lost to Mystery, but it was bo3 so he ended up winning 2-1.

Bo1's allow a lot more upsets and add that on with a lot more latency from KR to EU I am not surprised that not many koreans qualified for EU from the select few that chose EU.

On April 21 2013 18:13 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
for me personaly...i just wanna see good games, so the question is, do i see good games when watching some random us / eu "pro" vs korean? probably not, so with my agenda of wanting good games i prefer korean vs korean cuz they are just quite frankly better at the game.

btw whats all this newage shit with the storylines, do people want stuff like that now and not good games? O.o but i guess when u watch shitty players u need storylines to make it remotely "interesting", but thats just a hunch

On April 21 2013 18:12 Ireniicas wrote:
Extremely sad to see NA/SA Rest of the World Dreams snuffed out by poorly conceived tournament rules permitting players who live and work in Regions that already enjoy a WCS qualifier able to join weaker 'easier targets'.

Yes, hardcore Starcraft fans that are ever present on forums such as this will rejoice at the opportunity to see more top notch Koreans at convenient times. The casual, silent mass audience will just continue to be disconnected from the scene whilst promising amateurs find it increasingly hard to get noticed and receive the support they need to have that talent nurtured.

TL DR. WCS limiting global growth by snuffing out localised competition and story lines and channelling Starcraft ever deeper into a niche.

On April 21 2013 18:13 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
for me personaly...i just wanna see good games, so the question is, do i see good games when watching some random us / eu "pro" vs korean? probably not, so with my agenda of wanting good games i prefer korean vs korean cuz they are just quite frankly better at the game.

On April 21 2013 18:17 mikkmagro wrote:

If you want the best games, you still won't watch WCS NA, you will watch GSL, GSTL and Pro League.

On April 21 2013 18:05 mikkmagro wrote:

It's just not that simple. With the way things are, it is simply not possible for North Americans to defeat Koreans, ever. Firstly, there is simply no way for a North American to sustain himself until he becomes good enough to compete at the levels of the players you mentioned. Most go to college, or have a job, and have to play after they get home from their daily commute. The Koreans you mentioned, are already well established. They don't need to sustain themselves, because they play for a team who gives them a house to live in, and food to eat. Furthermore, they're exposed to the best practice environment possible. They have lag free access to the best ladder in the world, they live in a house with top notch players from all the different races with whom they can practice, exchange strategies etc, and someone like Oz also gets a legendary coach (not to mention secondary coaches) to help them perfect their skills and make sure not to slack. Without a similar infrastructure, it is simply not possible for foreigners to catch up. Period.

On April 21 2013 17:51 ZenithM wrote:
One day I'll understand what "storylines" people are referring to.

On April 21 2013 18:19 nihlon wrote:

Yes they live in a region that have a WCS qualfier with far superior talent, fewer relative qualifier spots and similar prize pool. Tell me more how it's so unfair to the rest of the world. And how is it snuffing out local competition when the MLG's were dominated by Korean's regardless before this change. At most it just is more of the same.

On April 21 2013 18:07 blade55555 wrote:


Yeah but KR to EU is a lot, lot worse then KR to NA and EU qualifiers were bo1 for a long time so it was even easier to get upsets.

For example if WCS NA was bo1 single elimination like WCS EU qualifiers jaedong would have lost to Mystery, but it was bo3 so he ended up winning 2-1.

Bo1's allow a lot more upsets and add that on with a lot more latency from KR to EU I am not surprised that not many koreans qualified for EU from the select few that chose EU.

On April 21 2013 18:27 coverpunch wrote:


Infrastructure makes this a Catch-22. Without players of high quality, there's no infrastructure, but with no infrastructure, you can't have players of high quality. But my point follows yours - isolating NA players from Koreans is the wrong direction. You certainly will not build sustainable infrastructure or competitive players if NA players only play Koreans at the premier events but otherwise avoid them.

I think you make a contradictory point, however, in stating that North American pros often choose other things to do. If a NA pro is going to college and playing the game on the side, by definition he is not a professional. It's no different if a college accounting major leaves early to go to the NBA. We don't call that person an accountant and wonder why they don't pass the CPA exam. That person is a basketball player.

If we're talking about building some kind of minor league or something in NA to help build up players, we can have that conversation. But saying Koreans playing in WCS NA is a bad thing because the Koreans will win, that's just dumb.