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On April 21 2013 17:03 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.
So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.
I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.
I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.
I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you. Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously. On April 21 2013 14:00 Noobity wrote:On April 21 2013 13:40 Bagration wrote:On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.
So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.
I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.
I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.
I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you. Well I guess I can understand where you are coming from somewhat, but it's not like the Koreans are mindless robots with no personality. To the contrary, many of them have very unique and interesting personalities, and many of them do put on a good show (not just play, but also showmanship). Anyways, here's to a great showing by Axiom, and hopefully Heart and Miya can rally in the LB tomorrow. I don't think you're trying to paint me in a negative light, but to defend my point I agree, there are plenty of koreans with a ton of personality. In fact I'd argue that all of them are interesting in some way. But we should be seeing players like QXC, Nony, and Fitzy representing North America rather than STC Miya and Crank. I don't think many would argue that the latter are currently... Better I guess, but I want to cheer on the hometown heroes. Yeah, so maybe the gameplay elitists wouldn't want to watch WCS NA at that point, but why should we be stuck watching our foreign hopes in streamed online team league cups where in order to stay competitive they have to recruit Korean players anyway? I love Korean tournaments, but I would love to have a single North American tournament with MLG production levels that features only North American players even once a year. I don't really think that's too much to ask. No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly. So aside from the fact that I don't think my posts warranted any of that insulting bullshit you spouted, I'm also not saying a goddamned thing about money. Never did I say NA pros needed the same chance to win the same money that a korean player should have the chance to win. I do however think that in a tournament that's meant to represent us, we should have the opportunity to have our players do that. And for the record, I would fucking love to see QXC, Nony and Fitzy take 3 spots in the region they live in, and quite possibly go out 0-3 in the wcs finals because they fucking made it there fighting their peers. I would watch every single game where they get demolished by Life, MC and MVP because I am proud of them. They play on my server. They live on my continent. They are people I can play if I get good enough. Don't underestimate the viewership and prestige these players could earn themselves and esports as a whole regardless of whether or not they go out 0-3 to a superior Korean player in the finals.
That's where you're all wrong. The tournament isn't meant to represent "you" or "NA" or whatever. If that's the kind of tournament you want to see, gather your own 1,6 million and get it organised.
In the meantime, let's all praise Blizzard for not having QXC, Nony or Fitzy at the WCS until they're ready for it.
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On April 21 2013 17:00 Jarree wrote:
If a NA player goes through the qualifiers, he shall be crowned king arthur.
Haha, this is exactly as I feel. But yeah, the competition coming from Korea is just too strong, the NA players are just not ready yet. Now what I am really looking forward to is wether the NA scene manages to increase their performance before the WCS is softly region locked due to being played "offline". The recent trends with EG and Root moving to California does look good. 
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On April 21 2013 17:03 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.
So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.
I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.
I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.
I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you. Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously. On April 21 2013 14:00 Noobity wrote:On April 21 2013 13:40 Bagration wrote:On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.
So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.
I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.
I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.
I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you. Well I guess I can understand where you are coming from somewhat, but it's not like the Koreans are mindless robots with no personality. To the contrary, many of them have very unique and interesting personalities, and many of them do put on a good show (not just play, but also showmanship). Anyways, here's to a great showing by Axiom, and hopefully Heart and Miya can rally in the LB tomorrow. I don't think you're trying to paint me in a negative light, but to defend my point I agree, there are plenty of koreans with a ton of personality. In fact I'd argue that all of them are interesting in some way. But we should be seeing players like QXC, Nony, and Fitzy representing North America rather than STC Miya and Crank. I don't think many would argue that the latter are currently... Better I guess, but I want to cheer on the hometown heroes. Yeah, so maybe the gameplay elitists wouldn't want to watch WCS NA at that point, but why should we be stuck watching our foreign hopes in streamed online team league cups where in order to stay competitive they have to recruit Korean players anyway? I love Korean tournaments, but I would love to have a single North American tournament with MLG production levels that features only North American players even once a year. I don't really think that's too much to ask. No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly. So aside from the fact that I don't think my posts warranted any of that insulting bullshit you spouted, I'm also not saying a goddamned thing about money. Never did I say NA pros needed the same chance to win the same money that a korean player should have the chance to win. I do however think that in a tournament that's meant to represent us, we should have the opportunity to have our players do that. And for the record, I would fucking love to see QXC, Nony and Fitzy take 3 spots in the region they live in, and quite possibly go out 0-3 in the wcs finals because they fucking made it there fighting their peers. I would watch every single game where they get demolished by Life, MC and MVP because I am proud of them. They play on my server. They live on my continent. They are people I can play if I get good enough. Don't underestimate the viewership and prestige these players could earn themselves and esports as a whole regardless of whether or not they go out 0-3 to a superior Korean player in the finals.
You say Koreans have no story behind them which is not just ignorant but its shifting towards being racist. 'They all look the same, all play the same and don't do anything'. Well for that matter, I don't blame you for not speaking Korean but if you want to get infos about a player and if you would just have the tiniest bit of interest in them, you would get your hand on information about them, because I can tell you that most Koreans are actually more interesting than herpa derp I can play a cheesy style and be entertaining foreigner.
I am not saying its bad to see locals at a final, I'm saying its bad to ban the others. If NonY and all your favorite locals are not capable of reaching the final, they are not worthy and should not fucking be there. Blizzard cheated the Koreans to begin with, what did they expect? Koreans are not stupid, if they need to pick to qualify for 250000$ or not to qualify, hell I know where I am going.
You can be proud as long as you want, but if you keep telling yourself that NonY is more deserving of his NA seed/place whatever than Center or Apocalypse... sorry man, just no. If you arrange such a tournament with a major status and money, you have to keep it real and let the big guns take their shot. We already have enough people invited that are a shame to begin with and make the scene laughable.
If you want local competition to rise aka NonY, qxc, Fitze and who else, you better do minor leagues with not hundrets of thousands of dollars so its actually worth for locals to participate but not for Koreans. Do you think Koreans would play if its about 1000$ ? Its about 150 000 regional finals and 250 000 global final. And really I cannot believe you would want to watch another 0-3 Minigun vs Life in 20 minutes compared to an epic potentially bo5 series between two of the best players that easily have a story behind them...
There is a difference in not being interested in the player and calling him out as soulless machine
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I don't want to see a Missourian representing Missouri. I want to see a Texan representing Missouri. Now that I think about it, I want Canadians representing Missouri, because they're even better. Whether Americans suck or not, at least they're Americans...
There's 0 way for the NA scene to win under the current conditions, besides the 24 that got invites. This will probably be the fewest amount of Koreans ever competing in NA unless things change, and look how that's going. Furthermore, due to lag between KR and NA, the Koreans won't be equally splitting between NA and EU. There's nothing fair about this. People want to call NA bad, yet Demuslim, one of the best foreign players, would have had an easier time qualifying in EU. How does that help a scene that's supposedly already behind EU? Will making it hard enough that Stephano couldn't qualify in NA make it better? That's going to really motivate people.
EU is fine. Korea is fine. NA? MLG still gets some Koreans. I'd like to see foreigners playing against Koreans, but I'd also like to see them winning stuff along the way, so maybe they can sustain the ability to practice and focus on the game.
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On April 21 2013 15:43 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:41 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:24 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. That was the best and most entertaining tournament I have ever watched. doesn't sound exciting at all.. start watching some GSL or SPL man I watch all SC2 leagues. so... you've watched GSL and SPL, MLG...etc., and yet you think EU qualifiers was "the best and most entertaining tournament you've ever watched......ok....... lmao
WCS EU was the most entertaining event for many europeans incluing me, and yes I watch all the big ones.
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If the players are too bad they don't deserve to be in the big thing. I don't know why you want to lock regions. Yes it will be cool and all, some NA players will be in there but they will get completly destroyed by the Koreans (there is also the big deal koreans in the real thing) so the big tournament who's supposed to show the elite of SC2 will be a snozefest because NA will get destroyed and officialy waste rounds of fun for spectators.
It's exactly like Dota 2 with TI2, Valve tried to make it fair by inviting teams from every scene yet people were crying because a lot more asian teams were invited. At the end of the day every single NA team died around the first round and every EU team except Na`Vi lost pretty fast too.
It's not good show if some players/team are wasted games.
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On April 21 2013 16:00 Barta wrote:
I can't really wrap my head around NA players complaining about only koreans qualifying for WCS NA.
All of the koreans left in the qualifier are on non-korean teams ( even all NA teams ?).
So either the teams think that is a good idea to have koreans in the WCS NA or they dont care about their own player as long as they are not korean.
I don't think koreans should have been invited to the WCS NA, but complaining about koreans and have your own koreans qualifying is pretty hypocritical in my opinion.
I agree 100%
I also think that Blizzard thought just the traveling would limit the Koreans more. Look at how many Koreans would be here if none of the na teams had Koreans? Barely anyone..
All it takes is to play more and more offline requiring them to stay in the us or face a huge travel cost. Does not really need a region lock then.
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On April 21 2013 17:15 playa wrote:
I don't want to see a Missourian representing Missouri. I want to see a Texan representing Missouri. Now that I think about it, I want Canadians representing Missouri, because they're even better. Whether Americans suck or not, at least they're Americans...
There's 0 way for the NA scene to win under the current conditions, besides the 24 that got invites. This will probably be the fewest amount of Koreans ever competing in NA unless things change, and look how that's going. Furthermore, due to lag between KR and NA, the Koreans won't be equally splitting between NA and EU. There's nothing fair about this. People want to call NA bad, yet Demuslim, one of the best foreign players, would have had an easier time qualifying in EU. How does that help a scene that's supposedly already behind EU? Will making it hard enough that Stephano couldn't qualify in NA make it better? That's going to really motivate people.
EU is fine. Korea is fine. NA? MLG still gets some Koreans. I'd like to see foreigners playing against Koreans, but I'd also like to see them winning stuff along the way, so maybe they can sustain the ability to practice and focus on the game.
DemusliM first of all is European and should in my opinion have gotten a seed there, but thats a fuck up of WCS. But I have to strongly disagree. If you really believe DemusliM would have had an easy time on Europe, you are nuts. I am not even trying to bash the NA scene here, but the talent pool and overall average is insanely high on Europe.
Don't even take the Koreans that participated but check out the players that got kicked out during the qualifiers. There's easily enough people that are fully capable of beating DemusliM. While I think he would have had a better shot at EU, that certainly is not due to him being better than EU, but due to the EU system. 4 qualifiers with 2 of them having unlimited participate numbers makes a better chance for a good player to qualify.
Actually I would have loved to see not the winners but a point-system so 4 times #Ro4 would have gotten you in for example.
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Nice!
Oz's PvT seems really really good. Looking forward to seeing it in Proleague.
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I do like Crank, but at the same time, I do wish that more North American locals would make it through. Skill being the most important thing is fine and all but the SC2 pro scene could use some more Yoloswags tbh
It's a shame that the region locking and the integration of the GSL into the WCS is screwing everyone over
On April 21 2013 17:24 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 17:23 wozzot wrote:
I do like Crank, but at the same time, I do wish that more North American locals would make it through. Skill being the most important thing is fine and all but the SC2 pro scene could use some more Yoloswags tbh
It's a shame that the region locking and the integration of the GSL into the WCS is screwing everyone over Got yoloswag with invited players? :x
xxxYoLoSwAgxx got taken out by TheSTC ;_; At least that's what it says
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On April 21 2013 17:23 wozzot wrote:
I do like Crank, but at the same time, I do wish that more North American locals would make it through. Skill being the most important thing is fine and all but the SC2 pro scene could use some more Yoloswags tbh
It's a shame that the region locking and the integration of the GSL into the WCS is screwing everyone over
Got yoloswag with invited players? :x
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I agree with the point, that koreans should not take part in the european and north american qualifiers. I think they are not even a "european" or "north american" qualifiers, when everybody can take part. So they just should call it qualifier 1, 2 and 3. (Well, korean qualifiers really are korean qualifiers).
But i also think, that regions outside of this 3 regions should get own qualifiers. ppl from China or asia in general can't keep up with gsl (who can?). Also ppl from africa can't qualify. I remember Pandatank (south africa) was playing good in EU qualifier but in the end he could not beat XlorD just cause of high ping and strong lag issues. And are there no good players in south america? They should not name it "WORLD championship" if its just about 3 areas, no matter if they are the most popular ones or the one with the strongest players. thats my 2 cent.
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On April 21 2013 17:20 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 17:15 playa wrote:
I don't want to see a Missourian representing Missouri. I want to see a Texan representing Missouri. Now that I think about it, I want Canadians representing Missouri, because they're even better. Whether Americans suck or not, at least they're Americans...
There's 0 way for the NA scene to win under the current conditions, besides the 24 that got invites. This will probably be the fewest amount of Koreans ever competing in NA unless things change, and look how that's going. Furthermore, due to lag between KR and NA, the Koreans won't be equally splitting between NA and EU. There's nothing fair about this. People want to call NA bad, yet Demuslim, one of the best foreign players, would have had an easier time qualifying in EU. How does that help a scene that's supposedly already behind EU? Will making it hard enough that Stephano couldn't qualify in NA make it better? That's going to really motivate people.
EU is fine. Korea is fine. NA? MLG still gets some Koreans. I'd like to see foreigners playing against Koreans, but I'd also like to see them winning stuff along the way, so maybe they can sustain the ability to practice and focus on the game.
DemusliM first of all is European and should in my opinion have gotten a seed there, but thats a fuck up of WCS. But I have to strongly disagree. If you really believe DemusliM would have had an easy time on Europe, you are nuts. I am not even trying to bash the NA scene here, but the talent pool and overall average is insanely high on Europe. Don't even take the Koreans that participated but check out the players that got kicked out during the qualifiers. There's easily enough people that are fully capable of beating DemusliM. While I think he would have had a better shot at EU, that certainly is not due to him being better than EU, but due to the EU system. 4 qualifiers with 2 of them having unlimited participate numbers makes a better chance for a good player to qualify. Actually I would have loved to see not the winners but a point-system so 4 times #Ro4 would have gotten you in for example.
All this tournament does is encourage NA teams to recruit Koreans instead of foreigners. That's about it. And yes, Demuslim would have an easier time making it out of a group of players that he's better than, regardless of format.
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On April 21 2013 16:49 budar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:37 MarineFTW wrote:On April 21 2013 16:20 Champloo wrote:
Well, we just have to wait for next year, where Blizzard hopefully will get it right.
This WCS "NA" is a joke so far and I believe by season 3 there will be 32 out of 32 Koreans in Premier Division. Yeah, actually this sounds like a good plan. If there are 32 Koreans in WCS NA, there is no need to play in on NA server, there will be less lag on KR. Furthermore, the onsite rounds can be also played in KR to save some travel expenses. Because the Koreans on WCS NA would be still less skilled on average compared to WCS KR, more and more eSF players will move to WCS NA, and we will have: WCS NA = eFS + EG + TL + Axiom = old GSL WCS KR = Kespa = old OSL Then we will have GSL vs OSL Season Finals. Sick! Yes, and after the first season of that, the viewership will drop tenfold, the prize money/team sponsorships will soon follow, and then the players will move on to LoL. Awesome plan. :D
In this new system most of the prize money is provided by Blizzard, so as long as they are fine with this system, it won't change.
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WCS is the stupidest thing ever.
Regional based tourneys should be done by people in the region.
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On April 21 2013 17:31 Orcasgt24 wrote:
WCS is the stupidest thing ever.
Regional based tourneys should be done by people in the region.
Blizzard never inteded this to be regional.
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On April 21 2013 17:28 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 17:20 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 21 2013 17:15 playa wrote:
I don't want to see a Missourian representing Missouri. I want to see a Texan representing Missouri. Now that I think about it, I want Canadians representing Missouri, because they're even better. Whether Americans suck or not, at least they're Americans...
There's 0 way for the NA scene to win under the current conditions, besides the 24 that got invites. This will probably be the fewest amount of Koreans ever competing in NA unless things change, and look how that's going. Furthermore, due to lag between KR and NA, the Koreans won't be equally splitting between NA and EU. There's nothing fair about this. People want to call NA bad, yet Demuslim, one of the best foreign players, would have had an easier time qualifying in EU. How does that help a scene that's supposedly already behind EU? Will making it hard enough that Stephano couldn't qualify in NA make it better? That's going to really motivate people.
EU is fine. Korea is fine. NA? MLG still gets some Koreans. I'd like to see foreigners playing against Koreans, but I'd also like to see them winning stuff along the way, so maybe they can sustain the ability to practice and focus on the game.
DemusliM first of all is European and should in my opinion have gotten a seed there, but thats a fuck up of WCS. But I have to strongly disagree. If you really believe DemusliM would have had an easy time on Europe, you are nuts. I am not even trying to bash the NA scene here, but the talent pool and overall average is insanely high on Europe. Don't even take the Koreans that participated but check out the players that got kicked out during the qualifiers. There's easily enough people that are fully capable of beating DemusliM. While I think he would have had a better shot at EU, that certainly is not due to him being better than EU, but due to the EU system. 4 qualifiers with 2 of them having unlimited participate numbers makes a better chance for a good player to qualify. Actually I would have loved to see not the winners but a point-system so 4 times #Ro4 would have gotten you in for example. All this tournament does is encourage NA teams to recruit Koreans instead of foreigners. That's about it. And yes, Demuslim would have an easier time making it out of a group of players that he's better than, regardless of format.
Point being, DemusliM is not better than majority of EU top players that participated. You can like him all you want, I really do too, but its simply not true.
All the tournament would do, if you ban Koreans it raise a huge hickup in eSports. If any media (internet , esports related) would get a grasp on it, oh boy, you can shut down that stuff.
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Honestly, I think this is ridiculous. Of course, participation shouldn't be restricted by nationality. But I think residency would be a fair measurement. For instance, if you want to compete in the European qualifier for this year's season, you have to live in the European region for at least six months in the given time. This would guarantee a fair representation of each region.
But then again, they shouldn't have f`****d up the Korean qualifier to begin with...
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On April 21 2013 17:13 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 17:03 Noobity wrote:On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.
So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.
I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.
I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.
I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you. Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously. On April 21 2013 14:00 Noobity wrote:On April 21 2013 13:40 Bagration wrote:On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.
So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.
I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.
I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.
I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you. Well I guess I can understand where you are coming from somewhat, but it's not like the Koreans are mindless robots with no personality. To the contrary, many of them have very unique and interesting personalities, and many of them do put on a good show (not just play, but also showmanship). Anyways, here's to a great showing by Axiom, and hopefully Heart and Miya can rally in the LB tomorrow. I don't think you're trying to paint me in a negative light, but to defend my point I agree, there are plenty of koreans with a ton of personality. In fact I'd argue that all of them are interesting in some way. But we should be seeing players like QXC, Nony, and Fitzy representing North America rather than STC Miya and Crank. I don't think many would argue that the latter are currently... Better I guess, but I want to cheer on the hometown heroes. Yeah, so maybe the gameplay elitists wouldn't want to watch WCS NA at that point, but why should we be stuck watching our foreign hopes in streamed online team league cups where in order to stay competitive they have to recruit Korean players anyway? I love Korean tournaments, but I would love to have a single North American tournament with MLG production levels that features only North American players even once a year. I don't really think that's too much to ask. No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly. So aside from the fact that I don't think my posts warranted any of that insulting bullshit you spouted, I'm also not saying a goddamned thing about money. Never did I say NA pros needed the same chance to win the same money that a korean player should have the chance to win. I do however think that in a tournament that's meant to represent us, we should have the opportunity to have our players do that. And for the record, I would fucking love to see QXC, Nony and Fitzy take 3 spots in the region they live in, and quite possibly go out 0-3 in the wcs finals because they fucking made it there fighting their peers. I would watch every single game where they get demolished by Life, MC and MVP because I am proud of them. They play on my server. They live on my continent. They are people I can play if I get good enough. Don't underestimate the viewership and prestige these players could earn themselves and esports as a whole regardless of whether or not they go out 0-3 to a superior Korean player in the finals. You say Koreans have no story behind them which is not just ignorant but its shifting towards being racist. 'They all look the same, all play the same and don't do anything'. Well for that matter, I don't blame you for not speaking Korean but if you want to get infos about a player and if you would just have the tiniest bit of interest in them, you would get your hand on information about them, because I can tell you that most Koreans are actually more interesting than herpa derp I can play a cheesy style and be entertaining foreigner. I am not saying its bad to see locals at a final, I'm saying its bad to ban the others. If NonY and all your favorite locals are not capable of reaching the final, they are not worthy and should not fucking be there. Blizzard cheated the Koreans to begin with, what did they expect? Koreans are not stupid, if they need to pick to qualify for 250000$ or not to qualify, hell I know where I am going. You can be proud as long as you want, but if you keep telling yourself that NonY is more deserving of his NA seed/place whatever than Center or Apocalypse... sorry man, just no. If you arrange such a tournament with a major status and money, you have to keep it real and let the big guns take their shot. We already have enough people invited that are a shame to begin with and make the scene laughable. If you want local competition to rise aka NonY, qxc, Fitze and who else, you better do minor leagues with not hundrets of thousands of dollars so its actually worth for locals to participate but not for Koreans. Do you think Koreans would play if its about 1000$ ? Its about 150 000 regional finals and 250 000 global final. And really I cannot believe you would want to watch another 0-3 Minigun vs Life in 20 minutes compared to an epic potentially bo5 series between two of the best players that easily have a story behind them... There is a difference in not being interested in the player and calling him out as soulless machine
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't think all koreans look the same, I don't think they are soulless, I don't think they have no stories.
I think they have few stories that I care about (some exceptions such as Flash/Life), I think I can't relate to them in many ways, I think they are not representing me.
I think I have a right to believe what I believe, that a North American resident deserves a spot in a North American Qualifier. I mean at this point you might as well just have a single offline qualifier (GSL) and then an online qualifier that encompasses everyone else for all the good it would do.
I also have a right to not be insulted here. I cannot conceivably believe you think it's OK to spout that shit. The sheer audacity you must have to imply that kind of thing about another person who in no way even hinted that he believed a race of people were "Soulless machines" is so mindblowing to me. Thread is yours, dude. Keep being that reason people are afraid to speak their minds and go against the vocal minority.
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I will argue to the contrary of what seems to be the consensus complaint, that Koreans playing in WCS NA is bad for NA players. In fact, I think being exposed to Korean competition is better for the NA scene in the long run. If NA pros want to stay top notch, the bar today was set by Alicia, TheSTC, Crank, and Oz.
And honestly, if foreigners want to stand any chance at winning the whole thing, the real bar was set this last week in Code S by Roro, Taeja, Flash, Symbol, etc. I don't think it would be outrageous to say those Code S players are another level above the NA qualifiers today.
Complaining that foreigners might stand a better chance or would have a better pro scene if they didn't know how high that bar is, IMO is ignorant. Sports is a meritocracy and fans ultimately want to see the highest quality of competition. Foreign players who want to get there should constantly be exposed to that level and pressure of play.
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