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Vatican City State582 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:48 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience. for one, first hots event or second or Nth, it would not have mattered.. it doesn't change the fact that top koreans bring more viewers compared to top EU/NA players though, does it? Congratulations on being one of the most irritatingly smug posters on TL
Congratulations on not being able to prove your point and having to resort to personal attacks 
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Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:43 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:41 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:24 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. That was the best and most entertaining tournament I have ever watched. doesn't sound exciting at all.. start watching some GSL or SPL man I watch all SC2 leagues. so... you've watched GSL and SPL, MLG...etc., and yet you think EU qualifiers was "the best and most entertaining tournament you've ever watched......ok....... lmao
Oh pull the 'personal attack' card after trashing somebody else's viewing preferences.
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Sad day for the american scene 
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Here's a question, did you actually watch the EU qualifiers?
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Patchraeus #1 to qualify, he only has to beat zenio/jd demuslim then revival, totally easy for SEA pride
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Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:53 EZSkull wrote:
Here's a question, did you actually watch the EU qualifiers?
Not sure who that's directed at but I did, and enjoyed them for the most part of what I saw
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On April 21 2013 15:56 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:53 EZSkull wrote:
Here's a question, did you actually watch the EU qualifiers? Not sure who that's directed at but I did, and enjoyed them for the most part of what I saw
Sorry forgot to quote the guy, was directed at the person who were engaging with
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I can't really wrap my head around NA players complaining about only koreans qualifying for WCS NA.
All of the koreans left in the qualifier are on non-korean teams ( even all NA teams ?).
So either the teams think that is a good idea to have koreans in the WCS NA or they dont care about their own player as long as they are not korean.
I don't think koreans should have been invited to the WCS NA, but complaining about koreans and have your own koreans qualifying is pretty hypocritical in my opinion.
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I just hope they don't mess up the system too much.
As long as I can watch the high level play then I am fine with it.
The GSTL Ax-Acer vs. FXOpen GSTL really showed how exciting SC2 games can be, those TvT were just AMAZING along with gameheart zoomed out.
I really don't want the lesser players get matched up with a player way better just because they are at a weaker region. I want an equal skilled high level player bringing me good games. They personalities etc won't make the game anymore exciting than my friends playing against eachother...
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On April 21 2013 16:00 Barta wrote:
I can't really wrap my head around NA players complaining about only koreans qualifying for WCS NA.
All of the koreans left in the qualifier are on non-korean teams ( even all NA teams ?).
So either the teams think that is a good idea to have koreans in the WCS NA or they dont care about their own player as long as they are not korean.
I don't think koreans should have been invited to the WCS NA, but complaining about koreans and have your own koreans qualifying is pretty hypocritical in my opinion.
You can't blame teams for doing what is best for their sponsors and players.
You can blame organizers for making a terrible rule-set.
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I noticed something weird in these qualifiers. If I'm not mistaken, Xenocider played in the qualifier even though he is just 15 years old? There was supposed to be an age limit of 16 right? It's pretty weird that they let him play in the qualifier and for example Heromarine wasn't allowed to play the EU qualifier. I'm not saying that Xeno is bad and doesn't deserve the spot on the qualifier, he does. But so did Heromarine, being one of the best European Terrans with a pretty good chance of qualifying. I'm saying that if there is an age limit, hey should stick to it, and not make too many exceptions (Maru is acceptable). In the end, he took a place of someone else in the qualifier. Maybe one of the Chinese who got left out would have made it.
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On April 21 2013 16:02 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:00 Barta wrote:
I can't really wrap my head around NA players complaining about only koreans qualifying for WCS NA.
All of the koreans left in the qualifier are on non-korean teams ( even all NA teams ?).
So either the teams think that is a good idea to have koreans in the WCS NA or they dont care about their own player as long as they are not korean.
I don't think koreans should have been invited to the WCS NA, but complaining about koreans and have your own koreans qualifying is pretty hypocritical in my opinion. You can't blame teams for doing what is best for their sponsors and players. You can blame organizers for making a terrible rule-set.
Not arguing the rule-set isn't terrible as it is now, but if they made it residential locked the same player would qualify. Making it only accessible by player born in NA/SA would be even more terrible than it is now
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Basically Who I expected to make it through.
And isn't it Looking Exciting!?!
So what are peoples predictions for who will win the actual events?
WCS South Korea?
WCS American Korea (also known as Korea B-teamer version)?
WCS Europe (+ a handful of Koreans )?
& who will win the overall thing?
I cant wait until next year when we have WCS in Koreastralia, and South East Korea as well, And this is Great! I think with how disadvantaged Korean players are they simply can't always be expected to be able to compete on the highest level, and they clearly need these tournaments so they don't have to be pressured into putting in effort to make money as a progamer.
I mean isn't it obvious they are disadvantaged! You know how they're lacking the infrastructure, financial backing or legitimacy to be a progamer as a career. I mean if only they were surrounded by the best players in the world that speak the same language as them. If only they had teams & teamhouses that provided for their needs so they weren't all forced to have part time jobs(to survive) as a progamer on top of school obligations...
Oh Wait.
I have absolutely nothing against the Korean players in general. Merely the select few acting like spoiled children that were whining about WCS & switching regions.
I don't think is far fetched to expect these players to fall behind the top esf players competing in WCS korea + kespa players, when its clear they don't have the motivation despite all the benefits they have... there's no way they'll keep up with the likes of flash, innovation, etc. And hell, if they don't change their attitudes and if the foreigner scene ever catches up in skill, I daresay most of their careers will be over for good.
Anyways...
I won't be watching WCS America. It is far too obvious that MLG just wants Korean players for the higher viewership. And honestly i normally wouldn't care, I didn't care until they decided they were going to treat non-Koreans as second class citizens; From Inviting Korean players into the tournament over the likes of Demuslim and other highly skilled foreigner pros, to going so far as to kick Chinese players from the qualifiers. And hell as minor as it is they so far didn't even have the decency to care when CatZ & other foreigners lost to a known hacker. This and everything else they've managed to fuck up so far; its too much. This qualifier is a joke, and I wont be surprised when WCS America is just as much of a joke as well.
At least WCS EU is looking legitimately decent, & of course WCS Korea/gsl code s has been great so far & always is.
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I really hope that the remaining 4 spots will also be taken by Koreans, and the majority of low skill NA players invited to Premier for season 1 will be knocked out, so that in Season 2 there will be 25+ Koreans.
Maybe then Blizzard will reconsider this WCS system that made GSL and OSL merely a qualifiers with just a 20K$ prize for the winner.
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I thought it was pretty entertaining, kinda sucks that the Koreans won like everybody expected by at-least they are from American organizations. I hope demuslim can pull through tommorow
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On April 21 2013 15:40 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience. for one, first hots event or second or Nth, it would not have mattered.. it doesn't change the fact that top koreans bring more viewers compared to top EU/NA players though, does it?
Hots was the thing that half people watched. Say few more tournaments where korean only tournament have got more viewers than wsc eu
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On April 21 2013 16:11 MarineFTW wrote:
I really hope that the remaining 4 spots will also be taken by Koreans, and the majority of low skill NA players invited to Premier for season 1 will be knocked out, so that in Season 2 there will be 25+ Koreans.
Maybe then Blizzard will reconsider this WCS system that made GSL and OSL merely a qualifiers with just a 20K$ prize for the winner.
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Go go. Korea fighting!!! Uhh I mean N/A....
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