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Northern Ireland26085 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU.
You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table?
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I sincerely hope that WCS NA is 100% Korean. It will show what a stupid ass decision blizzard made when they took over everything and made the NA and KR scene even. Hopefully if it is a full on Korean roflstomp, next season will feature a much greater GSL prize pool so that Koreans actually have an incentive to stay in Korea to compete.
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Was this being streamed?
If so... I missed it. 
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NA qualifier?
You mean Korean qualifier #2
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I love how some people will call use the "fan boys" to talk down on people who are fans of certain players while being fan boys themselves.. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, this is pot.
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On April 21 2013 15:28 MrSexington wrote:Was this being streamed? If so... I missed it.
I guess it was.
Follwing (many) MLG streams and wasn't following "WCS_america."
So many streams. Stick to 1 or 2?
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On April 21 2013 15:28 MrSexington wrote:Was this being streamed? If so... I missed it.
you didnt miss that much, dont worry...
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On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table?
If top Koreans bring more viewers than top Europeans then doesn't that just prove my point? I know it had the HotS thing going for it as well but at the very least this MLG proved that people don't actively turn off a stream when it becomes all Korean. At least not a significant amount.
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On April 21 2013 15:16 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:05 xiaomajia wrote:
The Chinese player FruitBasket was a amateur, but got replaced by a Chinese progamer during the tournament. Looking forward to see how MLG will deal about this. Can you provide more details? What exactly do you mean? Someone smurfed on his account?
At the beginning of the tournament, a Chinese amateur "FruitBasket" get into the bracket, played first round himself and 2:1 win,then he posted the result on Chinese forum(http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-1114030-1-2.html).
But after that, because many Chinese progamer have not get into the bracket(check this post:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408776), "FruitBasket" gave his account to a Chinese progamer, let him have a chance to play in this tournament.
tl;dr: the FruitBasket who is playing in the tournament now is not the same person who checked in at the beginning of the tournament. MLG can make a comparison between the first round's replay and the latest replays, then they will know the answer.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table?
so...
that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players..
what was your point again?
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SC2 reality is that it's 2/3 to like 3/4 of the players about Koreans..
Ofcourse I won't make much fuss about all the EG Koreans and some of the others like that that stayed quite a bit long on the NA soil, like Violet for example..
Like - If you ask me personally - I see Violet as a NA player more than Korean.., and although he's Korean - the guy speaks English perfectly and the guy even was on the ChanmanV's show once.. Like - that guy's a NA for me TBH..
But Blizz played this one poorly..
What they should've done is make different number of spots qualify from different regions..
Like - say for example:
Korea - 13,
EU - 6,
NA - 5,
SEA - 4,
AUS - 2,
SA - 2
That way you'd get a decent ratio of players from around the world
Something like that if y know what I mean, and THEN maybe allow the players to pick their region of interest (under the condition that they've been/lived more than say 6 months or a year on that soil) or decide where they have the highest chances for for winning a spot..
This way it was just a bad organisation.. Really weird and really bad..
Like - I agree that those were mainly foreigner-team Korean players and Nestea as Artosis once said, still - it'd have been much better that way IMO.. And much more fair too while still giving enough hopes for the foreigners (especially for like NA for example, that way half of those Koreans that are on the NA roster currently now would've been fighting on the Korean scene if you'd ask me)..
And yeah finally - Axiom (these probably should've been on EU tbh - it's a UK-owner team) and EG have like 13 Koreans in total which is quite a lot TBH.. I mean there should've been sth like a max number of Korean players per team, but that's something to be discussed some other time though
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Northern Ireland26085 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again?
It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience.
for one, first hots event or second or Nth, it would not have mattered..
it doesn't change the fact that top koreans bring more viewers compared to top EU/NA players though, does it?
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:41 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:26 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:24 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. That was the best and most entertaining tournament I have ever watched. doesn't sound exciting at all.. start watching some GSL or SPL man I watch all SC2 leagues.
so... you've watched GSL and SPL, MLG...etc., and yet you think EU qualifiers was "the best and most entertaining tournament you've ever watched......ok....... lmao
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On April 21 2013 15:40 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience. for one, first hots event or second or Nth, it would not have mattered.. it doesn't change the fact that top koreans bring more viewers compared to top EU/NA players though, does it?
Actually MLG admitted that Idra vs. Boxer brought in more viewers.
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On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience.
WCS EU vs WCS World isn't exactly a fair comparison either. It appeals to the same type of viewer (the one that wants to watch mostly foreigners) and WCS World had less of the most famous/best foreigners and worse production. The fair thing to compare would be GSL numbers which we unfortunately don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if the actual highest viewed things of last year were the GSL finals not including Sniper vs Hyun. Specifically Parting vs Life, MVP vs Squirtle and MVP vs Life. I bet those drew a gigantic amount of viewers.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:44 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience. for one, first hots event or second or Nth, it would not have mattered.. it doesn't change the fact that top koreans bring more viewers compared to top EU/NA players though, does it? Actually MLG admitted that Idra vs. Boxer brought in more viewers.
Actually, Life vs Flash broke viewer count......
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On April 21 2013 15:24 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You missed out man. The games were fucking awesome. Especially Stephano vs Lucifron and Grubby vs Nerchio. That was the best and most entertaining tournament I have ever watched.
I still need to watch WCS EU, lol. I honestly didn't even care about it up until I saw how everyone continued to rave about how good it was.
For the most part foreigners lost a lot of appeal to me when it became increasingly obvious that Koreans were only continuing to pull ahead. Yeah a good storyline can still pull me in, like say, Minigun vs Idra, Thorzain vs Naniwa, Lucifron vs Vortix etc. But I'd much rather just watch the better players at this point. The underdog story is cool every now and then (Thorzain winning Dreamhack), but sadly, I think we all know there's almost no foreigner that can consistently put up a fight against top Koreans except for Stephano and probably Scarlett currently. This cheapens foreign competition to me.
I'm kind of used to not having the US represented at the top. Hell, even back during the good old late 2010- early 2011 days we mainly just had Idra (the best foreigner) fighting for national pride. The NA region in general was always pretty scarce in the really good players sadly. So eventually I came to just appreciate the Koreans and over time found my own stories in that scene to have the best of both worlds.
Also, the whole personality thing about Koreans is a load of bullshit. Foreigners are just as awkward and uncharismatic as most Koreans. Never understood why people complain about "faceless" Koreans. Hell, aside from Incontrol I'd say MC has more charisma and fan-appeal than any foreigner out there. Thankfully, that's not the main reason I watch sc2.
Honestly, it's to the point where I'd much rather watch Nestea win WCS NA than any of the foreigners present. Big change from how I felt back in 2011.
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Northern Ireland26085 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:40 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:37 dacimvrl wrote:On April 21 2013 15:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad. WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about. You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans. There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play. MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU. You mean the MLG which was one of the first big tournaments to play HoTS, and had Flash in it, with all the interest he, Innovation, Life etc bring to the table? so... that essentially proves top koreans bring more viewers than EU/NA players.. what was your point again? It's disingenuous to use the first truly stacked HoTS tournament numbers to validate a point, while disregarding the impressive numbers WCS pulled in when for many WoL was a stagnant experience. for one, first hots event or second or Nth, it would not have mattered.. it doesn't change the fact that top koreans bring more viewers compared to top EU/NA players though, does it?
Congratulations on being one of the most irritatingly smug posters on TL
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